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GA Review

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Reviewer: Reidgreg (talk · contribs) 13:43, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator: MollyMylo (talk · contribs)

I'm going to start working on the review, it may take a few days. Please hold any edits to the article until I'm done. Thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:43, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see this is your first GAN (and your first article!). The way this works, I'll make a thorough review against the
ping
|Reidgreg}} at the bottom of this page and let me know. Then I'll take a look at your changes to the article., reply to the discussion and/or answer questions. We take turns like that until we're both satisfied that the article meets the GA criteria.
I made some minor changes to the article, mostly reference cleanup and minor MOS/copyedit. If you disagree with any of that, we can discuss it as part of the review.
In the following review, I use talk page conventions with nested lists and a number of small icons. Let me know if you have trouble with the format.
Referencing is going to be stricter than in the normal GA criteria in order to meet
promotional language that might be found in some sources. I'll also look for copyright violations and attempt to suggest paraphrasing as needed. – Reidgreg (talk) 03:00, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (
    lists
    )
    :
    Some unencyclopedic and redundant language and a few clarity issues
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (
    reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism
    ):
    Some material failed verification and needs to be sourced or removed, a few copyvios that need to be paraphrased. Quite a bit is cited to primary sources (his own business website) which shhould be replaced with reliable secondary sources.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    Found a few minor things that could be added.
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    Found a couple disagreements among sources which should be addressed.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Additional images would be welcome.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    Failed due to complete unresponsiveness from nominator.

Review comments

Referencing & verifiability

Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association (sometimes Pro Rodeo Cowboys Association or PRCA): professional association, sanctions events, hall of fame. Reliable enough for purposes here.

Canadian Professional Rodeo Association (historically Canadian Rodeo Cowboys Association, website RodeoCanada.com sometimes Pro Rodeo Canada, magazine Canadian Rodeo News or Canadian Pro Rodeo News.)

  • "High Ride" "Canadian Pro Rodeo Records" – part of the 2014 CPRA Media Guide. Page 144.
    • He holds the highest-scored [bull] ride in Canadian Professional Rodeo Association (CPRA) history, scoring 95 points in 1983.Checked
    • That same year, [1983] Snyder made history by scoring the highest-scored bull ride in CPRA history. The historic 95-point ride on Northcott's #96 Confusion at the Canadian Finals Rodeo (CFR) in Edmonton, Alberta, still stands to this day. Okay except for the underlined parts. The CRHA source has #96 if you think that's important; otherwise suggest omitting the underlined points.unchecked box
      • Note that this source is only good for the record standing until 2014. See notes under Neutrality.
  • "CPRAchampions" "Canadian Professional Rodeo Association Champions 1945–2018". There was a duplicate of this reference; I named it and removed the redundant citation template.

Canadian Rodeo Historical Association. Looks to be an independent association though working closely with CPRA.

  • "2005 Inductees". This also appeared as the named references "CS CRHA" and "CPR HOF". I put these all together as "CRHA 2005 Inductees".
    • He is an inductee of the Canadian Pro Rodeo Hall of FameChecked
    • Snyder ended his career with four National Finals Rodeo qualifications in 1983, 1984, 1986, and 1987, and held the record at the time for the most Canadian Finals Rodeo qualifications for a bull rider with nine. Not found in source. I'm pretty sure this is in another of the article's references if you could check for it.unchecked box
    • Snyder now resides on a ranch west of
      WP:BLPNAME
      ). Since his wife is also his business partner, that should be okay.
    • 2005 Canadian Pro Rodeo Hall of Fame inducteeChecked
  • unnamed reference 2016 inductees.
    • That same year, Snyder made history by scoring the highest-scored bull ride in CPRA history. The historic 95-point ride on Northcott's #96 Confusion at the Canadian Finals Rodeo (CFR) This is good for #96 Confusion and shows the record still holds as of 2016. Some other parts still unsourced per above.

Professional Bull Riders (PBR, PBR.com)

Alberta Sports Hall of Fame

Bull Riding Hall of Fame, non-profit

Everything Cowboy – online source for rodeo news but also does event production/promotion.

  • "Cowboy of the Year" Top 10: The Greatest Bull Riders in Canadian History – written by the website's founder/owner/chief editor
    • Since his retirement in 1993, Snyder has produced over 400 bull riding events across North America under his company Bullbustin' Inc. He has also appeared as a color commentator for rodeo events on ESPN, OLN, Sportsnet, TSN, and CBC. This is good for the sports commentary. The underlined parts aren't in the source, but this is for the lead which doesn't need to be sourced so long as it is sourced in the body.unchecked box
    • 1994 Awarded Cowboy of the YearChecked
      • The source says this was awarded "by his peers" but do you know specifically how he was awarded this title? Which association bestowed it on him? Found in the Global News source that this was through a vote by fellow world champion bull riders. Please add something to indicate this; it can be in a footnote if you think it'd be too long for the list. (If you don't know how to do footnotes, just put it in parenthesis and I can take care of the coding.)unchecked box

Cody Snyder's Bullbustin', Inc. – primary source. There are eight citations to three Bullbustin webpages; it would be preferable to replace these or support them with

reliable secondary sources
.

Canadian Cowboys Association

Richard Beal's Blog – there seems to be no editorial oversight, though a substantial author biography here includes some self-published non-fiction books which are used as sources in other Wikipedia articles.

  • unnamed reference "PBR Ring Of Honor".
    • One year later at the age of 16, he won the Canadian Cowboys Association bull riding championship and obtained his official competitor cards to compete as a member of the Rodeo Cowboys Association (RCA) and the Canadian Rodeo Cowboys Association (CRCA). In the first source, enlarging the Canadian Cowboys Finals Champions graphic it has Cody Snyder under 1979 Bull Riding. The second source says he won this title "by 15" [years of age]. T�he underlined parts need to be better sourced.unchecked box

SaskToday

  • "Looking Back" interview with Snyder from July 1983
    • In 1982, when he was 19 years old, Snyder led the CPRA national bull riding standings and finished in 19th place in the PRCA bull riding world standings. Intending to build on his CPRA success the prior year, Snyder began the 1983 season with his sights set on making the National Finals Rodeo (NFR). Underlined portion not found in source.unchecked box

Calgary Herald

  • "Herald" via newspapers.com. I cleaned it up using {{
    cite newspaper
    }}
    .
    • In May 1993, just three months after his retirement, Snyder alongside his wife Rhonda co-founded Bullbustin' Inc., a professional bull riding production company. Together they produced the first standalone bull riding event in Canada at the Stampede Corral in Calgary, Alberta. Didn't find any of this in the source, which is from May 1994.unchecked box

According to Flint – podcast hosted by Flint Rasmussen, former barrelman

  • "Podcast" Youtube video. Interview with Snyder. 27:30. Aside from a little commentary by Flint, all primary source. We should be cautious for anything that's promotional.
    • Bullbustin' Inc. was also the first production company to incorporate pyrotechnics into their bull riding events, a feature that is widespread across rodeo today. There's a lot in the interview, but it's a primary source and a lot of it is too promotional to use. What we can use: Dislocating his shoulder in February 1993 at Fort Worth and retiring. Married Rhonda in 1990, moved from Medicine Hat to Calgary in 1993. Did their first show 6–7 May 93, began the Calgary Stampede in 1997. Their pyrotechnics were done by company Unreal Effects (spelling?). What we can't use: The first bullriding-only show in Canada, with all the top riders. The first use of pyrotechnics in rodeo. Raised $3M for charity. So need something else for first use of pyrotechnics in rodeo.unchecked box

National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum

  • unnamed reference PBR HOF Ring of Honor – Cody Snyder. Used with Bullbustin' About for:
    • Bullbustin' Inc. also produces various charity and private events that have been televised on
      WP:SYNTH
      ) and that's something we shouldn't do. With the present sources, you might write something like: Bullbustin' Inc. also produces various charity and private events.[ref1] Some of the events it has produced have been televised on major US networks and cable specialty channels.[ref2]

BanderasNEWS – news site in Puerto Vallarta

Global News – Canadian news channel, good RSS (reliable secondary source)

  • unnamed reference "Alberta's Snyder first Canadian named to Bull Riding Hall of Fame". 2023.and with

Canadian Cowboy Country Magazine

  • unnamed reference "In the Corral" 2009
    • Snyder was also selected as the team Canada coach for the PBR World Cup Series in 2007 (Gold Coast, Australia), 2008 (Chihuahua, Mexico), 2009 (Barretos, Brazil), and 2010 (Las Vegas, United States). According to PBR World Cup these were the only four events of the series. BanderasNews covers 2008, Chihuahua. Global News says five times including Australia, Brazil, Mexico [Chihuahua], and Las Vegas. CCC mag is good for Barretos, Brazil, and mentions two previous PBR World Cups in Mexico and Australia. All three describe Snyder as the "team captain", only CCC mag also describes him as the "coach", so might change that.unchecked box
      • This appears to have originally been taken from "Bullbustin About", verbatim. It should be restructured and rewritten. Suggest: Snyder served as captain of the Canadian team for all four years of the PBR World Cup series (2007–2010) contested between Australia, Brazil, Canada, Mexico and the United States.

Breadth & focus

SaskToday interview says he quit school in grade 11, got his pro card and went to work. I feel that his quitting school is probably important enough to mention.

The Global News piece could be cited for lots of additional information (just be sure that anything in quotes is from Snyder): the dislocated shoulder from his final ride in Fort Worth, Bull Riding Hall of Fame voted in by peers = world champion bull riders, trained with Dale Rose [whose practice pen was in the Medicine Hat area], the point in his early career where he started winning, the 95-point run still holding the record (January 2023), he competed in handmade shirts from this mother (perhaps not encyclopedic), parade in Medicine Hat after he won the world championship, met three US presidents, $3M raised for charities, halls of fame.

Additional sources (these are available via the Wikipedia Library for editors whose accounts have 6 months/500 edits, so you probably don't have access yet.):

Neutrality

Manual of Style

Layout: I feel that the subject has two clear careers: professional cowboy 1979–1993 and event producer 1993–2023. Given that the sections covering these two periods of his life are approximately the same size, I don't feel that we should overemphasize one career to the other. Suggest changing them appropriately, e.g.: Career → Cowboy career or Professional cowboy, and Retirement → Entrepreneur, Event producer or Rodeo producer.

Lead: I'm going to note that for the infobox, which is part of the lead, it should only have the defining characteristics and not try to fill every parameter (

MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE
). I moved the website (which is for Snyder's company, not Snyder himself) down to the bottom of the article as an external link.

Prose

  • He holds the highest-scored ride in Canadian Professional Rodeo Association (CPRA) history, scoring 95 points in 1983. If you don't feel it's too repetitive, I'd like that to be "bull ride" to avoid any question of ambiguity. I'd like to omit the word "history" which just seems to be there for emphasis. Suggest: He holds the highest-scored bull ride in the Canadian Professional Rodeo Association (CPRA), scoring 95 points in 1983.
  • and most recently the Bull Riding Hall of Fame. I feel that the underlined part could be removed as unnecessary, to keep the lead concise.
  • He has also appeared as a color commentator Use Canadian spelling and link
    colour commentator
    .
  • At five years old, he rode a calf in a local rodeo competition and has been involved in the sport ever since. Remove the underlined part as commentary. This and the sentence which follows it may have to be restructured if more material is added.
  • One year later at the age of 16, he won the Canadian Cowboys Association bull riding championship and obtained his official competitor cards to compete as a member of the Rodeo Cowboys Association (RCA) and the Canadian Rodeo Cowboys Association (CRCA).[9] Both organizations would be renamed as the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association (PRCA) in 1975, and the Canadian Professional Rodeo Association (CPRA) in 1980. Snyder turned 16 in 1979, after the 1975 name change so the underlined part can be omitted. It's a bit of a long sentence and might be split, but again should check on any information to be added first.
  • and finished in 19th place in the PRCA bull riding world standings Omit the underlined words for conciseness.
  • Intending to build on his CPRA success the prior year, Snyder began the 1983 season with his sights set on making the
    MOS:SURNAME). The rest has some extra words that could be trimmed. Suggest: Snyder performed at a special Presidential Command Performance Rodeo in Landover, Maryland, after which he was invited to the White House and met then-US President Ronald Reagan
    .
  • Snyder not only achieved his goal of qualifying for the 1983 NFR in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, but he ended up winning the PRCA bull riding world championship. Some unencylopedic langauge that could be trimmed. Suggest: Snyder qualified for the 1983 National Finals Rodeo (NFR) in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, where he won the PRCA bull riding world championship.
  • That same year, Snyder made history by scoring the highest-scored bull ride in CPRA history. The historic 95-point ride on Northcott's #96 Confusion at the Canadian Finals Rodeo (CFR) in Edmonton, Alberta, still stands to this day. Some repetitive or unencyclopedic language. Suggest: During that season, Snyder achieved a 95-point ride on Northcott's Confusion at the Canadian Finals Rodeo (CFR) in Edmonton, Alberta, a CPRA record which has not been broken as of 2023. You can render "as of 2023" with the template {{As of|2023}}, which will flag this with a hidden maintenance category if/when it needs to be updated. I would probably footnote Northcott's Confusion with some information about the bull, including its number 96.
  • I suggested changes to the Willie Nelson Wranglers paragraph with referencing, above.
  • In 1986, Snyder won the CPRA bull riding championship to conclude another successful rodeo season.[16] In 1987, he sustained a severe wrist injury, breaking his scaphoid bone at the CFR. The injury went undetected for the next five years, and in February 1992, Dr. J. Pat Evans diagnosed what would be Snyder's career-ending injury. After requiring three screws and a partial wrist fusion, Snyder took the rest of the 1992 rodeo season off to recover from surgery. The content might be changing due to sourcing or additions, but I will note problems with the underlined portions. The first one is unnecessary, as it will be understood that he had a successful season if he won the championship. With the second, the reader might mistake CFR as having something to do with the scaphoid bone. I'd move it to the beginning: At the 1987 CFR. I would also suggest a piped link: "breaking his scaphoid bone" to scaphoid fracture.
  • Snyder returned after his year long hiatus and started the 1993 season off at the
    Denver, Colorado
    , competing post-wrist surgery.
    Remove the underlined as redundant or unencyclopedic language.

Stability

No edit warring detected. Note that this is a very new article, moved to mainspace less than a month ago.

Media

One image: File:Cody Snyder Headshot.jpg, tagged as the nominator's own work and tagged with a CCSA release. Dated 2010, it's a really nice, clean, posed portrait.

The picture is so professional, and combined with

conflict of interest
, we can work with that, I've vetted such things in the past, there's just a couple extra steps involved.

Other areas to improve

General discussion

Okay, so there's a bit of work to do. I feel that there are enough sources to cover most of the content so that it sticks. Take your time with changes and, again, use {{

ping|Reidgreg}} here to get my attention when you're ready for me to go through your changes. I may be taking a couple days away from this to work on other things. – Reidgreg (talk) 03:00, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Due to unresponsiveness from the nominator, having waited more than four weeks since posting my review, I am failing this GAN. Feel free to renominate the article in the future after addressing the issues raised here. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]