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Spotify Acquisition?

Greetings fellow Wikipedians

The article currently says that Spotify acquired the music streaming service form Microsoft. While Groove is being discontinued, I do not believe that Spotify acquired any actual assets from Microsoft rather there was an agreement between Microsoft and Spotify for Spotify to be Microsoft's music streaming service. The article also states that this change in service providers is a "spin off" which also doesn't properly reflect the events that have taken place. GerlachBP (talk) 19:16, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, but not for the reasons you asked. Most importantly, Groove is not being discontinued. According to Groove Music and Spotify: FAQ, only the Music Pass streaming service is discontinued. People without a Music Pass subscription will notice nary a change.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 10:34, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clarification and making changes. GerlachBP (talk) 19:13, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mixed reality

The Windows store now has a separate hub for mixed reality applications.[1] The windows store is also now accessible in mixed reality via the cliff house. I believe this update should be reflected under Windows 10 due to its significance with Windows store's future utilization. GerlachBP (talk) 20:36, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why was this contribution removed? No explanation was given. GerlachBP (talk) 03:48, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Devine, Richard (17 October 2017). "First batch of Windows Mixed Reality apps and games hits the Store". Windows Central. Retrieved 24 October 2017.

Hasty name update?

Hello, everyone

To most of the Wikipedia veterns, the situation we have here is very familiar: A potential name change is announced or rumored, and someone hastily tries to reflect the rumor, ignoring even our fundamental policies! Our lucky contender today is Smithr32, who contends that "Windows Store" has become "Microsoft Store". (Hello, Smithr32! I hope you are reading this!)

There are three problems with Smithr32's attempt to update the article. (No hard feelings, Smithr32. We are assuming that you did it in good faith. )

  1. Violation of
    WP:CRYSTAL: In Smithr32's version, the article is written in a way that the name change is completed and now everyone can see it! Yet, I find no evidence of it. My "Store" app has not changed, despite having made sure that it is the latest version; the Windows Store entry
    does not show the new name and logo, even when I spoofed the user agent. How do you even know if it is a rename? Maybe it is a new app? (Of course, in all the probability, both would occupy this very same article.)
  2. Not adhering to
    WP:COMMONNAME
    : Smithr32's work in this regard was very incongruous. In his revision, "Windows Store" is still designated as the common name (with "Microsoft Store" being the official name). And yet, he has change every instance of "Windows Store" in the article to "Microsoft Store".
  3. Unresolved conflict with the Microsoft Store article: Self-explanatory, right?

Patience is one of the greatest virtues of a encyclopedia writer. Please wait until we have confirmed details of what we have at hands.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 21:49, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You too? Serious guys...
"Windows" has never actually been part of the app's name.
It's tile says "Store" only.
It's title bar says "STore" only.
It's About section in the Setting dialog box also says "Store".
Hell, the page to which you link also reads "Store".
There is no official "Windows" prefix. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 04:57, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the change is only available for Windows Insiders at the moment. However, I can confirm as an Insider that the app has been renamed Microsoft Store, from Store, it also has a new icon. Other than that, the app works exactly the same. I can upload screenshots if anyone wants; however, I think it is better to wait until general release. Daylen (talk) 03:52, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'm not on an insider build, but the icon/branding actually did change to Microsoft Store for me today. ViperSnake151  Talk  20:14, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's great. Then lets be patient. Soon, the change will roll out to everyone and we can update the article while still retaining a universally correct point of view.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 20:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
For the page title, I would like to suggest to move this one to
Microsoft Store (app) or similar to distinguish with the physical Microsoft Store. Any other suggestions? Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 00:25, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
@Shinjiman: Our standard suffix is "(software)", not "(app)". Plus, I think we should move the current Microsoft Store to Microsoft Store (retail) and move this one to Microsoft Store. Of course, that needs the aid of an admin or page mover.
FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 04:53, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The software suffix sounds more sense for that. By the way here's the URL of the Microsoft Store app itself. [1] Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 15:00, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa, this is not a rumor.The rollout has been updating for users the past 24 hours. I work at Microsoft Store and have been trying to update the Wikipedia page to reflect this change. The Windows Store bag icon has changed and in the top left of the Windows Store, it is now Microsoft Store. I was trying to send a screenshot of mine, but it won't let me upload. Msredmond (talk) 21:46, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Msredmond, just have more edits until you got the
Autoconfirmed status then you can upload the files to here. Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 00:22, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
]

Oh damn! Just read all the comments, the name and logo changed during a Windows Insider Preview for the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Redstone 3) and during an alpha version of the Xbox OS ( both I am part of). Unfortunately no one reports on the small things so there wasn't sufficient evidence to support the Wiki change. Now the update has been released and Windows store has been renamed I think we can all agree on the next topic which is (see below...) Smithr32 (talk) 22:47, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 October 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to

Microsoft Store (digital), no move at present for the retail article. There was no real consensus on what the disambiguator should be, only that we need one because it isn't the primary topic (at the moment). I've gone with "digital" because it had some good arguments for it and a reasonable number of people were happy with it. No prejudice against a new RM solely discussing what the disambiguation should be. On the primary topic question, there was no consensus to rename the retail article at the moment to include disambiguation. However, it seems to me there is a fair chance that will change in the future and I think it's something we should revisit, but not for at least three months so we can get a handle on things like how the article traffic is playing out. Gut feel is that we will probably end up with a dab page at Microsoft Store but time will tell. Jenks24 (talk) 16:03, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
]


– The app's entry has changed to "Microsoft Store", eventually confirming that it is not a rumor or announcement that Microsoft can reverse. Both

WP:CRYSTAL requirements are finally fulfilled. So, I believe it is finally time to make the move. My fellow Wikipedians know how to respond here with supporting or opposing verdicts+reason. Msredmond, you might want to study Wikipedia:Requested moves § Commenting in a requested move first. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 12:00, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
]

Survey

Threaded discussion

To simplify this and avoid continued revision of and replies to !votes, and the possibility of a finding of "no consensus", I think these issues might be best fleshed out through a discussion. So far we have 3 different possibilities for this article other than Microsoft Store:

Microsoft Store (digital) because (app) doesn't sound encyclopedic and (software) leaves possible ambiguity as to whether it is a software-based store or store that sells software. Also there is a website version of the store so it's not just a Windows program. Opinions? —DIYeditor (talk) 09:46, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
]

Hi. You wrote "[...] and (software) leaves possible confusion as to whether it is a software-based store or store that sells software."
  1. Since both are correct assumptions, why do you bother? The reader can assume whichever, or both.
  2. The prevalence of "(software)" tag in Wikipedia means anyone who has been here knows that "[Name] (software)" means the subject of the article is a computer program called [Name]. Hence "Microsoft Store (software)" communicates that it is an app called "Microsoft Store" — at least to some audience.
  3. People who are intent on getting confused, get confused anyway, no matter what you. They get confused from "(digital)" because they don't know whether it is a digital store, or whether the store sells digital goods. Nothing is ignorant-proof or fool-proof.
Let people read the article; if you try to outdo yourself with parenthetical suffixes, you end up like Microsoft: It is a company known for constant and insessant product name changing and having no stable naming schemes. Every time they chose one weird deviant name for their Windows versions, they rationalized their actions with such nonsense as "market appeal" and "contextual meaning". Likewise, if you end up overdoing yourself, you will end up with an encyclopedia with confusing parenthetical suffixes and no pattern in them.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 10:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Good points. The problem I saw with the ambiguity is that the retail/tangible goods store also sells software so it potentially creates an inaccurate distinction. But by the same token the software sold by the "other" Microsoft Store (particularly the "Online" aspect) is also digital distribution, aside from the portion of Xbox games that are on disc. So really both "digital" and "software" create false distinctions from the other Microsoft Store, depending on how interpreted, and perhaps in this case it would be best as you say to use "software", meaning that is a piece of software, for consistency in Wikipedia titles. I agree that this is typical of Microsoft's poor marketing choices but maybe they intend for them both (or all three) to be aspects of the same store, possibly calling for a single combined article. To me this raises the possibility that for clarity the three aspects should be
Microsoft Store (online), and Microsoft Store (retail) with Microsoft Store being only a disambiguation page. While I don't think this is entirely in keeping with PRIMARYTOPIC (which I do think is the retail store), it is a clean solution logically and prevents the reader from arriving at the wrong place. However in that scenario where does the web page for the app store fit - is it part of (online) or (software)? This is why I think some discussion is in order, I could really go along with several solutions at this point. —DIYeditor (talk) 10:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
We simply don't have sufficient material for three articles.
Microsoft Store (software) is fine with me. Also Codename Lisa, the word for the state you described is "incongruity". If we overthink the suffix, we end up having an incongruous Wikipedia. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 14:02, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
Microsoft Store (digital distribution) and expanded to include the Xbox games. Seems like this conflict needs to be resolved before there can be a clear choice of titles. —DIYeditor (talk) 22:14, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
]
Definitely overthinking it. Don't! Go with "(software)". —Codename Lisa (talk) 06:45, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I glanced past FleetCommand's advice not to overthink it since it appeared to be addressed to you. That makes sense, I'm a fan of consistency in titles. Perhaps the title being 100% logically correct is not that important. Unfortunately with the !votes going so many different directions it looks like reaching consensus may be messy. —DIYeditor (talk) 05:03, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Well, this is embarassing. I noticed a Bot removing the move discussion notice. By mistake, I assumed that a page mover or admin had moved the page. Sure enough, the page had been moved to

Microsoft Store (application). Well, I was wrong. An ordinary user had moved it and that user reverted his/her own action. I believe everyone knows the rest of the story. —Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 06:04, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply
]

I'm really sorry, I didn't see the "don't move page" notice when I moved it. I have made it back to the way it was so it should be all good now. User 261115 (talk) 06:17, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss improvements in lede

I’ve removed the tag on improving the lede, since there is no dicussion of the issues or suggestions for improvement. Lets discuss improvements if you wish to put back the tag. Work permit (talk) 04:56, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Was retagged. I improved the lede and removed the tag. Please discuss any additional improvements if you feel the tag should remain. Work permit (talk) 15:38, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Current Fee Information Not Accurate

The current default fee for use of the Microsoft store for windows 10 will now be 15%, not 30% as implied in the article (that is the old fee). The article is correct that the fee will only be 5% if the application purchase is made via an outside link.

https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2018/05/07/a-new-microsoft-store-revenue-share-is-coming/#C4G3QMkROuh04Mbl.97

John Linstrum ([email protected]) 2601:204:D980:7B31:3890:50DD:4F3B:9E88 (talk) 20:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 23:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]


– The retail store has discontinued in 2020 since the last discussion in 2017. I think this is now the primary topic. Interstellarity (talk) 22:01, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Per nom. Heavy primary topic when pageviews are compared.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:32, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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