Talk:Lon Horiuchi

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noindex

I see no Wikipedia article suggesting that noindex should be used for controversial articles,

Wikipedia:NOINDEX_of_noticeboards
not withstanding.

Also, this page is the top google hit for a search on Lon Horiuchi even today, so the stated reason for the edit seems ineffective.

TJIC (talk) 18:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

deletion question

What exactly IS the cause for deletion for this article? you can't just slap on a "deletion" box without giving a reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.106.151 (talk)

Well, you could take the time to read the deletion notice, which links to the reasoning and the deletion discussion. For your convenience, the rationale and ensuing discussion can be found here. MastCell Talk 04:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not everyday somebody reportedly kills 2 persons and get's a jail free just because is a federal employee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.126.10.233 (talk) 22:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the Rothschilds don't like it it gets deleted from Wikipedia. If you want to learn any truth on Wiki you better search in Spanish, or any language other than English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.162.4.7 (talk) 14:15, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Contextual Facts

Why do people keep removing the fact that the shot Mr. Horiuchi made on Vicki Weaver was taken while she was unarmed and holding her infant child? This context is crucial to understanding why manslaughter charges were brought against him (as opposed to if she'd been holding a gun, for example). Let us not forget that she was behind a door and Horiuchi literally didn't know what he was shooting at. Aren't snipers supposed to know what they're shooting at? They certainly taught us that at summer camp when I was a kid.

Fact from lede

I have removed a couple sentences from the lede per WP:BLP. I will remove the other unsourced sentence unless a reference to a

CBM · talk) 17:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Similarly, per
WP:BLP, court transcripts need to be used carefully. It's not OK to pull items out of court transcripts and highlight them unless those items have been highlighted by reliable secondary sources. I've pared back the court-transcript citations - in any case, the article should be based on what reliable secondary sources have to say, not on editorial selections from lengthy court transcripts. MastCell Talk 18:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply
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I'd love to see a neutral summary of the court transcripts, but agree that things like the "pancake" scene are just bizarre and out of place. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 20:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence about Soldier of Fortune has two problems. I don't doubt that he appeared in the magazine, though. The first problem is the reference, which is not a reliable source. The second is that the lack of explanation or context seems to give unue weight to his mere appearance, without explaining what was said or why he was included. How about a ref to the actual appearance in the magazine? — Carl (

CBM · talk) 20:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply
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The fact that Outpost of Freedom hates Horiuchi is not enough reason to dispute using them as a reference for the fact he appeared in the magazine. If you can add better context, by all means please do so - but don't simply delete a neutral fact based on the fact its reference is not neutral. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 20:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The fact is not neutral - it invites the reader to speculate on the purpose of his appearance, and is sourced to a clearly partisan site. Moreover, this entire sentence seems to be a trivia item, hardly relevant without further explanation. If you want to include it, we need to explain why he appeared, and have a reliable source. — Carl (
CBM · talk) 20:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply
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My improvement to the ref was supposed to be switching to use a direct link to US News. I omitted the author's name by mistake. — Carl (
CBM · talk) 20:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Agree with CBM. Why is the mere fact he was in the magazine important? It's not even verifiable. Which issues was he in? Was he clip art, a letter to the editor, advertising? This claim is sub-junk, and totally out of line for a BLP. Cool Hand Luke 02:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLP

I've removed two items per

Wikipedia:Blp#Sources. There is no way that Outpost of Freedom qualifies as a usable source for a biography of Horiuchi. MastCell Talk 21:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply
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Image to be deleted

This has already been tagged. No source information was given, but it appears to be the same scan supposedly from Soldier of Fortune, thus is not even a reliable photo of him. I'm totally unimpressed with the rationales that were offered. Cool Hand Luke 02:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In any case, we don't use nonfree images of living people for their infobox photos to identify living people. — Carl (
CBM · talk) 02:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply
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"was involved" vs. "killed Vicki Weaver"

The only reason why Horiuci is noteworthy is because he killed Vicki Weaver, who was unarmed and carrying an infant at the time Horiuchi killed her. There were other FBI Agents on-scene at Ruby Ridge who were also "involved", and none of them merit Wikipedia Articles, and the only other reason Horiuchi is noteworthy is because the charge of manslaughter against him was dropped. Lon Horiuchi shot and killed an unarmed woman named Vicki Weaver while she was holding an infant, and Horichi was charged with manslaughter, and the charge was dropped. That's why he's noteworthy and no other reason. His "involvment" is not noteworthy. The fact that he killed Vicki Weaver is the reason why he is noteworthy.

Wikipedia's characterization of the act of Horiuchi killing Vicki Weaver is an example of anti-white bias, as it minimizes what happened, and reduces the signficiant act of killing an unarmed woman to merely being present, and "involved". He killed her. That's the point this Article seeks to avoid saying, and in the very first sentence of the Lede. I do not believe this is an accident or oversight, but instead is a blatant and obvious effort to manipulate and misinform Wikipedia readers. The Ruby Ridge incident is extremely well-known and this characterization of the event is in direct contradiction to the Public awareness and common knowledge, and that is not an accident. Eric Chauvin was "involved" in the death of George Floyd, and George Zimmerman was "involved" in the death of Trayvon Martin. How long does anyone think those two assertions would last in the first sentence of the Lede in their Wikipedia Articles? Less than 5 minutes.

The fact that this statement has endured for as long as it has in an Article about an event that is a rallying point for White Nationalists and anti-government conservatives clearly demonstrates Wikipedia's anti-white bias.68.206.248.178 (talk) 06:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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