Talk:Metropolitan Fresno

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Does "Metropolitan Fresno" actually exist? Honestly.

• The article is completely unreferenced.
• I can't find any trace of either "Metropolitan Fresno" or "Greater Fresno" and the word census on any Federal government site.
• I see a mention of the
  Table of United States Combined Statistical Areas, but it's only a redirect to Fresno, California. OTOH, this sounded incorrect to me, so I've changed the redirect to go to Fresno County, California
  instead.
• According to the
  Madera, CA MSA
  . (Note that the MSAs though, are only redirects to the related county articles).
• The communities in
  Fresno-Madera, CA CSA
  .
• No federal-level references are given for the population stats, either here, at the
  Fresno-Madera, CA CSA population may simply be the sum of the populations of Fresno County, California and Madera County, California
  .
• I can't find anything on WP outside of this one editor's contribution that refer to the
  Fresno-Madera, CA CSA
  as either "Metropolitan Fresno" or "Greater Fresno."
• The Madera County, California article's only references to Fresno are as an adjacent county.

Why do we need to jam the two counties together? And why then give that combination a name that isn't used anywhere else? Unless some refs are added to show that there really is a non-marketing entity named "Metropolitan Fresno" or "Greater Fresno," I think this isn't adding anything to WP.

In the meantime, given that the article currently claims that "Metropolitan Fresno" is just a term for the

User:Moalli reverted my change, but without any discussion here or on his talk page.

He did add what I guess he thought were references (see below): a link to the census Web site and its population estimates search pages; a link to a Fresno-area Chamber of Commerce; an IRS page referring to the city of Fresno as "Metropolitan Fresno"; and a link to a University of California project which described itself as the "California Subject Matter Project (CSMP) is a statewide network of subject-specific professional development programs for teachers"—none of which strike me as actual third-party sources on anything.

External links

• United States Census Bureau
  • U.S. population estimates
• Greater Fresno Area Chamber of Commerce website
• IRS website designating Fresno and surrounding area as "Metropolitan Fresno"
• California Subject Matter Project article on Greater Fresno

As it's apparantly important to this editor that this page exist (although no reason has been given to why), I figured I'd start trying to turn it into the

Fresno-Madera, CA CSA

article, which actually does have a reason to be. When it's in a little better shape, the next step is to get the actual page (now a redirect) deleted, and then this page renamed to that.

User:Moalli, if you're reading this, how about helping instead of just reverting? Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 09:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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