Talk:List of active Russian Navy ships

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Fixing problems with the list

Compared to other similar military list articles, this one is relatively well sourced. However, it's too long, it's a mess, and it's hard to maintain. This list could be helping readers, but instead it wastes their time and confuses them.

I intend to trim some content which isn't actually about active Russian Navy ships. There are lots of other articles covering planned ships, proposed ships, cancelled ships, and Ships Which Will Definitely Be Delivered Next Year, We Promise. Future of the Russian Navy also provides a good overview of those. But they're not active Russian Navy ships, so they don't belong on this list of active Russian Navy ships, and removing this clutter will help editors focus their attention on the article's other problems. 2A02:C7E:1028:F700:1C1E:FE71:3EB5:84C5 (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does anybody have any better suggestions? I'm not sure that adding unsourced content & filler back in, and removing maintenance tags, is the best way to fix this article's problems. 2A02:C7E:1028:F700:A1C6:14AE:30A0:8DA0 (talk) 13:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What specifically do you propose to get rid of? Majority of the ships in the 'In Service' table should be accurate, and I think vessels under construction should be kept. 'Ships and submarines in reserve' should probably go, since it's difficult to find accurate sources for them and their current status. IvtI 09 (talk) 10:21, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good point! It's important to clear out the unsourced stuff and placeholders (we don't need neatly structured tables full of "TBC", that should be a single sentence of prose); also, it's probably wise to be sceptical about old forward-looking statements with no more recent source - if an old source says "We plan to build/refit/relaunch the ship by 2016" and there's no later source boasting about the ship actually being built/refitted/relaunched, then we shouldn't use wikipedia's voice to say it's an active ship, because these projects almost always overrun or get cancelled. 2A02:C7E:1028:F700:196F:D4C0:BFF1:7F69 (talk) 15:16, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I think unless the vessel is either under construction or has been ordered, it shouldn't be included on the page. Here's an example to illustrate the difference:
Two project 955A strategic missile submarines will be laid down at the Sevmash enterprise in 2023. "Next year, we expect the signing of a contract for the construction of another pair of strategic missile carriers of the Borei-A project. Their laying should take place at Sevmash in 2023," This probably should be included, it's a clear definitive goal and basically an official order in all but name.
In December 2021, Andrey Yelchaninov stated in an interview that the construction of a new aircraft carrier is being considered for the new State Armament Program for 2024-2033. This shouldn't be included; it's vague, not accurate, and nowhere near being an official order. Same principle for things like this, which rarely tend to be accurate or go to plan: The deputy CEO for military shipbuilding of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Vladimir Korolyov, stated that design of the ship would in fact be completed in 2023 with the first ship expected to be laid down in 2024. He said that 12 vessels were planned IvtI 09 (talk) 11:17, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While working on the article, you could also drop the US Navy hull classification abbreviations (e.g. SSBN) as those are not used by the Russian Navy; see similar discussion about PLAN. Tupsumato (talk) 08:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Patrol boat, Mangust class (down from 62)

Mangust-class patrol boat says that one was sold to a civilian. Also, that article says that it is also a Coast Guard vessel. In that case it seems, that all of the 61 boats owned by the government - can not be in the Navy. Anyone should perhaps make appropriate changes. Thanks. 89.8.93.212 (talk) 19:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Landing ship, Ropucha class, Minsk

Ropucha class landing ship (Project 775) Minsk may have been destroyed on dock at the Sevastopol naval base on 12 September 2023 by a Ukrainian missile strike. Cosmicaug (talk) 17:52, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2024

Remove Caesar Kunikov (Pennant number 158) from this list as it has been destroyed and is no longer active. References can be seen on its own Wikipedia page. TEirTE (talk) 08:59, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Just saying the location of the sources is not enough, you need to provide the sources in your edit request. Shadow311 (talk) 15:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please add class "Project 865"

Project 865 are Hydrographic survey vessel of the Russian Navy. They are used also as escort vessel of submarines. Most known is Sibiryakov (IMO 8640404). --Shipyard 061 (talk) 11:49, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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