Talk:David Lucas (composer)

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Don't Fear the Reaper" also wrote AT&T
's "Reach out and touch someone" jingle?
Current status: Delisted good article

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Reviewer: Rp0211 (talk2me) 23:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    B. It complies with the
    list incorporation
    :
  2. Is it
    source spot-check
    ?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
    the layout style guideline
    :
    B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it
    neutral
    ?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing
    edit war
    or content dispute:
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are
    copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content
    :
    B. Images are
    suitable captions
    :
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:


Infobox
  • No reference in article to validate birth date
Lead
Biography

Jingle writer

  • Also in the 1960s... – Get rid of "Also"
  • ...such as for Macleans Toothpaste... – Awkward phrasing
  • ...which led to an offer to write a song for National Airlines. – No source
  • Second paragraph has many consecutive sentences beginning with "In this year"; edit this prose
  • Earlier, while producing for a group called Think Dog, Lucas had met Tom McFaul, the group's lead singer, pianist, and composer. – No source
  • McFaul became a staff composer at David Lucas Associates in 1971. – No source
  • Situated in an old spice warehouse, they called it the Warehouse Recording Studio, and it hosted such artists as Paul McCartney... – Fix awkward phrasing
  • ...who used their studio to cut one of his albums.[9][20] – Specify album and year it was released in brackets
    All of the above have been addressed, except for the last one, since the sources do not provide that information. --Elonka 02:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Öyster Cult

  • ...for the new band... – Reword phrasing
  • "Reaper" became a huge hit, and is listed at #405 on the Rolling Stones list... – Add (') between "Rolling Stone" and "s"; use "number" instead of "#"
  • This choice became legendary when it was parodied by Christopher Walken in Saturday Night Live on April 8, 2000. – No source
    All of the above have been addressed. --Elonka 02:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Current projects

  • Specify details in chronological order
  • In 1998, Lucas sold the Warehouse (now owned by Wyclef Jean) and moved back to Miami where he built a studio and is continuing to write songs and jingles. – No source
  • In 2010, Lucas co-wrote a song with his son Jason Lucas, which was sung by actress Kyra Sedgwick for The Miracle Project of Hollywood to benefit autism. – Specify song title
  • Lisa Lucas, a well-known and award-nominated child actress in the 1970s, played "Addie Mills" in several CBS holiday specials, and became a journalist as an adult. – No source
    Prose modified, and sources added. --Elonka 02:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Awards
  • Combine all sentences in one paragraph
    Done. --Elonka 02:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Jingles
  • According to
    WP:EMBED
    , "In an article, significant items should normally be mentioned naturally within the text rather than merely listed." Put this information into a prose.
    Done. --Elonka 02:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
References
  • Reference 1 – Publisher is needed.
    • Sorry, I looked and couldn't find the problem here? The work was
      TIME magazine. --Elonka 02:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
      ]
  • Reference 2 – Since "Radio" is a magazine, it should be in the "work=" parameter and should also be italicized
  • References 3, 7, 19, 20, 21 – Link article to website
    • Not sure what is needed here? The articles were not web articles, but were located in library archives. --Elonka 02:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reference 4 – "Text and video clip" not needed
  • Reference 5 – "Press release" not needed
  • Reference 6 – How can a video be in a magazine?
  • References 10, 11, 12, 17, 28, 34, 35 – Not sure if these are a reliable sources
    • Agreed, but I don't believe that they are sourcing anything controversial, so they were included as primary sources. Are there any in particular that you have concerns about? --Elonka 02:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reference 27 – "Rolling Stone" is a magazine and should be italicized
  • Reference 36 – Wiki-link publisher
    ReverbNation.com
    • Good catch! Done. --Elonka 02:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Overall review

After thoroughly reviewing this article, I have found many issues keeping this article from good article status. There are several minor prose issues, which can be fixed easily. However, there are several areas in this article where there are not sources to validate this information, violating

WP:NOR. To put an article on hold, I usually give the nominator seven days to fix these issues. With the magnitude of the issues I have found, I have decided in good faith and to the best of my knowledge to fail the article at this time because I do not believe all of these issues can be fixed within the general seven days. Once you have addressed all of these issues, you are welcome to renominate this article again. Rp0211 (talk2me) 00:40, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
]

I very much appreciate the time that you took to review the article, and your detailed comments. I have addressed most of them, and have a very few questions on a couple items (listed above). Thanks again, --Elonka 02:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up

Hey, Elonka. I want to apologize for any inconvenience in this nomination process that has occurred and want to let you know that I was acting in good faith when deciding the outcome of this nomination initially. I am now going to look over these issues again to make sure everything meets good article status. Rp0211 (talk2me) 03:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Issues as of 05:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Despite these issues, the article is a very good article that is close to reaching good article status. Good job on fixing the issues I presented earlier. Rp0211 (talk2me) 05:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again for your assistance with this. I have addressed the changes in the lead (nice finds!), and added a few URLs to Billboard articles. Regarding the birthday, this was something that was provided by the subject himself, when I contacted him for photos. Per
WP:AUTO, it is my understanding that individuals who are the subjects of articles are allowed to provide certain basic information such as about their birth, employment status, current residence, etc., as long as it is not unduly self-serving, nor contradicted by other published sources. I have found nothing that contradicts the date, so felt it was better to include it on the subject's say-so, rather than have an article with "year of birth unknown". In any case, it's moot now, as the subject sent a copy of his driver's license to the WMF, who have confirmed the DOB on the talkpage.[1] So, there we go!  :) --Elonka 16:59, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply
]
Good find on verifying his date of birth. Since all of the issues have been addressed, I feel confident passing this article into good article status. Congratulations and keep up the good work! Rp0211 (talk2me) 18:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

David Lucas Birthday (WMF Office)

Hi - the Wikimedia Foundation has received official documentation as to the date of the subject's birth. While this is not verified in secondary sources, it has been our protocol to accept such information for dates of birth when provided. The information provided is: 21-April, 1937. For the Office: Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 15:56, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Reassessment

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This article has multiple issues which makes it unworthy of having GA status. I believe it would not meet the

talk) 16:31, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply
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I agree it does not meet GA standards. At one point, I made a significant pass-through to try to remove the most significant problems, but I could not remedy everything. As you say, Ikhtiar H, it would take significant effort to make the necessary improvements. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:12, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikhtiar H: I updated some of the references and fixed some typos. Besides fixing the references without titles and the dead links, would you like to detail your specific concerns so editors know what to work on? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:24, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So, I count at least 10 unsourced claims, which is pretty serious for a BLP. There's additionally a significant amount of material that feels like trivia and/or puffery (I don't really understand the sentence about the yacht on a grammatical level, let alone why it's encyclopedic?), and then, when we get all the way down to it, I have some concerns about whether there's even sufficient secondary source coverage to establish notability (beyond verifying currently unverified BLP details.) Trimming trivia and the related not-great sources may make that clearer tho. Innisfree987 (talk) 03:27, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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This page Still havet some source issues and I think it's safe to be delisted. ImmortalWizard(chat) 11:47, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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