Talk:Greek Crimea

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a) What's Symbola? I have lived in Crimea for a long time, never heard of it.

b) Why Chresonisos has a wrong location? Look at the freaking google maps and see where the ruins of the ancient city are located! https://goo.gl/maps/y9tzhQDTudnzrrty7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psorcerer (talk • contribs) 19:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some aggressive nationalist has moved

As far as I understand, there used to be a page here and a separate page at

Chersonesos. Charles Matthews merged the two at this title. platypeanArchcow

01:44, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As per above discussion I fully agree that the article should exist under the name Chersonesus. Britannica also uses this name. The page cannot be moved because there is a history in both articles. I intend to submit a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves but before I would be interested to hear whether there are possible reasons against the move. Thanks1 -Irpen July 1, 2005 00:07 (UTC)

• The whole article is using the name Chersonesos, the other name appears only in the title. I think a move should be done. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 1 July 2005 00:15 (UTC)
• I agree completely. The article should be moved to "Chersonesos". --Valentinian 1 July 2005 13:19 (UTC)
• At worst, make a reference on the Khersones page and explain why the actual entry exists under Chersonesos. Although I would more likely search Khersones rather than Chersonesos. -- mno July 6, 2005 22:14 (UTC)

This can be easily handled. Khersones and Hersones would redirect to Chersonesos (to answer your mole likely search consern) and Khersones would be mentioned in the beginning of the Chersonesos articles as an UA/RU name. OK, no one seem to really mind. I will post a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves soon. -Irpen July 6, 2005 22:24 (UTC)

(I'm abashed to read how vituperative I was above: but this is not just one isolated incident, nor just one slightly flawed move. I've seen so much of this manner of cultural bullying that I'm quite cross and raw-spirited on the subject. --Wetman 6 July 2005 22:42 (UTC))

Take it easy :). The vote below will be smooth, I am sure. --Irpen July 7, 2005 00:37 (UTC)

It is hereby proposed to move

• Support --Irpen July 7, 2005 00:37 (UTC)
• Support -- mno July 7, 2005 00:45 (UTC)
• Support --Ghirlandajo 7 July 2005 07:55 (UTC)
• Support —Michael Z. 2005-07-7 21:51 Z

It's done. Talrias (t | e | c) 10:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I'm wrong, but my understanding is that Cherosonesos is applied to the whole of the Crimea Peninsula.

And as I recall, doesn't Euripides'

This article could be enriched, and further differentiated from that on the Crimea by adding mention of the literary traditions associated with it (as above), and also from Herodotus, who refers to the Kerch Strait as the Cimmerian Bosphorus and the Sea of Azov as Lake Maeetis, fed by the Tanaïs (Don) River. --FourthAve 22:49, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I didn't post this last month, but I had no idea it was going on until now. You're all wrong! The traditional English is Chersonese. Just as Peloponnese doesn't belong at Peloponnesos or Peloponnesus, neither does this article belong at any of the alternative names. I don't know about Google testing, but applying the definitive Byron Test proves it beyond a doubt:

The tyrant of the Khersonesos Chersonesus Hersonesos Chersonese

Was freedom's best and bravest friend

That tyrant was Miltiades!

Oh! that the present hour would lend

Another despot of the kind!

Such chains as his were sure to bind

See? --Jpbrenna 07:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your right. Make the move.

• If someone is going to move this, do it the right way (by using the Wikipedia "Move" function), not by creating a duplicate article with a different title!! And while you are at it, fix all the different spellings contained in the text of the article, please. --Russ Blau (talk) 15:08, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

It is quite difficult understanding if the article's title refers to the city or the region. If it's the region, as I think, the article should be renamed Tauric Chersonese. If instead it means the town, the article should be renamed Cherson. I'm willing to do it, but first I wanted to hear your opinions Aldux 11:45, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'll rename the article Tauric Chersonese in a day or two. Aldux 11:22, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the article is now thoroughly confusing. "Tauric Chersonese" (the Peninsula of the Tauri) was the name that the Greeks gave to the Crimea. Chersonesos was an individual Greek colony - one of several in the Crimea. The two are not the same thing. The articles are going to have to be de-merged... -- ChrisO 22:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Done, with clarifications so that hopefully it won't be so confusing in future. -- ChrisO 23:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Several arguments for Taurica:

1. As it is said in the artile, Chersonese is simply a peninsula in Greek. So why should we leave this word untranslated? E.g. we say in English the
   Kerch strait
   , but not "Kerchenska protoka", "Kerchenskiy proliv" or "Kerç boğazı" (protoka, proliv and boğaz are Ukrainian, Russian and Crimean Tatar for the strait). Why do we translate "protoka" and do not translate "Chersonese"?
2. As I've mentioned in the article itself, Latin name for the penisula was Taurica, while Greek one was Tauris/Taurida (similar to Ellas/Ellada).
3. Unfortunately I'm not much familiar with English-language sourses, but in Russian and Ukrainian books only Таврика (Taurica) and Таврида (Taurida) are used.
4. The name Taurica is more preferable because it makes impossible any confusion with the city of
   Chersonesos
   .

PS Now we have got three articles: this one,

Don Alessandro 19:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"...she was forced by the Taurian king Thoas to perform human sacrifices on any foreigners who came ashore."

Does that mean make sacrifices of foreigners? —Michael Z. 2006-11-08 21:16 Z

How come, given the discussion, this article has ended up as "Taurica"? That is an absolute nonsense - "Taurica" isn't even a noun! The traditional and accepted names in English are either "Tauric Chersonese" or more learnedly "Chersonesus Taurica". All the arguments for other names here have solid rebuttals. Can it please be moved to one of the correct names?

Meanwhile I'm going to correct the false gender in the illustration legend. Deipnosophista (talk) 13:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:History of Crimea. -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:42, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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