Talk:Just Friends

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. The opposition has a better justification for leaving this as it is than the support does for moving it, despite there being a greater numerical support for the move. (Although after discounting the IP, it's closer to an even split.) - UtherSRG (talk) 20:50, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just Friends → Just Friends (film) – Not a main topic. And there are many media with same "Just Friends" name. Even popular movie like Avatar still has to be disambiguated. Silvergoat (talk∙contrib) 18:34, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose: The film appears to be the
  primary topic for this term: It gets several times more page visits (13,655 so far this month) than all the other uses combined (1937 page hits), and Just Friends (disambiguation) gets relatively few visits (186 this month). That is, very few users are continuing from the film article to the dab page, suggesting that the film is indeed the topic being sought by users searching for "Just Friends".--ShelfSkewed Talk 18:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply
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• Support – invoking primaryname for such an ambiguous title makes no sense. The title
  Just Friends (film) is less ambiguous, more precise, more recognizable, more consistent with titles for films with ambiguous names, and still plenty concise. Dicklyon (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply
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• Oppose, invoking primary topic for a topic that meets the primary topic criteria makes perfect sense. None of "less ambiguous, more precise, more recognizable, more consistent with titles for films with ambiguous names, and still plenty concise" will help the majority of readers who find a disambiguation page in between them and the sought article. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  Unfair much, for other articles? Why didn't we move Avatar (2009 film) to Avatar right away, because that movie was so popular? Think. Silvergoat (talk∙contrib) 04:55, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  That situation is different from this one. It is true that Avatar (2009 film) is in high demand (200K+ hits this month), but there are several other topics that are significantly sought out by users. Avatar: The Last Airbender, for example, has 100K+ page views this month, and then there is the primary topic, Avatar, as well as Avatar (computing). Additionally, the primary topic (the use of the term in Hinduism) has been deemed by consensus as culturally and historically significant enough to command primary-topic status despite not being the "most popular" use of the term. In the present case, however, none of the other things called "Just Friends" are particularly significant or in high demand, but the film article is in overwhelmingly high demand compared to all those other uses, and there is, as noted, very little traffic going to the dab page. It makes no sense to force the large majority who want the film article to visit a dab page in order to avoid a minor inconvenience for the small minority who are looking for something else.--ShelfSkewed Talk 05:39, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  You had me at "that was different". Silvergoat, note that the move discussion(s) at Avatar fairly used the same guidelines and policies we're fairly applying now. If everyone who disagrees with you is unfair, this would have been a technical request, not needing discussion. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per Dicklyon 70.24.248.7 (talk) 04:48, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  But Dicklyon has no guidelines to support his !vote. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per Dicklyon. Although I don't regard the 2005 film as a primary topic. For me the primary topic is the colloquial expression, as in no we are not dating we're just friends and its various other forms. The 2005 movie may have a temporary higher google presence, but its just temporary. --Bejnar (talk) 09:29, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  The colloquial expression doesn't have a Wikipedia article (so doesn't need Wikipedia disambiguation) and doesn't have a capital F (so isn't ambiguous with this title anyway). Neither has long-term educational value, so the "just temporary" argument doesn't hold either. Please see

  WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Consensus not to move, therefore, not moved. The oppose arguments are much stronger than the support arguments here, as pageview stats show clearly that

• Just Friends → Just Friends (2005 film)
• Just Friends (disambiguation) → Just Friends
• Just Friends (album) → Just Friends (Joe Temperley and Jimmy Knepper album)

– Six-and-a-half years have passed since the above 2012 RM and, with 19 entries listed at the

• Support no primary here on either count. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:08, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Support as this is a common phrase with no discernible primary topic. Ham Pastrami (talk) 22:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Oppose. We don't determine primary topic based on comparison to common phrases that don't have entries in WP. We compare to the other uses. And based on page view stats, this topic is by far the most likely to be sought by anyone searching with "just friends". [1]. Clear
  WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --В²C ☎ 23:50, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply
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• Support all per nom - no clear primary topic. Also, support the album move, as "the disambiguation is incomplete due to Just Friends (Rick Haydon and John Pizzarelli album)". Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:00, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose moving Just Friends. The other pages are viewed so little that obfuscating the only topic that gets views does nothing but hinder readers. I do support the Just Friends (album) move however. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:24, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per B2C. This is a classic case of thinking there's no primary topic because there are a lot of entries on the dab page, and it's a DICDEF phrase. The 2005 film seems fairly clearly the most sought-after article on this topic though, as the page views attest, so the current status quo is still correct even if 2012 was six years ago.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:59, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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