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Partner correction

Megan Fox -> Julia Fox Obsidian 17 (talk) 01:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Infobox image

I feel like the infobox image looks a little low quality, especially since its literally a screenshot of a YouTube video. Should we change it with a higher quality image? 155.205.200.207 (talk) 05:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that should be done. There should be a professionally taken image rather than a screenshot of a video. Pyraminxsolver (talk) 05:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey, just to let you know, there is an ongoing conversation about this at the section
talk
) 13:59, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Influence of Kanye

Brockhampton band formed from a online forum 'KanyeToThe' which was a Kanye fans site. Juice Wrld admitted he's heavily influenced after listening to Kanye's 808s and heartbreak Globglabglob (talk) 14:43, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree this should be somewhere in the the article. Perhaps we could either add this to the Legacy section or turn it into a Impact & Legacy section? 73.25.182.156 (talk) 18:29, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

We have to add this to legacy section. It clearly talks about influence Globglabglob (talk) 17:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Sources? It can be added to Juice Wrld's page if it's sourced. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Add "influential in music" in info right below the bame.

Kanye has been credited for changing of hip hop more than twice and influential in rap, R&B, pop music in general. This should be added in bio after his name. WHO & WHY PEOPLE CHANGING KANYE'S WIKI? Kanye has an undeniable music legacy Globglabglob (talk) 18:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

 No - please get
reliable source says that he is considered influential wizzito | say hello!
19:41, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2022

2A00:23C6:C894:5C00:1542:4A58:7991:8451 (talk) 19:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Ye is one of the most influential rappers of all time

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 20:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Kanye is one of the most influential artists of 21st century. What's wrong with Wikipedia editors? Why they keep changing ye's wiki. Globglabglob (talk) 03:02, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 17 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Speedy close. No new arguments presented, and malformed request (a move to

primary topic of that title). King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠
01:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Kanye West → Ye – We need to be consistent. Anna Delvey is Anna Sorokin, Meghan Markle is Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, and Kanye West should be Ye. Michael-Moates (talk) 00:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

  • Strong oppose per
    Mos Def, Lisa Bonet, and Cat Stevens. – Muboshgu (talk
    ) 00:17, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
    @Muboshgu: I hear you. I want to be clear by nominating I am not for or against but I do think that Wikipedia needs to have some consistency. For example, Meghan Markle vs Meghan, Duchess of Sussex and Anna Sorokin vs Anna Delvey. I don't care if we use common or legal but I do think we need some consistency. Michael-Moates (talk) 00:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
    I don't know anything about the naming conventions for British royals or who Anna Sorokin is. I do know that COMMONNAME should prevail unless there's a really good reason for it not to. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Procedural close. Consensus on 13 December 2021 for the exact same requested move was unanimously opposed. It's too soon to reopen. ––FormalDude talk 00:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
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a question of stress

commonly known as Kanye West (/ˈkɑːnjeɪ/ kahn-YAY),

The IPA shows stress on the first syllable. The babytalk spelling puts it on the last. Pick one? —Tamfang (talk) 04:56, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Lead sentence influential artist

There seems to be a trend of new editors deleting some content that has been in the Kanye West article's lead for years, which is a sentence stating something along the lines of "he is considered to be one of the most influential musicians (or rappers) of the 21st century (or of hip-hop or of all time)". This is despite the citations and many references to this fact later in the article. As I have stated multiple times for the user Keshavv1234, this is not WP:NOTSPAM nor WP:NOTPROMO, it is a known fact. Just like Lil Wayne, Rakim, Jay-Z, Kendrick Lamar, Eminem, J. Cole, etc. have lines of that type in the first paragraphs of their leads, West should not be an exception, especially given the unusual diversity of his influence. I will not revert this most recent edit, but am inviting other editors to weigh in on this topic. Dqortsky909 (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Summarizing Paragraph in Article introduction

I don't understand why statements at the end of the first paragraph noting the impact/influence of West continue to be deleted. Regardless of the controversy he's brought upon himself the past decade, to not denote that he is one of the most "influential" or "greatest" hip-hip artists of all time is extremely disingenuous when similar claims are made in the introductory paragraphs of the Wikipedia pages of Jay-Z, Eminem, J-Cole, and Kendrick Lamar. He has 6 albums ranked in Rolling Stone's Top 500 Albums of all time across all of music, and of his albums not included in that list, The Life of Pablo is one of the most popular and acclaimed albums of its decade, and Donda was nominated for the AOTY Grammy. None of those aforementioned artists have had as much of an acclaimed discography as Kanye, and none have had one single album that has ever surpassed the widespread acclaim West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy has garnered.

I understand that Wikipedia tries to be unbiased as possible, but to not include a statement for Kanye West's page yet have it for those other artists indicates that there is a bias–the moderators or whoever watch over this page do not personally like West as a person outside of music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScoobyScoo (talk • contribs) 01:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2022

On the basis of Ye's roll out of Donda and Donda 2 with 'listening parties' and 'performance experience' should be seen as being iterative performances which were in flux and had a highly performative nature during the performance, Ye should be described as a 'multidisciplinary performance artist', or at least as a 'performance artist'. This should be added in the first sentence so that it says "Ye (/jeɪ/ YAY; born Kanye Omari West; June 8, 1977), commonly known as Kanye West (/ˈkɑːnjeɪ/ KAHN-yay), is an American rapper, record producer, multidisciplinary performance artist, and fashion designer." instead of "Ye (/jeɪ/ YAY; born Kanye Omari West; June 8, 1977), commonly known as Kanye West (/ˈkɑːnjeɪ/ KAHN-yay), is an American rapper, record producer, and fashion designer.". Ye has also alluded to performance being crucial in his practice earlier but now we are seeing it become a focal point.

Ye is (implicitly) described as a multidisciplinary performance artist in: "Kanye West’s ‘Donda’ Era, on a Chaotic Stage" (URL:<https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/arts/music/kanye-west-donda.html>) by Jon Caramanica in The New York Times. And the performative nature of earlier actions is described in: Kanye West's Face Masks: Are They Performance Art? (URL:<https://www.forbes.com/sites/nadjasayej/2021/10/28/kanye-wests-face-masks-is-it-performance-art/>) by Nadja Sayej in Forbes Magazine.

Further: these independent analysts and/or commentators allude to Ye as a performance artist in: "Kanye is the most successful Performance Artist of All Time: A Professor Skye Video Essay" (URL:<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9UPkb9508c>) by Skye Paine, a assistant professor of French at SUNY Brockport Pittsford. And in: "Every Reference From Kanye West DONDA Album Release Explained" (URL:<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ctvk7TqCJA>) by Bliss Foster, a fashion journalist and commentator.

Regards, Add. Additionem (talk) 16:04, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide
seems like a stretch. Regardless it’s not enough to make a change to the first sentence — the most important sentence in the whole article. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs
) 01:58, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 03 March 2022

"One of the world's best-selling music artists, with over 160 million records sold, West has won 22 Grammy Awards, the joint tenth-most of all time."

It looks like he is the joint eleventh-most Grammy winner of all time now, per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_records#Most_Grammys_won. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reemertastic (talk • contribs) 15:45, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2022

Add Kid Cudi to associated acts, as they created an entire album together (Kids See Ghosts) 118.137.105.44 (talk) 02:11, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 晚安 (トークページ) 08:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Image RfC

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
There is consensus for image B.
Please ping me!
22:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)


  • A
    A
  • B
    B
  • C
    C

There's been some edit conflicts from people when it comes to the lead image. I think it's fair to hold an RfC to see which image should be used for this article. Option A is a photo from 2019, Option B is a photo from 2009, and Option C is from 2011.

talk to me
18:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support A. It's a high quality, well lit, recent photo of West. The other ones are either too old or too far from the camera to reasonably identify West. I don't see any glaring issues with Option A, and given the fact that the other ones are again very old whereas this one is recent.. A makes the most sense.
    talk to me
    18:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support B. Unfortunately, we don't have many good options when it comes to photos of West. The 2019 image is newer, yes, but it is also a lower resolution and much blurrier than B. It also features West looking away from the camera. Overall, I think the higher resolution and better camera placement of B make up for its age, and I think it is still definitely a suitable photo to identify West. I think C is the worst image out of the three; it doesn't show West's face very well.
    talk
    ) 18:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
  • B The only feasible option, the other two are so poor I'd rather no image than either one of them. ––FormalDude talk 20:09, 21 January 2022 (UTC) (Summoned by bot)
  • B is superior. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:04, 21 January 2022 (UTC) (Summoned by bot)
  • B - is the best quality of the three. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 22:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
  • A or B: His face is covered up by his hand and the microphone in C. ― 
    Talk
    00:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
  • A is superior, not only of the three but also among very many non-free images I reviewed on the web. The lighting in B is so unprofessional and poor it does the subject the disservice of creating the impression of a skin discoloration disorder which is not accurate. And the camera flash, reflecting off his forehead, is distracting as well and unflattering. C might have a place within the article's body but it is not lead image worthy (at least not when A is available.--
    John Cline (talk
    ) 13:07, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
    Highly agree with this comment, as the unflattering lighting is the biggest reason that I'm turned off by the B image.
    talk to me
    18:32, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support B for same reasons as above. Patr2016 (talk) 18:07, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support A Although B has better lighting, it is almost 13 years old. C does not show his face enough. A is much more recent and I believe its quality is adequate. Coolcactus04 (talk) 20:12, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support B since A is blurry and C belongs more in the body of the article. B is the best of three. Some1 (talk) 02:30, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support B, Would Accept A, Explicitly Reject C - C is clearly not the best option we have, as it's tiny and makes it impossible to see the face clearly enough to recognize who is being talked about. Both A and B are a decent face shot, so I'd be fine with either... however, I feel that B better reflects his appearance closer to the height of his notability, and is slightly better lit. I'm not opposed to A by any means, but I support B. Fieari (talk) 06:46, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support B - For reasons that were already given. A is out of focus and generally of poor quality. C is a full body shot, which I don't automatically oppose, but his face is obstructed by his hand and is also not great quality-wise. B might be old but it seems to me the best one of the lot. PraiseVivec (talk) 13:04, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support A - B is way overexposed and is hitting 13 years old. A is not only more recent, but better lit and has more colour that portrays the subject better. Being a tad soft is much better than a hard camera flash the discolours portions of the subject's face. – Handoto (talk)
  • Support B, or else A but better and more recent pictures are recommended. He is an alive person and a well-known personality as well. Using decades-old photos makes no sense. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 15:45, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support A per Handoto. 2601:680:CB00:58FF:298C:9549:A607:841A (talk) 19:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Repeat !voting. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 22:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
  • Note: that the three IPs above (2601:680:CB00:58FF:298C:9549:A607:841A, 2601:680:cb00:58ff:a5a3:49fb:f6cb:79a0 and 2601:680:cb00:58ff:8937:21bd:a5ab:60c7) are the same person voting multiple times, and the other IP above (2001:1948:212:11d0:5d44:df02:4957:70f3) is very likely that same person. Some1 (talk) 12:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
    I've shuffled around the order of a few comments here to have the multiple !votes and discussion thereof in one place. This matter was brought
    AIV if needed. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed
    ] (she/they) 22:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support A D. None of the pictures are perfect but I agree with some of the previous comments about B being overexposed and unflattering. – Anne drew 20:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
    Vote updated – Anne drew 21:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Support A per Handoto. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 17:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support A or B and oppose C - His face is obscured in C and the focus of the image seems to be his outfit, not him. A is more recent and has better lighting than B, but his appearance has not substantially changed and B is a higher resolution image with more detail and a less distracting background. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 18:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support B - C is clearly bad, it barely even shows his face. The only problem with A is that it's too grainy. B is the only viable choice. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 05:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support B - best resolution. I'd be okay with A as well, but not C. not a good quality image. cookie monster 755 18:41, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support A - A is a fine, recent, well-lit photograph that mirrors the style used for contemporaries such as will.i.am and Pharrell. No reason to continue the usage of a photo from the 2000s when there are so many newer, quality photographs available. B is outdated and overexposed. dqortsky909 (talk) 05:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support B - A is too low quality and grainy while C doesn't show his face. It was fine the way it was, although I'll support a more recent photo of him that is higher quality. Darkster122 (talk) 04:23 01 February 2022 (UTC)
D
  • New option I've uploaded a slightly different frame from the same video that A was taken from. There are several more usable frames that could be pulled from the video, but I deemed that this was the most viable one (unfortunately, he's making this angry/bored (?) expression in all the well-lit frames where the top of his head isn't cropped out). Let's call it Option D. — Goszei (talk) 07:31, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
    Comment: I would support D over A, but my preference is still B (because D is still a bit blurry/low resolution).
    talk
    ) 14:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
  • B Vastly superior image quality when compared to A, C, and D in addition to better lighting and angle. Though A/D is more recent the vastly lower quality and lighting is not enough to justify changing it from B. It is suprising that no better free image of him has come up since 2009. Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 18:01, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: Image A is a screenshot taken from a YouTube video, is there possibly any better source for another image? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraminxsolver (talk • contribs) 23:26, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Support B - I've always thought that A looks unprofessional since it's a mere screenshot, and C would not be appropriate DecrepitlyOnward (he/they/she) (talk) 22:02, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Support A or D - both of those are nice photos of Kanye, but I do lean towards D because he is framed better in it. C really isn’t great because you can barely see his face. 209.171.88.190 (talk) 18:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Support B - Though the photo is more than a decade old by now, I think B is preferable to A or D due to the better resolution and his more alert expression. I like C on a personal level, but because Kanye's face is partially blocked, I think C is probably unsuitable as a lead image. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 22:36, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment This should be procedurally closed since there is now a new photo that could be considered better. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 08:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
    Which new photo,
    talk
    ) 14:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
@
Alduin2000: Option D was introduced well after the majority of participants had !voted. This discussion should be procedurally closed or declared no consensus. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk
) 04:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2022

2601:243:2:83F0:1C17:D31A:7584:759B (talk) 00:33, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Ye birth place is Chicago, IL
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:46, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
He was born in Atlanta, GA. He moved to Chicago, IL, when he was 3 years old and was raised there. Savagebeastboii (talk) 23:50, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2022

On the caption for the picture of Kanye West on the first page it says "West at the 2019 Met Gala". In reality, the photo was taken of West at the 2009 Tribeca Film Festival. Savagebeastboii (talk) 23:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done  melecie  t - 00:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

RfC: Change 'one of the most influential rappers' in lead to one of the most influential musical artists

West's influence extends far beyond rap, and several current musical acts have publicly expressed that they were influenced by him, or have multiple media outlets saying that their music is influenced by West (eg - Billie Eillish, Frank Ocean etc). He has a lot of influence in hip hop, but also on mainstream pop, RNB and other genres. I think we should change 'one of the most influential rappers of all time' to 'one of the most influential musical artists of all time'.

If that sounds too grandiose, 'one of the most influential musical artists of the 21st century' is also appriopriate. 59.93.255.148 (talk) 19:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Informal support. For all reasons listed above. 73.25.182.156 (talk) 18:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Kanye has been credited for changing of hip hop more than twice and influential in rap, R&B, pop music in general. This should be added in bio after his name. WHO & WHY PEOPLE CHANGING KANYE'S WIKI? His influence is undeniable Globglabglob (talk) 18:05, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2022

Add "Ray West (father)" to parents section 62.121.98.113 (talk) 18:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Ye Father

Add His Father Ray West 47.152.155.222 (talk) 05:27, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2022

Update to his number of Grammys. It is now 28, the joint second most of any artists, and the most of any rapper. 2603:7000:AC07:DAB:186:785E:1A9B:24C5 (talk) 20:29, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

No, he has 24 grammy as of April 2022. PaintedFlowers (talk) 02:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Stop removing this line

User:PaintedFlowers has removed "He is widely regarded as one of the greatest and most influential hip hop musicians of all time, as well as one of the greatest musicians of his generation." despite extensive discussion in the talk page supporting the inclusion of this line. Have added it back, please do not remove it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ackner2 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

I deleted it because the claim that he is "one of the greatest musicians of all time" as in, ever, is very controversial. Saying that he is one of the greatest influencers of his generation is different. I won't edit it now, but the way it was before was puffery. PaintedFlowers (talk) 02:54, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2022

Change "West has won 21 Grammys, he has the second most wins (21) and nominations (75) for a rapper (both behind Jay-Z)." to "West has won 24 Grammys, he is tied with the most wins (24) and the second most nominations (75) for a rapper (behind Jay-Z)." This text is in the awards and achievements section. Rabihsrolls (talk) 00:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Fixed. PaintedFlowers (talk) 02:55, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2022

Add to the religious beliefs paragraph:

"I’m going to be homeless in a year. I’m going to turn all the homes I own into churches."

"Maybe I’m the coach of all the leaders. […] But I am our leader. If you read in the Bible, God has ordained leaders. There are leaders, and there is a position in society for leaders."

from the conversation with artist Tino Sehgal, published in December 2021 in 032c magazine in print and May 2022 online.

[1] 2003:EA:6F0B:7B00:2D59:582:EF6A:D097 (talk) 11:33, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:49, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
I think parts of this interview should be added and are relevant to the paragraph about his religious beliefs. So, Add to Paragraph: Religious beliefs
Something along the lines of:
In December 2021, West declared himself a leader in a conversation with the artist Tino Sehgal published by the magazine 032c. His aspiration is to build "the first civilization that’s civil" and save humanity with his conversation partner and other artists. He claims to turn all of his own houses into churches in the following year and, as a result, be homeless . West also talks about metaphorically "killing" himself to make more room for god. https://032c.com/magazine/i-am-the-leader-ye-in-conversation-with-tino-sehgal 2003:EA:6F0B:7B00:2D59:582:EF6A:D097 (talk) 14:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://032c.com/magazine/i-am-the-leader-ye-in-conversation-with-tino-sehgal

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2022

Kanye is a singer (as well as a rapper, record producer, fashion designer, etc). 808s and Heartbreaks, for example, is one of his most well known albums and on the majority of it he is singing and not rapping. Deely1 (talk) 00:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

He should have Impact on Fashion section

https://stories.complex.com/kanye-west-changed-style 2A00:23C5:D2B0:4B01:3819:867B:9FC4:D694 (talk) 19:49, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

“Hip hop artist”

It should say he is regarded as one of the best artists of all time. Not “hip hop artist” Chefboyardie (talk) 15:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Donda West

Why does the paragraph about Kanye West his early life say Donda West served as his manager instead of worked as his manager? That sounds outdated and biased. 62.145.193.161 (talk) 13:48, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Same word we use for presidents. Somarain (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Digital singles sales

Kanye has sold 135m copies not 69m and has recently surpassed Taylor Swift in sales as of 23rd of september YeFor2024 (talk) 22:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Please
reliable sources that support the changes you propose. General Ization Talk
23:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2022

Hi. I would like to suggest that in the begining line of the article: Ye, born Kanye Omari West, better known by his birth name Kanye West, is an..." be reformatted to omit the repition of his birth name and to instead reflect the following: "Ye, better know by his birth name Kanye Omari West, is an...". 2600:100C:B24A:6EE0:175B:8ABB:F387:AAE5 (talk) 03:33, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: He isn't commonly known by his middle name, so that's not correct. NytharT.C 04:34, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Tucker Carlson interview

Under the Personal views section, should there also be some mention of material that was edited out (and leaked) from the original interview? For example, the fact that he said he is vaccinated, among other things? Here are some sources:

Thanks everyone, cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 01:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

If this is included, the interview with LeBron James's television show which will not be released for hate speech should be included as well. Trillfendi (talk) 19:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2022 (2)

For controversies, add the controversy where Kanye compared Planned Parenthood to the Holocaust museum: [1] RPI2026F1 (talk) 01:20, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a
"change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk
) 13:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Kanye West Doubles Down on Antisemitic Tropes, Rejects Invitation to Holocaust Museum". Haaretz. Retrieved 2022-10-17.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2022

For controversies, add the controversy where he claims George Floyd was killed by fentanyl:

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"change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk
) 13:12, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2022 (3)

Kanye West has described himself as conservative in his latest Parler announcement. [1] It would be good to put this in his personal views. Please change no info on this to "Kanye West described himself as conservative after purchasing Parler.[source]" Cable10291 (talk) 13:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC) Cable10291 (talk) 13:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't think he's purchased it yet, merely agreed to do so. 101.98.134.21 (talk) 03:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
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04:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Lead

"Born in Atlanta and raised in the predominantly white, middle-class suburb of Oak Lawn, Illinois"

WTF is this overwrought garbage, lol. Why is this suddenly relevant info for the lead, is it because of the recent controversy? Lol, you have to at least have sources that explain why something is notable for inclusion, especially when it might be contentious. I did a quick check on the TIME source and I couldn't find anything about Oak Lawn being "predominantly white, middle class" - is nobody fact checking additions at all? 101.98.134.21 (talk) 03:57, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Agreed.

Request: Remove "predominantly white" from the lead.

Use of the adverb "predominantly" is inaccurate here. According to 2020 US Census Bureau data, the population of Oak Lawn, IL is 66.8% White. According to the same source, the US population is 71% white. Consequently, the stress on this racial makeup of Ye's hometown as "predominantly" white is inaccurate. It is only "majority" white, and by a lesser margin than the average for the country. Proper use of "predominantly" requires an exceptional margin of dominance, not a below average margin. That said, the purpose of focusing on the racial makeup of Ye's hometown in the lead is suspicious on its face (as noted above). As I examine many other WP Bios, the percentage of people *not* of the individual's race is mentioned in the lead only when the circumstances are unusual. The demographic makeup of Oak Lawn, IL is not unusual in any way. Neither is the presence of a black child growing up there unusual. In other words, it is not a noteworthy detail. I therefore believe attention is drawn here to that racial make up in an effort to discredit Ye's standing among African Americans, by attacking his "street cred" through the implication that he was not raised in and among a typical black community. Since this "predominantly white" phrasing is unusual for bios and inaccurate on its face, and in consideration of the fact that the racial makeup of Oak Lawn is typical of US demographics in general, I'm recommending removal of the phrase from the lead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.197.37.230 (talk) 04:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

If it is encyclopedically relevant that Ye was born in a predominantly white, middle-class environment, I think it should not be at the beginning of the article but in the "Early life" section. Realxsalo (talk) 05:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


On examination, I recommend removal of "middle-class" as well from the lead.

Request: Remove the words "middle-class" from the lead entirely.

See: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/16000US1754820-oak-lawn-il/

I recommend removal of: "middle class", as it is superfluous and appears part of a recent bad faith edit by a controversial figure's detractors. The median household income in Oak Lawn, IL is $69,352, as compares to the average for the entire state of IL: $68,428, and of the greater Chicago Metro Area: $74,621. That amount barely crosses the threshold for "middle class", therefore stressing it in the lead seems non-sequitur, superfluous at best, and doesn't pass the smell test. It appears intentionally included along with "predominantly white" for bad faith purposes.

Also neither source mentions Oak Lawn. The time source says “suburban Chicago” and the Ebony source says “chicago's south side in a decidedly middle class environment”. I also question the intent of an editor changing the original wording. RF23 (talk) 12:00, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
″If it is encyclopedically relevant that Ye was born in a predominantly white, middle-class environment, I think it should not be at the beginning of the article but in the "Early life" section″
I wholeheartedly agree. Everyone who cares about this information already knows to go to the Early Life section, and clearly that is Wikipedia's policy. The Early Life section is where you find out the most important information (on these matters). 126.156.173.77 (talk) 13:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Lead

I believe the lead read the following for the past two years - 'He is widely regarded as one of the greatest and most influential hip hop musicians of all time, as well as one of the greatest musicians of his generation.'


This lead has been extensively debated and agreed on. The New lead is now 'He is one of the most critically-acclaimed artists of the 21st century, and regarded as one of the most influential hip hop artists of all time'.

Not only is the new one grammatically incorrect (missing an 'is' before regarded, it also is less appropriate. Critical acclaim is not so important, West is regarded as a great musician beyond the opinions of critics. Additionally I think the hip hop part should come first and the musician part second, establishing that he is a hip hop artist first

We should revert to the old lead. 129.22.21.196 (talk) 18:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

No but he doesn't have the right political views so we should definitely not say anything about him being great or influential in the lead anymore. It would be dangerous. 86.153.147.225 (talk) 21:37, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 October 2022

Change musician to musicians in the introduction paragraph discussing his welath.

It should be plural. 70.172.159.27 (talk) 02:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 03:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Please include his recent Chris Cuomo interview

It was during this interview where he made a "Jewish underground media mafia" claim and was now officially confronted by an interviewer.[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Speakfor (talk • contribs) 11:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Name change

Why did they switch his name back from ye? 2001:569:746F:C700:8B63:789C:4963:CA92 (talk) 20:08, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Because that's his legal name now. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 22:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
This article is primarily about Kanye West, before he legally changed his name. Names such as "The Louis Vuitton Don", "Konman", "Yeezy" and "Ye" were at the time merely nicknames. --Bejnar (talk) 14:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Deadnaming is hostile. All current and past references should refer to he/him as "Ye". 75.61.99.105 (talk) 03:05, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia
WP:COMMONNAME applies here. A diehard editor (talk | edits
) 12:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Also, doesn't the term "deadname" generally (or mostly?) only apply when in reference to name changes by transgender folks? Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 18:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
This. Kanye is not transgender, so the term "deadname" is simply just wrong in this context. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 18:46, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Right, that's what I thought. Thanks for the clarification. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 20:52, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
So
WP:COMMONNAME applies here. --Bejnar (talk
) 15:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Kanye is his slave name. Please refer to him as "Ye". Otherwise this article is racist. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.156.173.77 (talk) 13:13, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Slave name? I didn't know first names could be slave names. I thought those were only surnames. סשס Grimmchild. He/him, probably 08:07, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Maybe the other IP editor is speaking metaphorically? Like, "Kanye" is his corporate media slave name? Kinda like how
TAFKAP wrote "slave" on their face in protest of the record label? Ha, who knows. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk
) 08:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Why are we starting to drift off-topic again? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 08:45, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Good point! Apologies. 98.155.8.5 (talk) 18:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

"preppy fashion"

Please, link to preppy. 91.54.19.21 (talk) 10:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Apologized?

Did he really fully apologized? That sounded like a half-apology to me. –

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13:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

It seems there was probably not a legit apology, not really. Checkout the Rolling Stone article:
Piers Morgan Praises Kanye West's Apology for Antisemitic Remarks Moments After Rapper Said He Was 'Absolutely Not' Sorry
PIERS MORGAN WENT from condemning to fawning over Kanye West in a new interview that will air on Wednesday on his Piers Uncensored show, praising the rapper even after West said he was "absolutely not" sorry for his antisemitic remarks ... As Morgan tries to call out West on his antisemitic remarks and that it is racism, West denies it. "Do you now regret saying 'death con 3 on Jewish people' ... Are you sorry you said that?"
Kanye: "No... Absolutely not." The clip then cuts to him saying, "I will say I'm sorry for the people that I hurt with the Defcon [comment], the confusion that I caused. I felt like I caused hurt and confusion. And I'm sorry for the families of the people that had nothing to do with the trauma that I have been through."
It then cuts to Morgan praising him for his sort-of apology. "That shows you've got that ability to be self-aware, to understand when you cross a line. I think someone like you with all your energy and creativity and your passion. You're gonna say stuff," Morgan adds, giving West a pass, despite the rapper not really apologizing for what he actually said. "The way you talk constantly in such an extraordinary manner, you're gonna trip up, you're gonna say things the wrong way."
So, even the source calls it a "half-apology" and says "the rapper [was] not really apologizing for what he actually said". Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 22:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Exactly what I thought. thanks for finding a source 👍. –
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12:38, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Lead

Current lead has now become "He is a critically acclaimed musical artist of the early 21st century and regarded as one of the most influential hip hop artists of all time." Seriously guys? In response to someone else bringing this up recently, a response was "No but he doesn't have the right political views so we should definitely not say anything about him being great or influential in the lead anymore. It would be dangerous."

I'm reverting the lead to what it's been for years, and also think editing should be tightened for this article. Ackner2 (talk) 07:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Donda Sports

Apparently "Donda Sports" is a thing? I only know this because Aaron Donald and Jaylen Brown are leaving it. [3] – Muboshgu (talk) 23:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Article should be extended - protected

PLEASE STOP MESSING WITH THE LEAD

I've reverted it to what it's been for years. Please refer to this article's talk page to see the consensus for that lead. Please stop editing it. This is blatant vandalism. Ackner2 (talk) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Abortion claims

The article includes Ye’s assertions that “there are more Black babies being aborted than born in NYC” and that “50% of Black death in the USA is abortion”. I’m pretty sure both of those statistics are inaccurate (or, at the very least, outdated). If a public figure is spreading misinformation, doesn’t Wikipedia have an obligation to debunk it rather than simply propagating it without giving the facts? 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:121B (talk) 21:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I imagine those numbers are bogus so I deleted it. His views on abortion are covered elsewhere in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
@2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:121B: We would need a source for that. If there are any stories that have highlighted misinformation and done the necessary fact-checking, then Ye's claims about abortion numbers could perhaps receive some critical analysis in the article here. Otherwise, it is just Ye's claims, and things he has said, without any wikivoice actually asserting anything about the truth value of such statements.
The significance of what he is claiming, however, is a sort of pro-life,
black genocide/erasure conspiracy theory, akin to (but a reversal of) the Great Replacement conspiracy theory in the United States. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk
) 23:12, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Some recent sources on this:
Kanye West Claims '50% of Black People' Die Due to Abortion, Blames 'Jewish Record Labels' (Billboard)
While there is not verifiable support for West’s claims about abortion, a 2021 national survey from In Our Own Voice: National Black Women’s Reproductive Justice Agenda reported that 80% of Black Americans say abortion should be legal, regardless of their personal views.
Ye Says Abortion and Lizzo's Weight Linked to 'Genocide of the Black Race' (Newsweek)
It's unclear where Ye got his statistics from, but Newsweek couldn't find a study to back up his claim. According to a 2011 Abortion Surveillance Report issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 474 abortions per 1,000 live births in the Black community.
Kanye West Claims About Abortion: What We Do Know, What We Don't (Newsweek)
Social media responded to Ye's claims with some describing the statistics as "fact" and others such as attorney Michael Corona saying abortion was "a form of eugenics to keep down the black population" ... "Abortion is the silent genocide of black Americans and the Democrats protect it, fund it, and will do anything to force it to continue," tweeted Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia. But others argued it was "not even an accurate statistic" and pointed to research to give greater context as to why Black women have abortions at higher rates than other ethnic groups in the U.S.

So are Ye's comments about abortion in New York and black mortality across the United States correct? Newsweek Fact Check looks at the evidence ... According to 2019 data from the New York City Health Department, 20,053 (see page 74) Black women gave birth to babies that year, while 17,665 (see page 71) had induced abortions. The data was gathered by the city's Summary of Vital Statistics. Newsweek also checked previous years' data and found that more Black women gave birth than had terminations in 2017 and 2018. But that trend was the opposite in 2016 with a little more than 23,000 women having abortions compared to 22,465 births. The same applied in the years 2013 to 2015, with more induced terminations occurring in Black patients than births in the same demographic. So Ye was referring to outdated information when making his comments. Additionally, some experts have argued those numbers don't tell the whole story. Data shows Black women have more unintended pregnancies than any other ethnic group in the U.S. and are therefore more likely to seek out abortions, according to research by the Guttmacher Institute.
Well, there it is. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 02:50, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2022

change "West lost a number of sponsors and partnerships, including Adidas, in October 2022, as a result of antisemitic comments." to "West lost a number of sponsors and partnerships, including Adidas, in October 2022, as a result of controversial comments." 68.41.38.57 (talk) 14:38, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Why would we water this down? – Muboshgu (talk) 15:31, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Update to lead

Hello everyone. Should his latest string controversial remarks which have been considered

anti-semitic be included in the lead? As well as the significant reactions and terminations from his collaborations with Vogue, CAA, Balenciaga, Adidas, and The Gap? Also should we update the fact that the lead states he's a billionaire, when he is no longer one due to the significant loss of his earnings from said collaborations? Thoughts? I suppose this might come across as an example of Recentism but it's also making national news, across every publication. Not sure how he would earn back those relationships without significant work on his part.The One I Left (talk
) 19:49, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I do this it is important to talk about it (however, possibly in the future) as he has said incredible stupid things before. Yet, this is the first time that companies and people seem to finally take notice. But honestly the whole lead needs to be written The Introvert Next To You (talk) 12:22, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Totally AgreeThe One I Left (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2022 (2)

He was born in Douglasville, Georgia. Not Atlanta. 98.252.236.174 (talk) 00:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:02, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2022

This entry uses Ye's former name extensively. It should be updated and his legal name should be used. 76.20.186.149 (talk) 05:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2022

Please change Sketchers to Skechers (spelt wrong, as you can see when you click to open its Wiki page).

Done. --Mvqr (talk) 10:34, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2022 (3)

Please change 'with the company saying they were "not considering and has no intention of working with West"' to 'with the company saying it was "not considering and has no intention of working with West"' (number agreement). 2001:BB6:4734:5658:7D62:62CF:E816:7EE0 (talk) 15:13, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Done. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 15:21, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Anti Semitic tweet and category addition

Can we wait for other sources or see what becomes of this? We are not the news or tabloid and not sure if we should include every tweet that receives coverage. The subject says and tweets alot of stuff. Thoughts? Malerooster (talk) 14:43, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

I think
WP:WEIGHT is getting met. – Muboshgu (talk
) 16:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
I personally dont see how adding 1-2 sentences about this issue could possibly be a problem, just a quick summary will suffice Kala7992 (talk) 09:53, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Kanye's Instagram restricted after antisemitic posts - NPR
Instagram Restricts Kanye West’s Account Following Backlash Over Alleged Antisemitic Post, West Responds With Disturbing Tweets - Variety
Instagram restricted Ye's account after 'anti-Jewish' post - NBC News
Kanye West Threatens to Go ‘Death Con 3 on Jewish People’ Haaretz
Kanye West’s Instagram Account Restricted After Being Criticized for Anti-Semitic Post - Rolling Stone
Twitter Locks Kanye West’s Account After Post About Jewish People - Forbes
I also think we should call the tweets antisemitic in wikivoice. They're widely described as such in reliable sources. CJ-Moki (talk) 21:33, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Would it be also acceptable to include his promotion of the often anti semitic Black Hebrew Israelites theory in this section? He mentions that he can't be called anti semitic becuase "black people are actually JEW".--JaacTreee (talk) 11:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Being bold...I'm creating a subsection for the anti-Semitism. This is no longer an isolated incident and West implied this week that this would contiue, saying, "You really influenced me to get on this anti-Semite vibe and, you know, I'm here to finish the job. I'm here to not back down. They should've never let you...get money." Dmarquard (talk) 01:39, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
I would take this one step further and argue that his recent antisemitic outbursts deserve a mention in the lede and perhaps a category. Kanye has made other extremely proactive statements and actions before, but the sheer level of controversy, ending of partnerships, and anti-Semitic incidents that have occurred because of his actions (the Kanye is Right About the Jews poster immediately comes to mind), is unprecedented. With other incidents, Kanye has apologized and backed down, but considering how virulently he intends to spread his beliefs, I believe that it has become a defining characteristic, one that is impossible to ignore in any serious biography of West's life. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 22:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Antisemitism sidebar

I think {{Antisemitism sidebar}} should be included in the antisemitism subsection. The template is used on several other articles for personalities known for using antisemitic rhetoric (see: Baked Alaska, Louis Farrakhan, Henry Ford, and others). West's usage of antisemitic rhetoric is well-sourced. CJ-Moki (talk) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Not the place for a giant link spam template with zero information on the subject. He's not on the same level as the others. Personally think a lead template of this nature should not be added to bios at all. We link the main article....this over side navigation temp that overwhelms the section is simply undue and of little value about learning about this person that the main article link doesn't provide. Moxy- 02:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
I agree with Moxy. Be mindful of the
WP:RECENTISM. He's been an antisemite publicly before. There's a lot of famous antisemites in history who aren't in that sidebar; should we add them all to it? The biography section on a sidebar has to be limited to people notable for that thing, and Kanye's notable for his music a#1. – Muboshgu (talk
) 02:53, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Disagree: If the section on West's antisemitism grew large enough to stand as its own article linked from West's main article, the sidebar would be very appropriate there; however, in the middle of the current article, it loses its main purpose as a navigation aid and is awkward. spongeworthy93 talk  02:54, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
I do concur if there's a standalone article about this topic. But bios not the place for lead navigation templates.
WP:BIDIRECTIONAL causes mass link spam in BIOS.... and is why most academic topics ignore it.... not that this articles is academic. Moxy-
03:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Yé

"Ye" would be pronounced "yee" without the apostrophe; not "yay". Sure, Mr. West is not the smartest person on Earth, but at least Wikipedia should have a remark on the proper pronunciation/wrong spelling. 2003:D5:D724:1300:69B1:4EDB:B12F:604C (talk) 13:09, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

It comes from his first name. Unless you are saying that it should be pronounced Kanyee as well? 205.175.97.199 (talk) 03:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
  1. ^ "Kanye West claims George Floyd died by fentanyl; Floyd's family considers lawsuit". New York Daily News. Retrieved 2022-10-17.
  2. ^ Kreps, Daniel; Kreps, Daniel (2022-10-16). "Kanye West Blames George Floyd's Death on Fentanyl, Not Police Officer's Knee". Rolling Stone. Retrieved 2022-10-17.
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