Talk:James Fulton Zimmerman

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The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 14:26, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that James Fulton Zimmerman was the first historian to study U.S. State Department records on the controversial impressment that occurred just before the War of 1812 was declared? — Wolf, 2015, p. 20

• Comment: Statement and source supporting hook is found in the 2nd paragraph of the Career section.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Conn Findlay

Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 23:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC).[reply]

• @Gwillhickers: I started to review this nomination, and still want to. But I think you need to work on the wording of the first half of the hook and where it's mentioned in the article. It's too close to the exact wording of the source: "He was the first historian to study U.S. State Department records on impressment ... " Let me know, and I'll get back to this. — Maile (talk) 18:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• The phrase in question in the source reads: was the first historian to study U.S. State Department records. This is a general statement, however, will this variation work?:

• ALT1: ... that James Fulton Zimmerman proved to be the first historian to examine U.S. State Department records on the controversial impressment that occurred just before the War of 1812 was declared?
  -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

QPQ

• Supplied per above

Eligibility

• Created by Gwillhickers on April 23, 2021
• 4119 characters (648 words) "readable prose size"

Sourcing

• Every paragraph is sourced, meeting requirements

Hook

• ALT1 hook is 190 characters, stated in the article, and sourced

Images

• No image used with hook

Copyvio check

• Phrases flagged on Dup Detector and Earwig's tool flags are common phrases that are unavoidable. I otherwise reworded two sentences that were too close to the source wording. However, it looks OK now.

Good to go. — Maile (talk) 20:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gwillhickers I was going to promote this hook, but I was confused by the following sentence in the article, "Zimmerman's presidency was formally celebrated and was attended by New Mexico Governor Richard C. Dillon along with public school officials from across the state." Unfortunately, I do not have access to the source so I cannot fix it myself. How can someone attend Zimmerman's presidency? Do you mean that his inauguration was attended by these people? I added a clarification tag to the sentence. Please Let me know if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 20:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That was a really good catch. I do seem to have access to some of the sourcing, but a search brings up nothing like the above wording. One of the sources is a book I do not have access to. — Maile (talk) 11:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: There does not seem to have been any editing on the article since the above question was raised about celebrating his presidency. I don't have access to whatever this came out of, but I would suggest that installing a university president is a ceremony usually referred to as an Investiture. Could that be what you meant instead of "presidency"? — Maile (talk) 18:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have access to the source either. I assume its the investiture, but I can't verify that. Can we remove the sentences from the article, post them on the talk page to hopefully be verified in the future, and run the ALT1 hook? Z1720 (talk) 21:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gwillhickers and Z1720: Removing the sentences works for me, as far as getting this nomination passed. — Maile (talk) 21:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed those sentences. Is there anything else to be done? Desertarun (talk) 19:20, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: Ping. Desertarun (talk) 08:55, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not responding before. I have no more concerns about this nom. Z1720 (talk) 14:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]