Talk:Chevauchée

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Examples of simlilar tactics belong in "scorched earth" article

Sherman's march through Georgia seems like another, more modern example? Jackrepenning 16:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is an example of the general practice of destroying anything that might be useful to the enemy while advancing through or withdrawing from an area. That practice is commonly referred to as "scorched earth tactics", and the article on that subject includes a reference to Sherman's March to the Sea among its many examples from throughout history. The present article deals with the particular, medieval tactic called "chevauchée" and should not be cluttered with examples of similar tactics from other ages. The "See also" section now contains a link to the scorched earth article to provide historical perspective. --Bwiki 00:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Historian Mark Grimsley has interpreted Sherman's scorched-earth tactics as a revival of the chevauchée. His argument can be found in Grimsely's influential study The Hard Hand of War. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 23:54, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Editorializing

75.36.74.73 wrote: This is one type of terrorism adopted later by the new world to over take their enemies "without them being the cause of the attack.". I can't figure out what it means. It sounds like perhaps a garbled translation from another language? As it stands it doesn't make sense so I will remove it unless an explanation is forthcoming. -- Securiger 12:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To the extent that it makes sense, it is editorializing, very biased and thus unencyclopedic. I removed it. --Bwiki 00:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article is daunting to look at, let alone read. Let's add pictures and break up the wall into some smaller sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.187.52 (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2007

First used during the second war of Scottish Independence?

Edward Balliol and Edward III may well of used such tactics in Scotland, but the sacking of the Northern counties of England following Bannockburn, by the Scots, predates that entirely, the

Weardale campaign of Sir James Douglas and the Earl of Moray, or William Wallace's 1297 incursion into Cumbria being cases in point. Think a little less anglocentricism, and bit more balance needs to be introduced here. Brendandh (talk) 12:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply

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I think the issue is really about the article subject. The idea of making war by launching raids into an enemy's territory is a commonplace in medieval warfare. The term chevauchee, however, seems to come from the the HYW. A stronger section on origins, which would include the Scottish examples because they are instrumental in the development of this style of fighting by the English on the continent, would be a good move. Monstrelet (talk) 18:20, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Paul B (talk) 17:57, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that Chevauchée be merged with Raid (military). Besides, the article confusingly uses a list of synonyms — cavalgada/cabalgada, ghazwa, razzia, fondado, and algara — that all fit under the heading of "military raid." Sorting out the distinctions is probably best done in Raid (military). The definition of a chevauchée appears not to be fixed throughout its eight centuries of use, but it can always be described as a type of raid. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 19:16, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merger Chevauchée was a specific type of raid carried out over a well defined period. It was far closer to Sherman's March to the Sea than what is usually described as a raid also this is a far more developed article than Raid (military) and I for one if looking for or linking to Chevauchée would not expect to be taken to an article that includes such things as World War II commando raids and English and American civil war cavalry raids. -- PBS (talk) 14:15, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As PBS says, Chevauchee is a well developed article on a distinct type of warfare. Raid (Military) is a catch all conceptual piece. It is of the type of wikipedia article that covers a field and refers to more detailed main articles (like Chevauchee) to provide detailed coverage. The article would collapse if it tried to cover in detail the types of raid it mentions now in detail. Monstrelet (talk) 10:36, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Perhaps this article needs a new lead. Chevauchée is defined here as a type of warfare distinct from siege or invasion ("conquest"), carried out for a wide range of military purposes. In other words, it's the same as raiding. Put another way, what kinds of raid could not be considered a chevauchée? — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 20:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An air raid, a commando raid, a trench raid to name but three, and in general any raid that took placed before or after the medieval period, or any raid not focusing on havoc (havoc in this context has a specific meaning hence "cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"). I think that you are being very selective in your quote, because you have totally ignored the first half of the sentence "Chevauchee ... was a raiding method of medieval warfare for weakening the enemy, focusing mainly on wreaking havoc, burning and pillaging enemy territory, in order to reduce the productivity of a region...". -- PBS (talk) 23:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Use dying out by 14th century?

The article claims the method dies out in the 14th Century. This does not seem accurate, as it was still in use in the 15th Century by English forces in France, and likely elsewhere. DaltonCastle (talk) 20:45, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it says it declined after the end of the 14th century but correctly identifies some continued use in the early 15th century. This seems an accurate statement of affairs Monstrelet (talk) 22:31, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]