Talk:Cardinal of Portugal's Altarpiece

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@DilletantiAnonymous: From what I can understand of the Italian article, this painting was not entirely the work of Antonio del Pollaiolo, with at least parts of it being attributed to his brother Piero. Do you have any more information you could add about the provenance of the painting? (I notice that the Commons category for this work lists both Antonio and Piero as the creators.) – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 04:16, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose the correct title to this article is "Cardinal of Portugal Altarpiece", since you translated "cardinale" and "pala". "Del Portogallo" in Italian means "from Portugal". JMdosPerais 06:17, 24 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GualdimG (talk • contribs)

Changed. Johnbod (talk) 02:10, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the
  Cardinal of Portugal's altarpiece of c. 1466 has always been in Florence
  ? Source: coming
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Agreement on Textiles and Clothing
  • Comment: working on better hook....

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 03:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Cardinal of Portugal's altarpiece; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

• Currently reviewing. el.ziade (talkallam) 16:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks! I hope to have a better hook within 24 hours. Johnbod (talk) 16:56, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I went over the sources, everything checks out. The article is interesting, neutral and copyvio-free, the used image is clear and free. I thought maybe the following suggestions could be helpful for coming up with or choosing a hook.

Did you know that the Altarpiece for the Cardinal of Portugal's chapel, painted by Antonio and Piero del Pollaiuolo in c. 1466, features early Italian landscapes influenced by Early Netherlandish painting?

... that the Altarpiece for the Cardinal of Portugal's chapel, now in the Uffizi Gallery, uses linseed oil in its painting technique, a relatively uncommon method in Italy during its creation?

That the Altarpiece for the Cardinal of Portugal's chapel showcases a collaborative effort between Antonio and Piero del Pollaiuolo, but recent re-attributions by art historians raise questions about the true authorship?

... that the Altarpiece for the Cardinal of Portugal's chapel, painted by Antonio and Piero del Pollaiuolo, depicts Saints Vincent, James the Great, and Eustace, all clothed in rich and fashionable attire?

... that the Altarpiece for the Cardinal of Portugal's chapel, created for the funerary chapel of Cardinal James of Portugal, features an intricate gilded wood frame by Giuliano da Maiano? el.ziade (talkallam) 07:29, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Ok, sorry again for the delay (I'm having trouble getting on to JSTOR, part of the reason, also just a busy time). How about (links & refs to be added):
• ALT1 ... that the
  Cardinal of Portugal's altarpiece
  commemorates a prince who fought in a battle at 14 and died at 25? (battle needs adding to text)
• ALT2 ... that the
  Cardinal of Portugal's altarpiece was largely paid for by his aunt, the Duchess of Burgundy, and the landscape reflects influence from Early Netherlandish painting
  ?
• ALT3 ... that influences on the
  Cardinal of Portugal's altarpiece include both Early Christian mosaics from Ravenna and contemporary Early Netherlandish painting
  ?
• What do you think of these? Johnbod (talk) 03:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Overall: Thanks for the hooks! We can't use the first alternative if its not substantiated in the article. You didn't provide sources for the other so I will do it for you. ALT2 is supported by (Richardson, 459-460)(Koch, 527)(Ames-Lewis, 199–202, 201). ALT3 (Koch, 551,527)(Ames-Lewis, 199–202, 201). Do you still want to work on ALT1 and add the battles part to the article? el.ziade (talkallam) 20:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Sorry again for the delay. This source covers his capture in the battle (much more on the preceding pages), & I've added to the text. So ALT1 is now covered - I think this is the best. Johnbod (talk) 04:34, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Everything checks out now, save a qpq review. Thanks Johnbod. el.ziade (talkallam) 08:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • el.ziade, is there a problem with the QPQ review linked to at the top of this nomination (Template:Did you know nominations/Agreement on Textiles and Clothing)? I've struck the original hook; please specifically confirm, when you're ready to approve this nomination, which hooks you're approving. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:22, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry I completely missed it. I’m more inclined to the third hook. ALT2 also works. Everything checks out then.el.ziade (talkallam) 22:31, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]