Talk:Inés Sainz

Catcalls? Point blank, Ms. Sainz never said anything about catcalls, per se. She mentioned calling out to her but when she was called by the NFL's investigator she carefully made the case that she heard no comments that she took to be of a sexual nature. So, there we go. We have people--reporters--who are not Sainz saying that there were sexualized comments made toward her, which conduct they believed to be objectionable for the professional environment of reporters at a sports practice. But, the issues raised were not done at Sainz's request. So, bottom line, we need to be careful how we describe them, I think. So, I'm going to boldly slightly recast in the article @ "catcalls."

Additional comments. I have no doubt that something similar to catcalls were probably made, lol. I simply think it would be more encyclopedically appropriate and also more in keeping with a full examination of the sources to say something a bit different than that. Lexically, catcalls means something sarcastic or derisive. I know, when something is sexual, there is a grey area as to whether such a thing is derisive or is complimentary. Yet please note that I'm not really interested in getting into a discussion of sexual politics here. I will say that I am solidly in favor of a degree of political correctness, at least the component of it necessary to maintain a reasonable standard of decorum, which I think is a very useful thing. Sometimes Wikipedia editors are editing more to put forth some kind of political agenda than simply to write good encyclopedia articles, so I don't want people to think I'm trying to make some kind of political statement at all.

Anyway: Constraints of speech in the interest of decorum philosophically need to be balanced against the need for creative self-expression, within certain bounds. Sometimes a free-for-all work environment causes discomfort for some participants. (Heck, I'm a volunteer Wikipedian of average intelligence and no more and sometimes I feel harrassed by folks pointing out my intellectual deficits, lol, as they quickly second-guess my work. Whatever. It's part of the environment necessary for each of us to say what we think and hash out facts, issues, practices and processes. So, it's all kosher. Not to be politically incorrect and use a word that should be specific to a certain religious subset.) But, all that said-- In the case at hand (and speaking about the need to maintain a reasonably comfortable work environment): I think that the young, attractive, Northern "Joisey"-area newspaper sports-beat reporter that lodged the complaint about the sexualized work environment in East Rutherford that day did a good thing. The Bleacher Report has this piece that talks about the creative need for freedom balanced against individuals within that environment's need to be able to enjoy a pleasant and not-overly-sexualized work environment (in light of what its author says is the coming entertainment-mixed-with-reporting that is tending more and more to be the norm in the coming media environment). Anyway, this piece mentions how California's State Supreme Court ruled in Lyle versus Warner Bros. that if sexualized stuff is not directed at the complaining party, but is itself a part of a creative work environment that is known from the get-go to be somewhat sexualized, that in such cases no sexual harassment, as legally defined, takes place (in my layman's terms, obviously). Of course, California is not New Jersey, but I think the issues raised are important, nonetheless.<end ramble>--

talk) 20:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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From the source currently used in the article: "...she was, she says, reportedly the target of catcalls and rude comments". May I suggest that you read more and write less? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have contributed most of the words in the article--kudos, of course, is not necessary for that but still I think it would be great if things could be taken down a notch on the talk page as far as mutual disparagements of various contributors' editing styles and whatnot. I could find a quote at

talk) 21:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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Since this is her biography, we should endeavor to stick with her--as opposed to any other reporters'--story when possible, in the spirit of BLP. She said (I just underlined per se in my comment above) that others said their were catcalls. I didn't deny that. If the article was about the incident itself, then perhaps the reporters' take might deserve more weight than what she herself reported hearing, IMO. Be back with quote from

talk) 21:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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I'll try the same quote again with different emphasis: "...she was, she says, reportedly the target of catcalls and rude comments". Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:58, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Int he spirit of

WP:V we report what reliable sources say. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 22:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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I read it, ""...she was, she says, reportedly the target of catcalls and rude comments." Read the rest of the article to see her own words to this effect.--

talk) 22:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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I think you may be missing the point. I've provided you, from the source currently used in the article, a reliable source stating that Sainz herself said she was reportedly the target of "catcalls", which directly answers the point you made at the start of this section. Contrary to your assertion, she did say something about catcalls. All of this should have been apparent to you from my first response. It is a moot point, since there is no shortage of reliable sources using the word "catcalls", as a quick Google search will confirm. I find your focus on this particular word puzzling, since your earlier work on the article appeared to me to be intended to make it as salacious as possible. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 01:57, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In my sincere opinion, your comment about my indicating a desire to make the article "as salacious as possible" is a willful mischaracterization of my editing. Perhaps you are just evil. Please provide links. Yes, I wrote the vast majority of the article so I have mentioned this episode before, yet in an exremely respectful and careful manner.--

talk) 03:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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Request for comment This is a suggestion to improve this biography in a minor but I believe important way. In the interest of the spirit of the BLP guidelines, the subject's views of how her words have been mischaracterized by the press should be taken into account. (See a rough translation of her op-ed recently published in Mexico here, where she, among other things, complains that the U.S. media has mischaracterized her statements.)

Today I wonder why a well respected association such as the AWSM, within its right to inform about any violations of work conditions for its members, acted so impulsively. Considering that the AWSM was in fact worried about the event and about my integrity as a woman and newsperson, why did I never receive a call from them, and why were all these deeds denounced [by the AWSM] with such certainty? ---- A group of news people and communicators, eager to make an even bigger scandal out of this situation, have moved women's rights backwards at least 50 years. I am surprised by how easily some colleagues skip the basic rules of journalism: one should investigate, inquire, and look at the facts before giving an opinion. ---- I am surprised by the readiness and professionalism the NFL acted with. I feel happy that I wasn't found responsible [by the league] for what happened.

I believe it would improve the article to use the subject, Ms. Sainz's, actual words in the article rather than the media's paraphrase of them.

Her actual words are

But I believe that the rest of the media start to hear the different kind of things that I didn't hear. And sometime in a minute, a colleague [said], 'Come with me, and I'm so sorry. [...] It's terrible. I feel sorry for you.' So I tried to say, 'Don't worry, I can handle the situation.' And that's it. And I don't even try to pay attention." ... I think that the media that in the locker room, what are really upset is about the vocabulary they used to refer to me. I want to say that I'm not the one who made the charge. Because I didn't even say, 'Hey, I feel bad for that, with [to the] NFL.' The ones that say that something is happened there is the rest of the media."

However, CBS News paraphrased these remarks as

catcalls and rude comments.

My suggestion to improve the article is to replace

In 2010, media reported that while Sainz was waiting to conduct an interview in the

talk) 14:39, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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Ironically after Ines sexual harassment incident, she was approach by Hugh Hefner's people with a big deal and cover of Playboy Magazine, it is believe that TV Azteca prohibits their reporters this kind of exposure, either way Ines Sainz said she will never pose naked for Playboy or any magazine

not go with my principles.She said

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mivalle (talk • contribs) 21:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Evidently, I know this came about due to the boom of the Jets story and that my pictures were being searched for and in the United States the repercussions were complete. I think that they said that it's always good to have a young image that is in vogue at the moment with a good body or with a certain type of body that will interest them and with that they made an offer. All I will say is simply that that does not go with my principles and my values and nothing else."---SAINZ, to Azteca America's Ventaneando America - translation at Latin in America website--

talk) 20:49, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply

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In Sainz's own words; NFL interviews of eyewitnesses

Note per something I said in the section directly above: It turns out that CBS transcripts are apparently a pay-money affair. In lieu of the full transcript of Ms. Sainz's appearance on the CBS morning news show, I've assembled print news reports of Sainz's comments about the affair, below, followed by the NFL's report made after it interviewed 17 witnesses to the events at the Meadowlands.--

talk) 08:35, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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Sainz said she was not given the chance to know what the allegations were and that the media mischaracterized her words. Thus, what follows is what she has said to the media in her actual words. (As reported in the NY Daily News:

"I believe they are taking it seriously and it's only going to be one bad experience and no more," Sainz, a reporter for TV Azteca of Mexico, told reporters outside New Meadowlands Stadium just before kickoff [in game 2 days after incidents]. ... Sainz said she "never heard something sexual" from the players, but noted one called her a "bonita señorita."

(Reported in NY Daily News) that Sainz said to DeporTV:

I want to make clear that in no moment did I even feel offended, much less at risk or in danger while there. I entered the locker room and there were some comments and some games. A colleague came up to me to apologize for what was happening, for the things that were going on, since obviously they were making jokes about me. It was simply a situation that got out of hand. I waited for the interview with Mark Sanchez, we did it and it turned out great...the next day the press is reporting that I was a victim of harassment and inappropriate behavior by the Jets. The owner, Mr. Johnson called me to apologize for his team’s behavior. In no moment did I feel attacked or subjected to anything really offensive. ... I gave them[NFL security] a detailed explanation of what happened I even showed them our tape where you can see how everything happened.

Via Twitter:

What I can tell you is that in the moment I didn't want to give it any importance and I wasn't paying attention, but ... the other media clearly heard and in a show of solidarity made a complaint, looking to ensure that there's always an environment of respect!! // Some of the media are saying that I was dressed inappropriately with the Jets! I was (dressed) exactly like this.

(Some quotes from CNN.com) to CNN:

I accept the apologies [from Woody Johnson], and I said thanks to him for the concern and all the rest of the team, because he promised that he is going to make everybody on his team respect … women. And I think the important point is that women deserve respect in any profession, so I think it's going to happen. ... I think that it’s not good that this kind of thing happened, and it mustn't happen anymore. I'm agreeing with the idea that it's good that everybody knows that a woman or a man deserve the same treatment in the locker room. ... I try not to hear anything, try not to pay attention. My cameraman told me, 'Don't look on the right, don't look at the left. But I really feel the noise and all the environment was talking about me. One colleague – one female colleague – came with me and [told] me, 'I'm so sorry. It mustn't happen. It's not OK. So I tried to calm her. … I really know that she [heard] something that I didn't hear, and the rest of the media … heard things that I didn't really hear. So I really appreciate the concern about it.

Wrt Sanchez's joking tone, in Sainz's words to her colleagues:

It was definitely a joking tone, very amicable. I wasn’t offended.

To TV Azteca:

I was surprised to wake up on Sunday and have a call from the NFL , saying that they wanted to talk to me about what had happened at the Jets; and I asked… what happened? And they said well there is a pretty powerful accusation of harassment and then it was at that point I realized the magnitude of what had happened.

(Some quotes at in FoxNews.com): According to Sainz, things players said:

(1) "I want to play with a Mexican," (2) "Eres muy guapa" (Spanish for: "You are very beautiful"; about which, Sainz commented): I didn't want any part of it. I heard the noise. I knew they were talking about me. I was just focusing on my job and hoping that Mark Sanchez was coming soon so I could interview him.

To recap: Sainz heard jocularities she was not offended by; reporters complained of sexual comments she had not heard.

Op-ed by Maegan La Mala, published by 2 Mujeres Meda:

(La Mala): "Why is the U.S. media showing pictures of Sainz in bikinis and not the actual interview she did with Sanchez or any other interview for that matter? ... ...Sainz has said in every interview I have seen, and I have watched interviews in English and in Spanish, that she did not hear everything that was said, that she heard a few comments and noticed the tense atmosphere but that other women in the locker room heard offensive comments."

(Quotes in USA Today) to the AP:

Of course you feel it when you are being stared at and when you are being spoken of in a certain way. I opted to ignore it ... I tried to not even pay attention.

Part 2: NFL's conclusions:

According to the AP (continued):

"The NFL came to its conclusion after interviewing 17 people who were present — including Sainz.... ---- Goodell said Sainz explained that her postings on Twitter while in the locker room reflected her 'general lack of comfort in that setting, and were not related to any specific act, comment or gesture directed to her by any member of the Jets organization.' He said she also told the NFL she had not seen or heard any catcalls, sexually explicit or offensive comments or gestures directed at her, 'and did not believe she was subjected to any improper conduct.' Goodell's letter said Sainz 'did not believe that the activity in the locker room interfered with her ability to do her job (namely, obtaining an interview with Sanchez), and did not identify any member of the Jets organization who did anything that was in her view improper. That being noted, Sainz did state that the locker room environment "could have been better."' ---- The letter said other reporters in the locker room described the atmosphere as 'juvenile, immature, high school,' but 'not over the top.' ---- 'Others agreed that the atmosphere was not hostile, that no obscene or lewd comments or gestures were made and that nobody had physical contact with Sainz, that Sainz did not appear concerned, disturbed or troubled by what was going on around her, and that nobody had difficulty doing his or her job.' However, the letter also said the atmosphere in the locker room was described as 'unprofessional, uncomfortable, and disappointing.'"

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talk) 16:11, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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On October 15, 2010  

It was release that Ines said she won't go into locker rooms anymore. "I'm not going into the locker rooms anymore. It's not a good place right now for me. I don't want to be in there. I need to wait one month to work again because I don't want to be the focus," she said. "I'm not looking for that kind of publicity. It affects my career and development in the States." "I like to look good, but that in no way makes me any less dedicated to the sports journalism world," she wrote to Goodell. "I'm proud of being a woman and I'm not shy about hiding it. However, this in no way makes me any less of a professional."

Comment Another point. Ideally a translator or even a linguist would be utilized when taking testimony even in cases where the witness's English proficiency is good but not perfect. For example, Sainz said "never so rude" when asked during her interview on CBS if she had ever heard such comments before, and later CBS News selected this lone quote from out of everything else Sainz had said to use in their headline of the news piece they published on the intervew. I know a lot of people whose native language is Spanish and almost all of them, prior to a high-level of mastery of English, use "so" to mean "very," which in this context produces a meaning at variance to what would normally thought to be indicated by this word. Theoretical example:

Q) "Have people previously ever yelled out comments to you?"

A) <using a substitution of the word very for so> "Never very rude."

Such difficulty in determining the degree of precision applicable to Sainz's individual responses in English to questions asked of her provide yet another reason to take all of Sainz's comments in totality rather than interpret too much from one phrase or response taken alone. Therefore, I think teensy snippets drawn from Sainz's random interviews about the events should be given less weight than the intensive and careful examination of Sainz's experience and reactions as conducted by the NFL.--

talk) 16:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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Title

Shouldn't this article be called "Inés Sainz" rather than "Ines Sainz"? Her name seems to be written as Inés throughout the article, and in references. -- Finlay McWalter ☻ Talk 21:54, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

see [1] - although I dont know if that is a valid representation and application of Wikipedia policies. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 22:02, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant guideline at

talk) 15:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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Further down the page says, "...[F]ollow the conventions of the language in which the entity is most often talked about (German for German politicians, Turkish for Turkish rivers, Portuguese for Brazilian towns etc.)"--so my guess is right. Still, that information should be right in the lede, I think. I'll mention this on the guideline's talkpage.--

talk) 15:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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English does sometimes use diacritics (for example, François is normally spelled with its cedilla); in other cases, this English wikipedia should avoid them. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: page not moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• [Very strongly] Oppose. That sentence applies to a rare condition, which does not occur in this article: "It can happen that an otherwise notable topic has not yet received much attention in the English-speaking world, so that there are too few English sources to constitute an established usage. If this happens, follow..." That is not the case here, and the several English sources for the article spell her Ines. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, PMAnderson. --Well, then, if no-one objects, I will [eventually] withdraw the request.--

talk) 19:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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That's fine. It is possible that other sources exist which show that it is normal to use the accent, even if the newspapers don't. But if nobody finds some, the request will be closed next week anyway. 19:52, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

• Strong support That's her name, I wanted to move this yesterday, but the page needed to be deleted. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 23:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  1, 2, and most important 3 show that her name is Inés. If people does not have the ´ is not the problem of Wikipedia. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 23:59, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Those share a common factor: none of them are in English. By the same reasoning, we could demand that
    our article titles aren't names; they are what it is convenient to call the article for readers in the lanquage concerned; Spanish for the Spanish wikipedia; English here. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply
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    • So you are saying that we should move
      Felipe Calderon because this is English wikipedia, oh really onteresting. BTW, you want an English source is not difficult to find them. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 02:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply
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    • This is a straw man; it is not difficult to show that Calderón is the normal spelling in English. It is policy to consider such matters case by case; we should ignore those who inflexibly insist on Spanish spellings and those who inflexibly reject them - and follow what English sources actually do. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:06, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • I really, don't understand why you are trying to keep this as it is, if you justify yourself saying that "This is English Wikipedia" or "Those are the rules",
        JUST IGNORE THEM, this change won't stop the world. You said that "we can request that Londres must be moved to London on es.wiki; no one on the Spanish world call Londres "London", unlike Inés Sainz in the English world. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 18:06, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply
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        • People always ignore the very important second portion of that policy: we can ignore the rules if they are preventing us from building a better encyclopedia. Dont see that that actually applies here. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 17:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral--
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• Support It's her name. Multiple examples of Latin American people like her on Wikipedia. --John KB (talk) 00:47, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The first reference is to a New York Daily News article. The Daily News seems to have a policy, perhaps implicit, of indiscriminately stripping diacritics, even when it is common to include them. For example, in the top 50 pages returned by doing a Google search for site:nydailynews.com "felipe calderón"[2], only two of them spell his name with the diacritic. So the absence of a diacritic in Sainz's name in Daily News references tells us only that that paper doesn't use diacritics generally, and tells us nothing about how Sainz's name in particular is written in English.
      The only instructive sources, then, are those that include diacritics where they are generally included in English, such as in Felipe Calderón or Besançon, but omit them where they are generally omitted in English, such as in Mexico or G.F. Handel. I haven't checked any of the other English-language sources that have been argued to support Ines Sainz over Inés Sainz, but until someone shows that these sources do not simply strip diacritics arbitrarily--or use them in words even when the conventions in English for the respective words is not to use them--we have no basis to argue that there is a convention for writing Sainz's name in English either with or without the diacritic.--Atemperman (talk) 21:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

-Article in NY Daily News: "Motley Crue Frontman Vince Neil Arrested on Suspicion of DUI in Las Vegas"
-Article in NY Times: "Mötley Crüe Files Suit Against NBC for Banning It Because of an Expletive"
-Blurb from HarlperCollins, publisher of an autobiobiography of the band: "Motley Crue was the voice of a barely pubescent Generation X"
-Text from the book itself: Mötley Crüe
-From entry for "heavy metal" in the Encyclopædia Britannica: "A wave of 'glam' metal, featuring gender-bending bands such as Mötley Crüe and Ratt, emanated from Los Angeles beginning about 1983...."

-Book sold by Amazon: Ines of My Soul
-Book authored by Allende: Inés of My Soul

-From the NYT: "'I do think The [Hollywood] Reporter lost a lot of its luster,' said Lorenza Munoz, an adjunct professor of journalism at the University of Southern California...."
-From the NYT: "Andrew Muñoz, a public affairs official at the Lake Mead National Recreation Area, said that the economic downturn had led to a steady influx of repo men hunting Lake Mead’s marinas for craft whose owners are delinquent...."

-How the NYT styles names of Mexican reporters: "The authorities have confirmed only one of the disappearances, that of Miguel Ángel Domínguez Zamora of Reynosa’s newspaper El Mañana, who disappeared March 1. ... Ciro Gómez Leyva, the news director at Milenio...."
-An example of how it occasionally styles the name of a person that we thought apparently had slightly anglicized his name's orthography: "

talk) 17:18, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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• oppose move We follow what reliable sources do. The English language sources that we are using in our article do not use the diacritic version. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 17:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose based on usage in English language sources. See below. Erudy (talk) 18:51, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Los Angeles Times does not use accent
  • Wall Street Journal does not use accent
  • The Washington Post does not use accent
  • Daily Telegraph does not use accent
  • Latina Magazine does not use accent
  • CBS does not use accent
  • NPR does not use accent
  • Miami Herald does not use accent
  • etc. etc.

As an experiment, I'm going to search each publication listed above and list its most recent hit in 2002 for "Penelope" [C.].

1. Sep 22, 2010 LATimes: " Quiz: Who won Oscars for foreign-lingo roles? Seven actors...two women speaking Italian and Penelope Cruz...."
2. Feb 11 WSJ Speakeasy: "Actress Penelope Cruz may team up with Johnny Depp for 'Pirates of the Carribbean: On Stranger Tides'...."
3. Sep 14 WaPo Celebritology 2.0: " Penelope Cruz and husband Javier Bardem are expecting their first child...."
4. Sep 20 Daily Telegraph's Stars & Stories section: "...while Spain was still revelling in its dramatic World Cup win, Javier Bardem was...celebrating his recent marriage to...Penelope Cruz."
5. July 14 Latina magazine: "When we heard about Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem's top secret Bahama's wedding...."
6. (Note: I couldn't find any hits from CBS's Sports website, so I've substituted their news site.) July 18 CBS News 60 Minutes: "Penelope Cruz. In a rare interview, the Spanish starlet opens up about her life, career and childhood. Charlie Rose reports."
7. Sep 14 NPR Monkey See blog: "...Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem are now expecting the world's best-looking baby."

1. Sep 24 Miami Herald's People section's Celebrity Roundup: "Spanish stars Penélope Cruz and hubby Javier Bardem are expecting their first child (but also note that in the piece's headline, the "acute" over the second e in Penelope's name is lacking).

Score, 7–1; obvious conclusion: Generally, no accenting over vowels in English, even in Spaniard's names.--

talk) 20:23, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply

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• Comment - I have recreated Inés Sainz as a redirect to this article, just as an aid to readers searching for that name. It can be deleted in the event that this article is renamed. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Sainz's 1st English-language gig

--Is to be the upcoming pay-per-view Pacquiao--Margarito fight.--

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Date of birth

Please keep her date of birth: September 20, 1978. It is found on Espanol Wikipedia. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/In%C3%A9s_Sainz_Gallo

Wikipedia is not a reliable source. And that article doesnt have any reliable source for their claim. Active Banana (^bananaphone 21:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply

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