Talk:Deaths in 2015

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Should "Deaths in 20xx" pages list manners of death (suicide, homicide, accident and natural), if known, in place of an unknown cause? This is not asking whether we should complement known causes ("suicide by hanging"). Just regarding standalone manners. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:32, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See the "Suicide: Cause?" section above for prior discussion (on Talk:Deaths in 2015, if you're reading this elsewhere.) InedibleHulk (talk) 00:44, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Suicides": yes, regardless of method. "Homicides": no, method required. "Natural causes": no, too broad. Generic "illness": see "Natural causes". Death by vehicle: traffic collision, unless by train/plane crash. Any listed "accidental" death causes are too Final Destination for me. Cars veering off roads, guns killing people, houses falling on witches are not "accidents". How many times does this discussion need broaching? It's all (if known) or nothing, in my opinion. Coming here to read people getting twisted on improper listings every day or so is aggravating. — Wyliepedia 05:56, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

By "Deaths in 20xx", I literally mean till 2099. Whatever most resembles consensus when this is done shall become law, and we can all settle into this theoretically perfect compromise for 84 years. Nice and simple. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:13, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. — Wyliepedia 08:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in favour of listing whatever the source says of the manner or cause. There is a big difference between dying a natural death, committing suicide and being murdered, and if all we have to go with is the manner, then I'd prefer it. At least when it comes to suicides, executions and murders. Nukualofa (talk) 16:42, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Suggestion Can we do this the standard bullets and boldvote way? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• No standalone manners The cause is the distinctive, important bit. When a reader reads "hanging", "kidney failure" or "gunshot to head", they get a (fairly) clear picture of what went down. Adding a manner can help make those clearer, but a manner alone is too vague, and likely to make more readers guess the wrong cause than the right, just for the abundance of possibilities. Suicide is no better than the others, in that regard. I'm OK with exceptions for euthanized horses, because sources seem to never say how that's done. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:15, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• List manner of hastened death such as suicide, execution or euthanasia, whether the exact cause is known or not. Such deaths are generally more noteworthy than deaths by illness or misadventure. We could add "homicide" to that list, but that is bound to bring on further argument about homicide v. murder (the latter being a legal decision and not just an act). In summary, I'm supporting what we do at the moment. WWGB (talk) 05:31, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• If it ain't broke, don't fix it. We get enough conflicting MODs here from several outlets, some of which cite Twits and FB, one of which is now an acceptable cite template. I say, as per all the hundreds of other past discussions, if there's vagueness of C/MOD to bring individual ones here for purview. The only ones I see that get removed/altered with regularity are "illness" and "accident". Seems stable to me. — Wyliepedia 07:18, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's broken insofar as the top of the page tells us to list causes, but some regulars regularly add some manners and remove some others. Steeped in tradition or something, I'm just looking to discern which (if any) are OK and which aren't, so we can accurately tell newer visitors what a typical entry includes. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Poorly formed RFC - No specific opinion - However, causes of death should be listed when known in enough detail to be informative, which is currently what we do. That is, "natural causes" is not a cause. Suicide or homicide is a cause, but the means of homicide should be listed. "Accident" is not a useful cause, but "car crash" is. What we do is all right. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:37, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide and homicide are not causes. They're manners, like natural or accident. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:38, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]