Talk:Green libertarianism

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Balance of ecology and economics

The "Balance of ecology and economics" section lacks reliable sources and thus comes across as

original research. There is one citation, ostensibly used to corroborate the claim that "…a green libertarian might be concerned by the phrases such as 'wealth redistribution' and 'reducing poverty' in the Stern Review and in some IPCC documents and statements." It cites the GWPF, which gives the GWPF's stance, but does not mention "green libertarian," much less state that a green libertarian would be concerned by these phrases. Moreover, as far as I can tell, the GWPF does not identify itself as "green libertarian." Furthermore the "Limited government" subsection makes assertions about Greens, then cites a source that doesn't mention the word "Greens." As of this writing, three of the four references in this article are flagged as problematic, while the fourth is essentially an opinion piece. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:44, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Another editor has since removed the GWPF citation. At this point, that entire section is unreferenced (though already flagged for
WP:NOR). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:46, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply
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Redundant page?

Is there anything at all redeemable about this page? Besides the first paragraph literally nothing is sourced (and those first few citations don't tell us anything about "green libertarianism"). Half of the information is irrelevant (the Hayek stuff especially), and the author of this page seems to be confusing two completely unrelated and disparate traditions, and is calling the end result green libertarianism. All this page seems to prove is that such a tendency doesn't exist. Is there anything here worth redeeming at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:1AD2:7600:2572:CF97:2C35:A4D (talk) 06:06, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, just found this page. "Green Libertarianism" does seem to be a "thing", albeit a new one. Here are a couple of articles mentioning it:
  1. Libertarianism: The New Reformist Movement? (alternet.com, 2007)
  2. Johnson: Libertarian and Green Party do not cancel each other out (cnn.com, 2016)
So I don't think it's redundant, and do think it's worthwhile. In fact, the combination of Green and Libertarian works for me. Perhaps I can clean up the article to present this seeming contradiction in a more logical way. (No promises, though, LOL.)
Thanks & take care ~ Big universe (talk) 08:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Request to add a logo specifically for "green libertarianism"

Hello, I've just created an image to represent "green libertarianism", since a specific logo doesn't seem to exist yet. It's a combination of the logo for the US Libertarian Party (a torch with a yellow flame in the shape of an eagle) and the logo for the US Green Party (a yellow sunflower with a green center). The final image is the yellow sunflower of the Greens (instead of the yellow eagle) atop the Libertarian torch. I thought it worked out quite well, considering. :) Wanted to see what people thought about this before putting it on the page. Would it be weird to have such a logo, when the term "green libertarian" seems to be a fairly new one?

Here's the image:

  • green libertarianism hybrid logo US Greens/US Libertarian
    green libertarianism hybrid logo US Greens/US Libertarian

Cheers & thanks in advance for any input! Big universe (talk) 08:10, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article issues

The problems start with the opening sentence. As I mentioned in my January edit summary, I've been watching and occasionally editing this article for about 11 years, and in that time I haven't seen a

WP:NOTNEO.) Again, I've tried to work on this article now and then over the years, and if I really haven't put my own shoulder to the wheel, I'd have thought that someone who knows more about this than I do (not a very high hurdle) might've come along and made better sense out of it than when I first encountered it in 2009. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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I did find this essay which appeared in Green Revolution (presumably a publication like a magazine or journal, but about which I know nothing). It describes potential areas of compromise between greens and libertarians but the two words don't appear together (e.g. "green libertarian") anywhere in the text. Instead the author identifies (elsewhere on that website) as geolibertarian which already has its own article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And I just remembered that this source was already mentioned under "Further reading." (I thought it looked familiar.) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was just about to nominate this at
WP:JUNK), but one of the links from that template led me to this source. It would appear to actually define green libertarianism (at least an idea, if not as a movement). It looks like paid access so I can't (yet) read the content. I'm not sure whether it's enough to hang this article on or not but maybe someone else can access it. Also possibly more here. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:26, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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It's available as a PDF from academia.edu. Here is the full citation: Walshe, Garvan (2014). "Green libertarianism" (PDF). Ethical Theory and Moral Practice. 17 (5).
ISSN 1386-2820 – via Academia.edu. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:06, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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I have re-written this article based upon the Walshe source. The good news is that now every single sentence has an in-line citation, and I've deleted the original research and/or unsourced content. The bad news is that now most of the text relies upon this single source. In fact, it really just summarizes Walshe and could just as easily be an article about Walshe's piece (assuming it's notable, on its own) and, therefore, Walshe's (but not anyone else's) idea of green libertarianism. That brings me to my concerns about the source itself. Part of the source uses a chatty, informal tone that I would not have expected to find in an academic journal (in which it indeed appeared; I guess that's the journal editors' decision). Another version of this text comprises one part of the author's own dissertation (just now I can't find the link for that), in which

WP:V are no longer issues. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:11, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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