Talk:Kejawèn

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"There is no emphasis on eschatology (ie. life after death, heaven or hell, devils or angels)."

The sentence is a little bit misleading. Although they are rarely speaking about eschatology, they have their own eschatology. Most of them have the concept muksa (disappear) or manunggal (unification, physically and mentally with God). In their concept, if someone did not do any good deed and created chaos, when he/she die, his/her spirit (ruh) will not return to God. Instead, his/her ruh will go astray. Kunderemp 06:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article desperately need refs of some sort - this info dosnt all come from the ether!

User:SatuSuro 10:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Two external links on this page have been blacklisted. I went to them quickly and they didn't seem inappropriate, but I put them in parentheses until they are whitelisted or somebody understands why and removes them. Rigadoun (talk) 23:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Will catchup later on this one

Evolution

The section about evolution did not refer to it in any way, so it has been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chasnor15 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whole article is written uncited with no third party sources or anything of any semblance of a wikified article -( which is quite in line with usual vague writings of javanese kebatinan practitioners ) - also it is unencylopediac - and should it be challenged it needs a lot of work - so taking any single part is pointless - it either needs a complete re-write with citations or simply left alone - to take out a part that doesnt make sense will see incremental removal of each section. As for influences on the kebatinan movement - there is a complex argument for the syncretic nature of the culture and religious which requires more explaining than the usual tourist guide which usually just goes for a grab bag of hindu buddhist influence - that is too broad for the issues that are involved - if you disagree with me please take the issue to the noticeboard at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia - thanks

Satusuro, Do you think we can use Serat Chenthini as reference of Kejawen? However, the kind of Kejawen in Serat Chentini is Kejawen which is mixed/wrapped with Moslem teaching (as one expert call it moslem in Java is like transparent blanket where we still can see HIndu and Buddha teaching in it and which is one of the most confusing layers of how Javanese like to blend new faith into 'ambiguous religion'. If we want to find sources of 'true kejawen' we must dig older scripture which is not being 'touched' by any moslem writer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryTrv (talk • contribs) 06:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just changed the wording a little. The 'Javanese mind' sounded too orientalist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.0.77.240 (talk) 07:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved "Javanese beliefs" to "Kebatinan", since that is is the Indonesian term. It seems to me that this does do more justice to this tardition. "javanese beliefs" has got ca. 46.700 Google-hits (707 in Google-books), while "Kebatinan" has 6.720.000 Google-hits (270.000 in Google-books). Greetings, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kejawèn is a better term, it is the native Javanese term. As this concern the Javanese belief, the native Javanese term should be used. This term is also listed in the Javanese-English dictionary by Stuart Robson & Singgih Wibisono (2002:sv Jawa, Jawi). Kebatinan is actually based on an Arabic word batin. Besides Kebatinan yields 946,000 results and Kejawen more than 1,5 millions. Meursault2004 (talk) 21:54, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"Nowadays there are Christian communities, mostly Reformed in the larger cities, though some rural areas of south-central Java are strongly Roman Catholic." Will the writer or anybody help? Please. I'm now translating this article into traditional Chinese. Thanks again.ThomasYehYeh (talk) 00:30, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please help provide citations to the sections of ===Malaysia=== and ===Singapore===, too. Thanks for your kind attention.ThomasYehYeh (talk) 01:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1.Central and eastern hemisphere of Java - What does hemisphere stand for here? does that mean only certain parts of Central and eastern practice Kejawèn? 2. I have problem to appreciate why mainly Bagongan Javanese is used. I searched on the Net and found that Bagongan language is known as the language for every abdi dalem in the Yogyakarta Palace, it seems that this language might have been limited in an area such as Yogyakarta only. Thank you for your kind attention.ThomasYehYeh (talk) 12:49, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]