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"Minogue ventured into music during her time on the show, and after starring in the 1989 movie The Delinquents, Minogue decided to leave Neighbours to concentrate on her music career.[7] In 2005, Neighbours celebrated its 20th Anniversary and it was reported that Minogue had been invited to film a cameo in the special 20th anniversary episode.[8] It was further reported that while Minogue was willing to film an appearance as Charlene, the producers had rejected her offer.[8] However, in a statement from Grundy Television, the producers claimed that they had made "every effort to effort to accommodate Minogue" and that their offer was declined.[8]"

It says after starring in the 1989 film she decided to leave, but she left on-screen the previous year. Is it a mistake or?RAIN the ONE (Talk) 14:37, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The film was released in 1989, but she filmed it in 1988. Shall we remove the date, to make it sound better? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 14:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It could read

"Minogue ventured into music during her time on the show, and in 1988 after filming the movie The Delinquents, Minogue decided to leave Neighbours to concentrate on her music career."

Something like that.. I think other people will get confused if they are not familiar with Kylie.RAIN the ONE (Talk) 15:37, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it! - JuneGloom07 Talk? 15:40, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've just edited it, does it read better now? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chapter two in this book has many development quotes. LinkRAIN..the..ONE ^HOTLINE 23:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[1] - Jan Russ describes casting Charlene and Scott. Wedding filming info. (Interesting hugh jackman thing there too).

• [2] - Could use that for their wedding clip being shown in 2005.RaintheOne ^BAM 05:12, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Despite what this article claims, Skyways was not a children's series. It aired at 9.30 pm, carried an 'Adults Only' rating, and had storylines involving prostitution, affairs, impotence, rape, kidnapping, self-immolation, drug use, drug smuggling, gay male characters, lesbian characters, shower stabbing murders, full frontal nudity, sexually transmitted infections, and the inflight food poisoning of all who had the fish meal. I know Digital Spy claims Skyways was a children's show. They are mistaken. Format (talk) 04:16, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the sentence. - JuneGloom Talk 16:38, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why is removing the picture of Kylie Minogue harmless? Adding it reduces chances of readers to browse the article of Kylie just for a picture. --George Ho (talk) 02:55, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I changed "robber" to "burglar" in the interest of using correct legal terminology. 58.110.97.248 (talk) 04:39, 21 April 2014 (UTC)Geoffrey Hilliard[reply]

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Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 17:16, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

G'day. I've seen this on

My initial thoughts are is that the article is quite complete, and is an obvious spinout candidate from the main Kylie article (whose post-Neighbours career is nothing short of incredible). Most of the sources look acceptable from an initial glance, though I'd avoid tabloid stuff like the Daily Mirror. The article might be a bit lop-sided towards plot details, though to be fair some of it is sourced back to production and character development ideas, putting the Scott-Charlene relationship at the centrepiece of the show. I haven't seen any facts that leap out as contradicting with my personal memory, although I was expecting a mention of Angry Anderson who sang the song during that wedding episode.

Specific comments will follow. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:16, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

• Might be worth explaining who Jan Russ is?  Done
• "Charlene was portrayed as feisty, quick tempered, outspoken and a tomboy." - suggest "Charlene was portrayed as a feisty, quick tempered and outspoken tomboy"  Done
• I think a number of "Charlene"s in the second paragraph can be simplified as "her"  Done
• ""Episode 523", which was broadcast on 1 July 1987" - perhaps "first broadcast" would be better, as countries outside Australia didn't see it until later  Done
• "concentrate on her burgeoning music career" - I'd suggest removing "burgeoning", I think her career was pretty successful as of early 1988, though it did plateau a bit later before increasing again  Done
• "on 26 July 1988" - don't need the "1988" as we already know which year from earlier in the sentence  Done
• "calling her inspirational, beloved and one of the most popular Neighbours characters" - I'm not sure about this, which critics said it? Probably best to just say "Critical reaction to the character has been positive" and leave it at that. (Although the body, under "Critical reception", says reception has "mostly" been positive.  Done

Creation and casting

• "After Neighbours moved to Network Ten" - worth briefly mentioning it was previously on Seven before being dropped?  Done
• The Daily Mirror quotation from Jan Russ is problematic. We don't generally trust the Mirror to be an acceptable source, so can we be absolutely sure that Russ really did think Kylie was "shy as a mouse" when she joined?

The Mirror does appear to be the only place that quote is available. I looked through various archives and can't find it anywhere else. If it's going to prevent the article from becoming a GA I'll remove it, and maybe try to find something else from Russ.

Well it's not a source I would prefer to use, but that doesn't mean it can't be totally excluded. If it is a specific quotation in popular culture that the tabloids are likely to focus on, then that instance I think it could be defended if it cannot be sourced anywhere else. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:38, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Do we know why Minogue's contract was only a week, and why it was extended (presumably in the latter case due to immediate popularity)?

I haven't found any further details on this. Like you, I suspect it was due to her popularity. I will have another look through the books though just in case there is something I've missed. - JuneGloom Talk 19:42, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Backstory and characterisation

• "When she was a teenager, Charlene drank alcohol, fell pregnant to her first boyfriend and had an abortion" - okay, this is a fictional character, so
  WP:BLP
  doesn't apply, but is it essential to mention all these things here up front?

Relationship with Scott Robinson

• "Minogue ended up connecting with Donovan for real during the take" - what do you mean by "connecting with"? Changed.  Done
• "Scott and Charlene had problems during their first 12 months together and they broke up several times." - this sentence would probably fit better at the start of the following paragraph.  Done
• "her husband gave her a friendship ring, Scott went out and bought a friendship ring" - can we reword one of these "friendship ring"s?  Done
• "Donovan commented that Scott loved Charlene and seeing her in danger" - I understand what you mean but this could be mis-interpreted as "Scott loved seeing Charlene in danger", which is obviously not the case! This could do with being reworded  Done
• "The actor" - presumably this means Jason Donovan, "Donovan" would be better to be consistent with the rest of the article  Done
• "she "becomes very excited" about the idea of getting married" - shouldn't that be "became very excited"?  Done

• The Sunday Age source states the church in Doncaster where Scott and Charlene's marriage took place later became a minor tourist attraction - would that be worth working into the article somewhere?

I think it might work in the reception section, I'll try it there first. - JuneGloom Talk 19:50, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Marital problems

• "Scott was the first to cheat when he kissed Jane Harris" - now I do remember this, it was a very gradual thing but I can remember watching Charlene going absolutely ballistic, smashing a painting and yelling her head off. Quite scary really.
• I seem to recall Charlene's Mini Clubman was called "Willy" (as in "Willy ever go, or won't he")

Storylines

• This section seems to duplicate most of the "Development" section above. I don't mind whether you want to mix the general plotline with the decisions to write storylines and character development, or whether to keep the plot and rationale behind it separate entities, but either way that needs to be resolved.

I was hugely tempted to do away with this section altogether. Since I've got my books out, I'll see if I can source some of her other storylines and maybe mention them in development instead. - JuneGloom Talk 21:20, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the storylines section, replacing it with a new section in Development. - JuneGloom Talk 03:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

• "The following year" - this links back to the "1987 Logie Awards", which I think it a mistake  Done
• "She also won the Most Popular Personality On Victorian Television and Most Popular Actress awards" - what makes these awards important (particularly compared to Logie Awards)?

Sorry, they are Logie awards. Clarified.

• "In 1989, Minogue's final year on Neighbours" - we've been told earlier her final year was 1988  Done
• "A writer for the BBC's official Neighbours website" - just "The BBC's official Neighbours website" will do  Done
• Charlene most memorable moment was "her wedding to Scott and punching Scott in the face during their first meeting." - that's two (rather polarising) moments!  Done
• "A reporter for the Belfast Telegraph" - as before, just "The Belfast Telegraph" will do here. (This "A journalist for 'x', a writer for 'y' problem appears in several other places)  Done
• The Belfast Telegraph source in question is a dead link

Unfortunately, this hasn't been archived, so I've removed it.

• "While a journalist for The Independent said Minogue's" - this sentence doesn't have a finite verb, it can probably simply join onto the preceeding one  Done
• "A reporter for BBC News noted that Charlene was one of Neighbours' most popular characters." - the report puts the character in a positive light, but it does not explicitly say it was one of the most popular

It says she became one of the most popular characters, so I've updated that. - JuneGloom Talk 21:58, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• "Hilary Kingsley (Soap Box)" - what does this mean?  Done

Images

• The infobox image could do with a caption explaining its relevance to the article.  Done
• I wonder if we could find a picture of the church used for Scott and Charlene's wedding? There tends to be a proliferation of free images for public buildings on Commons, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's one floating around that could be added to the article.

There is a picture, but it's not great - File:Anglican church at Doncaster1.jpg. I could put it in the reception section, where I've put the church info. What do you think? - JuneGloom Talk 22:13, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, let's go with that, with a caption explaining briefly how it relates to the character and its minor tourist attraction status. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:11, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Summary

• I can't think of anything else to add for the moment. I think all of the above issues look resolvable within a week, so I'll put the review on hold now, pending improvements. I see you're on vacation, so I'm happy to wait for longer to get things resolved - there's no rush from my end. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:34, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for the review. I promise I'll start addressing the points raised soon. I'm on holiday at the moment until Tuesday, so I should be able to start either that evening or Wednesday. - JuneGloom Talk 22:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@JuneGloom07: - What's the status at the moment? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:12, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies. I got distracted by the news that Neighbours were bringing back some former cast members for the 30th anniversary next year - including Des Clarke, whose article was seriously lacking development info. I've worked through the majority of the points you raised this evening. - JuneGloom Talk 21:59, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, Des - because the UK were about 18 months behind Australia, we knew that Daphne was going to get killed off for about a year before it happened (largely because I think Elaine Smith came over to the UK and appeared on prime time talk shows some time after she left) so when it happened, nobody batted an eyelid ... anyway, coming back to this article, the only outstanding issue is the church picture. There is the question I raised about some of the backstory stuff, but having read a few more Neighbours GAs, I think I'm comfortable in saying that a typical reader will expect such over-the-top things to happen in soaps, so it doesn't really appear out of the ordinary. I've taken care of the church picture myself, so I'm now happy to pass the review as I believe the article now meets the GA criteria. Well done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:18, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for all your help and for passing the article! - JuneGloom Talk 16:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No problems - was interesting to uncover a patch of my life that I'd completely forgotten about, yet it was surprising what was tucked away in my memory. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:41, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/kylie-minogue-reveals-why-she-passed-on-reviving-her-role-as-neighbours-character-charlene/story-e6frfmyi-1227255341163? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AusSoaps (talk • contribs) 06:23, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kylie visited Pin Oak Court (Ramsay Street) during her 60 Minutes interview last year [3] [4]. Can this be included in the article? AusSoaps (talk) 00:05, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What has this to do with Charlene though? Minogue visited the street, not the character. It's probably better suited to Minogue's article, although I'm not sure if it would be considered important enough. I think the couple of sentences we already have about the 30th anniversary are enough, we don't want to give a non-existent return

undue weight. - JuneGloom07 Talk 03:07, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply

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