Talk:Gary Bossert

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Gary Bossert is first in NCAA Division I history for most single-game consecutive three-point shots and second in American high-school history for most single-game free throws made without a miss?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nadia Smyrnytska‎
  • Comment: 3rd of 3 QPQ for this nomination

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 20:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Gary Bossert; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

• I was suppose to nominate this by the 12th I think, but I got distracted and forgot to. If it is too late, I can nom at GAN and come back later.-
  WP:WAWARD) 20:33, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
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• I created the page in my sandbox on 2/5, but I did not move it to main space until 2/11. So this in time. I am going to move it to the Feb 11 section.-
  WP:WAWARD) 02:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
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• The hook as currently written is a bit complicated and hard to read. My suggestion would be to split the hook into two separate hooks (one for the three-point shots, the other for the free throws). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does this mean that you feel the opening paragraph of the article is confusing too (since it presents the fact essentially the same way)?-
    WP:WAWARD) 12:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The issue here is the hook, not the article, so how it is presented in the article is irrelevant to my specific concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:WAWARD) 00:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply

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@TonyTheTiger: Think of a hook as a run-on sentence. It's trying to say two things at once without break, and the flow of how that is presented can be tiring. A regular reader who reads the hook may feel tired from reading it all at once. This isn't about how impressive his work is, it's about the interest of the reader. This is why I was suggesting splitting it into two separate hooks; personally, I think either by itself is impressive enough, but it's also more "bite-sized" that would be more likely to keep a reader's attention than something more winded. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also just realized that the hook is 201 characters and thus cannot be used. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:54, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well the limit is 200 right?-

WP:WAWARD) 04:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply

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ALT1 * ... that Gary Bossert has made the most single-game consecutive three-point shots and second most single-game free throws without a miss?

The limit is indeed 200, but the new hook not only doesn't address my original concern, but also introduces an error because it now lacks the "NCAA Division I" qualifier, making the hook appear to be a general hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One could make the argument that removal of the qualifiers adds intrigue and makes the hook less cluttered and confusing.-

WP:WAWARD) 15:23, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply

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It would also make the hook inaccurate and even a factual error, so as written ALT1 would also not pass either a trip to WP:ERRORS or a sanity check at WT:DYK. I'm not sure what's so difficult about splitting the hook into two separate hooks as that would essentially solve the main issues with the hook regarding both accuracy and ease-of-reading. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 * ... that

WP:WAWARD) 04:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply

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That hook doesn't address the accuracy issue either because it seems to vague about the "record books" in question. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please clarify what is inaccurate. He is in at least 4 record books (3 linked as refs — NCAA, America East, and Niagara — and a fourth in the prose — High School) for these two activities. For brevity I just say record books than name all 4.-

WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply

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It's the same issue as the above. The record books in question are not specified, so it is unclear what those records are in the hook (they're NCAA records, but at first glance they're too vague to have any meaning). It might be easier to just go with my earlier suggestion of split hooks; I cannot understand why there is an apparent insistence of including both despite the issues. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:25, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]