Talk:Derek Pattinson

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I have reverted to "he named Miln as his partner" rather than "Miln was named as..." because it reflects the fact that that is what Sir Derek described Miln as. People who are in Who's Who write their own entries (following a given format). He didn't have to name a partner at all. Indeed, given that he was a fairly elderly clergyman, knight, and pillar of the Establishment, and given the negative press coverage Miln had recently received, it is perhaps surprising (and, I would say, much to his credit!) that Sir Derek chose to describe him as his partner.--

Derek attended Whitehaven County Grammar School not County Secondary School. I knew him well as a fellow pupil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.129.166 (talk) 16:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for that, the obits actually say the same, so I don't know how that crept in. David Underdown (talk) 16:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Derek's Early Opinions and Life.

I was at school with Derek, he was in the sixth form when I was a first former. He became Head Boy. He never sat the Higher School Certificate as he had already won a scholarship to Oxford. There he won the Stanhope Prize for an essay on the Parlement of Paris. To my recollection he was not particularly religious at that time and had certainly not had an Anglo-Catholic upbringing. There was no church in the Whitehaven area which would have fostered such an ideology. Indeed none appeared in "Mowbray's Church Guide". I knew him well, he was a frequent visitor to my house, and before my marriage, at which he was a guest, I sometimes stayed with him at 1 Manchester Square, W1. I can remember meeting at least two girl- friends of his at Manchester Square.He certainly in his early years in the Civil Service never regarded himself as an Anglo-Catholic ,was cheerfully amused by my Anglo-Papalism and rejected the idea of auricular confession. However he was fond of elaborate services and was generally of the High Church and State religion. During his early years in the Civil Service he was much influenced by Fr Derry of the Grosvenor Chapel and founded the William Temple Association (satirised as The William Derek Pattinson Association) to do for Anglicans what the Newman Association had done for Catholics. The aim was to produce an articulate lay opinion in the Church of England. According to Derek ,the WTA, of which he was Chairman, led to him being appointed to the Commission on Church and State, under the Chairmanship of Owen Chadwick. Having made a success of his membership and signed the Report ( some said it was volume 3 of Chadwick's "Victorian Church"), which suggested the adoption of synodical government, he was very suited to be the first Secretary General of the Synod. Although I did not live in London we kept in touch and he attended the baptism of my children at Little St Mary's Cambridge and became godfather to my son in 1965. Frederick Jones —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.161.129 (talk) 18:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

What independent confirmation is there of the part played by Mr Milne in Sir Derek's affairs? The article is remarkably devoid of footnotes even when saying what the Bishop of London and Mr Milne are reputed to have said regarding his drink problem etc.Particularis (talk) 20:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]