Talk:Icon for Hire

Which sources are unreliable and for which reason. The usual practice would be to mark a particular source rather than blank an entire section so you'll understand my concern. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:02, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Is there a direct email I can communicate with to discuss the changes that are continually being reversed on the Icon For Hire page? 2601:5:1300:4DB:C01C:5CE5:E593:8D72 (talk) 21:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No. This is the place where such changes should be discussed. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:39, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well then whomever locked this page needs to know the subject better. The band member list and test is consistently WRONG and my edits keep getting reveresed. Josh is not a member of the band. He is the tour bassist (and awesome at it) but technically the band only has three members. Just look at all their publicity photos and the bio page on Tooth and Nail. ^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmarshak (talk • contribs) 01:34, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I should be able to correct it based on the provided URL. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:56, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't sure what to do with Kincheloe as your source didn't support any information on him. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:12, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Would anyone be able to fix the table under Discography: Singles for this page? Looking at the code, I can see where everything ought to be, but my knowledge of wiki coding is pretty limited. Louis from VA (talk) 19:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Yes, we need to cite the existence, or more importantly, the notability of them."

What does that even mean? I mean, these don't have citations for their existence or notability (of the existence?). The citations there are just the videos reposted by the Seattle Times. Icon for Hire made music videos. They're pretty clearly music videos made by Icon for Hire. We can go to Icon for Hire's Youtube channel and watch them. What else do you want to know? Should I contact the Seattle Times and ask if they want to repost them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.45.58.20 (talk) 00:15, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It means everything needs a reference especially if it could be challenged. Feel free to tag the videos in that other article.

Citing the videos' existence based on individual YouTube videos meets

secondary source, one where another individual discusses them. Although that's not necessary. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:20, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply

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But all of this isn't relevant at all! If I claim timecube.com exists and link to it, I don't need a secondary source telling us timecube.com exists! Seriously, this is like asking a source on the colour of grass; readers can step outside and see for themselves. What could a secondary source possibly add to this? 212.45.58.20 (talk) 21:29, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you say so. The isn't about timecube.com though, it's about whether it's encyclopedic to list anything in the article. The question is not about existence but about notability. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:27, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A series of edits indicated here are problematic.

First, normally, indicating a subject's full name, as was don with "Ariel Bloomer usually simply referred to as 'Ariel'" would be acceptable, but the subject does not want to be referred to by her family name and so we don't. To introduce her family name would require a

Second, do not remove dead links. Mark them and editors may yet find an archived version. Adding a different link isn't always the best solution. And when adding reference, don't add punctuation after them.

Third

There are other issues, but I just reverted. Perhaps we could get other editors to comment. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:40, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The full name has been appearing in the first section since a long time, and STILL IS.

As I tried to discuss with you on your talk page before you deleted all the discussion without saying anything: This change in the intro is to reflect the fact that Ariel seems to PREFER to be referred to as just "Ariel". User:Jmarshak wrote exactly that on this talk page above as he claims to have spoken to her about it. Now, as said on your talk page too, if you have better informations or if indeed she does not want AT ALL her family name to appear (and hopefully you have a reference about that), write something about it in the article (and delete her name by the same occasion)

We discussed about that on your talk page. I pointed to you that what you wanted to do didn't work and asked you kindly to modify it. Did you ?

"A few months later we played our first show to a *PACKED* club in our hometown"

What do you think the club was packed with ? cows ? (joke)

Nice, just change it please. Thanks for that (I'm not convinced, but it's not the point). I added the section to be able to attach the references that were below by themselves with a "source:".

I was finding it was too packed otherwise. Mistake ? Ok, maybe.

Like you are reverting everything, here or elsewhere. Why not try to be a little constructive ? I asked you on your talk page to do the modifications we discussed (I consider that I tried) the way you wanted. Or you can correct things , but please don't revert everything everywhere all the time. It's discouraging for people willing to add content and help improve articles. Which is what Wikipedia is about, isn't it ?

Would be great. Mevo Wiki (talk) 22:58, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. We don't reply in-line. I had to grab all your edits into one place.

The fact that it's already mentioned once is a compromise. We don't need to mention the subject's full name every time it's raised.

As for discussion on my talk page, that wasn't successful because when I explained you misrepresented my actions as Wow, all that paragraph to basically say "Yes, it's probably better to have a working link". After I read that, there's nothing to read. You clearly didn't read the edit notice on my talk page either. I was gracious with you once and tried to teach you something but you acted in a childish way and I don't need that crap on my talk page. So the discussion on my talk page is dead, we'll talk about everything here instead.

So as for preferred names, tell that to Ringo Starr, Bono, Sting, Slash and probably a hundred other musicians. If a subject wants to be called by a specific name, we don't get in the way. We will, however, frequently, but not always, impose rules of grammar and capitalize names.

If the club was packed, it wasn't a "crowded audience". First, we don't know how many people the club held. Second, it's immaterial to the prose. There's already enough content about this first show and we don't need to expand it. If needed, we could change the content to indicate that there were many people in attendance, but it was likely primarily family and friends. We don't know. It's still

WP:OR

. It best to leave it less verbose than more verbose.

And yes, reverting usually means reverting everything, but I didn't. I kept your newly found source. Both times. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:06, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't see how anyone can access the new link from the article and not end on the previous dead link.

As said, my intention was to be more accurate to the interview referenced and for the article to be more comprehensible, because maybe it's only me, but I don't really understand the logic beetween "as a member of the local party scene" and "(Jump was six months clean at the time)" the way it's currently written for example.

The article is now worse than before, as it misleads into thinking their first show was good, when Ariel herself said the opposite.

Just one more thing: As all your sources about dead links you provided on your talk page, each and every page about Ringo Starr, Bono, Sting, Slash says the exact opposite of what you write as it STARTS directly by telling their name and after that they are "known as".

Anyway, I throw in the towel (you could just have said something about wanting to discuss here, but I'm the one childish, sure). Mevo Wiki (talk) 10:43, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why would anyone try to access a link that is marked as a dead link?

Accuracy is fine, but if that requires increasing the amount of prose, it's a waste. Keep it short and keep the reference, then anyone can fill in the details. The names do start by giving full names, and that's what this article does as well. But all subsequent mentions of the subject's name use the alias. That's what this article does as well: "The band was formed in Decatur, Illinois by vocalist Ariel Bloomer". Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:05, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, but its difficult to try to discuss with you, as you seem to me to not want to hear anything (and let anyone modify articles you "watch"). About the link: EXACTLY, so why isn't the repaired link, working, with the information, appearing instead (what I tried to do in the first place and kindly asked you after several times) ? This way, anybody wanting to check the reference, can access it ???

You were the one talking of the article not being "encyclopedic" enough. For me, ACCURACY is the MOST important thing. You actually deleted a sentence making the article misleading and now less accurate, which to me is really bad (I agree we don't seem to have the same priorities)

Nobody can't fill any detail, you are reverting any atempt.

Fine, we should specify ONE time Ariel full name at the start, let know she is "KNOWN AS xxx" the exact same way as the artists mentionned as examples before, and then subsequently only mention her Alias. What, again, I was trying to do. Now, I can use "Known as" instead of "referred", and I should have deleted her name in the first paragraph.

The 1000 points question: Can I proceed with the modifications ? Mevo Wiki (talk) 22:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You have always been able to edit the article. Any poor edits will be reverted. As long as you're OK with that. It goes with the territory. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:37, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, and I'm sure you will give a reason why you revert (what you have always done I have to admit, even if I don't really agree with the reasons), this way I will be able to correct until you run out of arguments (this may take some time ...)

I'm going to do changes slowly and one at a time, this will prevent having everything reverted each time. Mevo Wiki (talk) 01:44, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of glaring grammatical errors in particular sections of this article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Example (talk • contribs) 06:15, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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You recently commented on my edit for Icon For Hire, which I did while not logged in. I wasn't trying to change the content, at all, I was attempting to clean up the grammar. That section is poorly written. After it was reverted (for making minor grammatical changes) I get your message telling me not to add original content? Do you even read the changes? I stuck a cleanup header on it and left it be. I think you're being a bit overzealous and you are not thoroughly reading through the kind of changes that are being made. That is not a confrontational statement, it's simply an observation. If you want to inform me for doing something wrong, at least make sure you know what I was doing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironywrit (talk • contribs) 18:35, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

These were the edits you made while signed out. It was not about changing grammar, it was about changing the meaning. Adding the conditional, "generally", was the problem. It constituted

original research, which isn't allowed. I chose my warning template judiciously. I applied {{uw-nor1}}. Its wording could probably be improved, but it is a general warning. Later versions of the template are much more specific. Cheers. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:07, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply

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Sorry.

Is the hatnote (added here) required as the self-titled album is linked in the opening paragraph? Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:52, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@Walter Görlitz: A compilation. Does it count? Icon for Hire#Compilation contributions. Okay, probably it doesn't. --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:06, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No. They were never signed to the label. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:15, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To be more precise, at the time, the EMI Christian Music Group included the band's label (Tooth & Nail), Sparrow Records and several other labels. They frequently release compilation recordings that featured artists from all members of the EMI Christian Music Group but it was released under only one label. For instance, see the various labels that released the different albums in the WOW series. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:24, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]