Talk:Ochakiv

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Ochakiv is the official name of the town, while Ochakov is one of the historical names.--NightOnEarth 18:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: 1) Ochakov is situated in the 100% Russophone area; 2) The town is known in English primarily in connection with its siege by Russians, when it was officially known as Ochakov. --Ghirlandajo 18:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1) While I agree that Russian is the language of the majority there, it's nowhere close to 100% even in cities like Odessa and Mykolaiv, much less outside of big cities. Anyway, it doesn't seem to matter for cities like

Kiev and don't want to start something like that, but for the sake of accuracy, I think the spelling of the existing resort town is preferable over the spelling of a historical fortress. --NightOnEarth 20:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply

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• Oppose, I think some towns should be left as they're known in the English-speaking world. KNewman 19:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Support, while names such as Kiev or Odessa can genuinely be considered English
  user:LuiKhuntek

• support move. This is very much the same case as
  Imperial Russia. Finally, what language the locals speak is irrelevant for this dispute. The article's title is always an official local name, unless there is an established English name that is different. --Irpen 21:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply
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• Support. The vast majority of Ukrainian city articles are listed by their Ukrainian name. The only exceptions that I am aware of would be for English names like "Kiev". What was the logic in redirecting Ochakiv to Özi? Olessi 21:35, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record: Kiev isn't the only exception.

Odessa is another one. There may be more that don't pop up in my head right now. --Irpen 16:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply

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• Weak support, as I always support the move to current name used by the administration. It's simply easier and such solution fixes many of the endless naming disputes. BTW, I believe that the name of Ochakov could be mentioned and even bolded in the header. Halibutt 17:22, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - use whatever the names is now. 129.252.70.25 22:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Support --AndriyK 11:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Didn't we decide that all cities in present Ukraine except Kyiv are to be named in Ukrainian on Wiki? --Bryndza 02:17, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, yes. Just FYI, there are more exceptions:

Odessa, Eupatoria, maybe more, but not much. So, you're basically right. --Irpen 02:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply

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The arguments how to transliterate or transcribe names from Cyrillic in Latin characters is age old. We will have to adapt. We don't write Mahsqua or do we, it's Moscow in English, Moskau in German, and Moscou in French. The article needs an update for the US military facilities that are being established there. 2001:8003:A928:800:48AE:8C85:B258:8D41 (talk) 02:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The most important economic feature of Ochakov is probably the American base there, but still no mention of it in the article? Santamoly (talk) 09:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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