Talk:Kyiv strikes (2022–present)

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2023 Kyiv airstrikes

I disagree with having a separate article for the 16 May 2023 attacks on Kyiv. We cannot have pages for every single separate attack on every single Ukrainian major city. This article should serve as a catch-all for these events in the same function that other articles like

2022–2023 bombing of Odesa serve. Furthermore, that airstrike was not the only in 2023, so the title is ambiguous. Super Ψ Dro 08:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply
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As far as I know these airstrikes were remarkable because Ukraine downed for the first time all the russian missiles and drones. That and russian claims that they destroyed a Patriot system. I think these can be easily integrated into a wider article. Super Ψ Dro 14:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support as an improvement. (You mean turn this list into an article?) Reducing the atomization of this subject is positive, but both of these should be represented in or just merged into the parent article
2022–2023 Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure
, previously also named:
  • 2022–2023 Russian strikes against Ukraine
  • 2022–2023 Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure
  • 2022 Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure
  • October–November 2022 nationwide missile strikes on Ukraine
  • Late-2022 Russian strikes on Ukraine infrastructure
  • October–November 2022 nationwide missile strikes on Ukraine
 —Michael Z. 14:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My proposal was to merge both articles, that 16 May article into this list. Though I'd also support turning this list into the article format as done with other Ukrainian cities. I think the topic of the bombing of Kyiv is notable. In theory it should be more notable than the bombing of any other Ukrainian city like Odesa or Lviv which do have their own articles. Super Ψ Dro 14:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No argument that this wave attack was a notable one, or that it deserves its own article if coverage in RS supports it. My lament is that the only candidate for an umbrella article on Russian mass missile and drone attacks is not comprehensive.  —Michael Z. 14:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was suggesting a 2022–2023 bombing of Kyiv, not a 16 May 2023 Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure. Super Ψ Dro 14:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That’s what I thought. Now clearer with the proposed title. (I meant that summary-style more-specific articles are still always fine when warranted, but they should all belong to summary umbrellas.) Thanks.  —Michael Z. 15:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (

MaterialWorks ping me! 23:17, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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2022 bombing of Kryvyi Rih, etc.. Super Ψ Dro 10:40, 1 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 22:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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The word "bomb" is meaningless for the defending and attacking purposes. To effectively intercept and destroy them, the air defense should know whether it's an aviation bomb, a ballistic missile, a cruise missile or a drone. A low-flying kamikaze drone can be destroyed by simple machine gun fire, a falling aviation bomb much less so. For what it's worth, the
bombers against Kyiv during the invasion. Brandmeistertalk 09:15, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
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I understand your point, perhaps a new terminology should be applied to all of those kinds of articles. Considering however that this article marks the exception right now among its kind, including in its list format with which I disagree, I think the easiest way of improving the encyclopedia through this RM is establishing consistency. I am open to other suggestions using more appropriate wording, but this should not be kept like a list as no other article of this topic is one. Super Ψ Dro 18:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can support something like 2022–2023 attacks on Kyiv or 2022–2023 airstrikes against Kyiv. But then, of course, more prose would be required to replace the current list format. Brandmeistertalk 18:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Attacks" would not be a good option due to the article Battle of Kyiv (2022) existing. No opinion regarding the use of "airstrikes". Still that proposal is closer to my proposed title than the current one, so I believe it could be said we're moving closer to a consensus to drop the current list format. I just realized that not all the articles of this kind use "bombing" anyway, though always the "2022–2023 whatever of city", so even if my proposed title ended up being adopted I would not be opposed to a new proposal shortly afterwards for dropping "bombing", if one is not attained here.
My point here is that this RM will probably lead to an improvement of the situation even if not the ideal outcome. Super Ψ Dro 23:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with the airstrikes option—blindlynx 23:13, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They are not. In military parlance a bomb is an aerial gravity bomb or mortar bomb. It does not mean any explosive or any munition. A guided missile strike is not usually called a bombing.
The word strike is more commonly used to include artillery, aviation, rocket, missile, and drone strikes.  —Michael Z. 20:04, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wonder if "shelling" could be a more appropriate option. Super Ψ Dro 17:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 25 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Kyiv strikes (2022–present). (closed by non-admin page mover) — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Airstrikes on Kyiv (2022–present). Teterev53 (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Strong support "Bombing of *city*", strongly oppose "airstrikes on *city*". 90.255.19.247 (talk) 07:31, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Any or most of the strikes covered in this article were not bombing nor air strikes. The proposal does not serve the
WP:CRITERION of precision.  —Michael Z. 16:05, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Alt proposition: strikes

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Merge Kyiv shopping centre bombing

I think we should further expand the article, making it similar to other articles on bombings in Ukraine, this includes changing the title and format, as well as merging this article into here, if anyone has an idea, feel free to post here. SnoopyBird (talk) 21:22, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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