Talk:Periyar/Archive 8
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Fact
If some people brag about not speaking a particulr language for many years forgetting their roots (obviously for various reasons) it is ok and if it is their prime prerogative it is still ok. But what is not ok is the stale argument by some people that since Periar spoke Kannada he should have been a Kannadiga. I had read some article long time ago which stated that Periar was fluent not only in kannada and Tamil but also in Telugu. The article stated that in Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh Ramaswami Naidu conversed with GORA(Goparaju Ramachandra Rao) quite fluently in Telugu. It is a well known fact that Ramaswami Naicker belongs to Balija Naidu caste. Balija Naidu caste is a Telugu caste and hence his mother tongue should be Telugu and he should be of Telugu origin. He might have lived in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu; which doesn't prevent him from being a Telugu man. Though the great saint Thyagaraja was born and had lived in Tamil Nadu all his life his ancestry still remained a Telugu jati. In the same token Periar belonged to Telugu jati no matter where he lived. I inserted a quote from Many Ramayanas (by Paula Richman) in the above posting as to the origin of Periar. I believe this information would be relevant to the wikipedia and it would put a stop to the unnecessary bickering going on forever regarding the roots of Erode Venkata Ramaswami Naidu of Telugu Jati. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.57.81.121 (talk) 09:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
- Periyar was Balija Naidu. There is no ambiguity about it. That can be added about his caste. But on his language, we go by what he says - he says he is a Kannadiga and thats what that should be in the article. --Sodabottle (talk) 07:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
- I reckon this argument on his mother tongue being Telugu has been going on for years now. In absence of sources that would override the vast pool of references that claim him being Kannadiga it is rather futile to go on with this argument. Nevertheless, I do not see an end to this discussion and hence it would be better to move discussion on this specific issue to a subpage (and leave a notice with the talk page banners) so that the main discussion page can be used for other purposes. Wiki San Roze †αLҝ 14:25, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Periyar was Balija Naidu. There is no ambiguity about it. That can be added about his caste. But on his language, we go by what he says - he says he is a Kannadiga and thats what that should be in the article. --Sodabottle (talk) 07:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
It was held by the UN's official branch of the UNESCO Forum.
It is a well known fact that the Chief Minister of the state of Tamil Nadu gave the award to Father Periyar on behalf of the UN's UNESCO at the Rajaji Hall in Chennai on 27.6.1970.
When Periyar, The Prophet of the New Age; The Socrates of South East Asia; The Social Reform Movement of the Father; And the Arch Enemy of Ignorance, Superstitions, Meaningless Customs and Base Manners ” கார்த்திகேயன் பழனிவேலு (talk) 11:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
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கார்த்திகேயன் பழனிவேலு (talk) 11:12, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
It was held by the UN's official branch of the UNESCO Forum.
It is a well known fact that the Chief Minister of the state of Tamil Nadu gave the award to Father Periyar on behalf of the UN's UNESCO at the Rajaji Hall in Chennai on 27.6.1970.
When Periyar, The Prophet of the New Age; The Socrates of South East Asia; The Social Reform Movement of the Father; And the Arch Enemy of Ignorance, Superstitions, Meaningless Customs and Base Manners ”
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:12, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Tamil language and writing
The article contains the following text which appears to be wrong. "However, Anita Diehl explains that Periyar made these remarks on Tamil because it had no respective feminine verbal forms.[33]". Periyar himself has given reasons why he called Tamil as barbaric language. Periyar said Tamil does not have the scientific development and text like English. He went on to say that The English have invented telephone, they have formula to calculate distnace to moon & travel time to moon and raised question "If Tamil is so great why you don't have any such useful things in Tamil?". He ends by saying, "Tamil Sangam literature has lots of superstitions that is nothing less than the Aryan thoughts". By Aryan thoughts he means Sanskrit text such as Puranas, Ithihasas, smruthis, etc., [1]. [2] In these references, one may note following snippets among many explanations, 1)"Tamil is a language that is not even useful for begging". 2)"Periyar was of the strong view that Tamil is a barbarian language because it never grew to the needs of the present day".--Mageshsai (talk) 18:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2020
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In 1970, he was honored by UNESCO with an award, the citation of which said: Periyar, the Prophet of a New Age, Socrates of South Asia, Father of the Social Reform Movement, Arch Enemy of ignorance, superstitions, meaningless customs, and base manners.” This award was presented to him by the then Union Education Minister Triguna Sen and former Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu M Karunanidhi in Madras (Chennai).
This award was handed over to E V Ramasamy by the organization that provided such an award was called ‘UNESCO MANRAM’
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Duraimurugan arjunan (talk) 21:21, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 21:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
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The article states that Periyar toured Russia between 1929 and 1932, while providing the link for the modern day Russian Federation. This link needs to be replaced by the link to the wikipedia page of the USSR which was what Russia was called at the time. LordKrrish23 (talk) 05:44, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks done changed it to Soviet Union.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:18, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Requested move 4 September 2020
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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 01:08, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose as per WP:COMMONNAME he is kwown as Periyar since 1938 when he became the leader of the Justice Party .Even Universites,roads have been named after him in Tamil Nadu ex Periyar University and is the most commmon name.Hence Periyar E. V. Ramasamy is okay .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:07, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Pharaoh of the Wizards, it appears you are voting for the article to be retitled to the mononym "Periyar". If that is so, please change your vote. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:16, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- I am not voting for a change to Periyar just want to retain current name Periyar E. V. Ramasamy and the common name is Periyar E. V. Ramasamy .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose for similar reasons as explained above. "Periyar" is how he is most commonly referred to in popular media, press etc, therefore either we should stick with the current title or move the article completely to "Periyar," either option is fine with me, but the article title should not be "E. V. Ramaswamy". C1MM (talk) 15:10, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://kathir.news/how-did-periyar-view-tamil-and-tamil-society/
- ^ https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2018/mar/11/periyar-both-sides-of-the-same-coin-1785268.html
- ^ "Periyar EV Ramasamy -- The Man Who Opposed Mahatma Gandhi's Idea Of India". Outlook. 7 October 2019. Retrieved 13 September 2020.
- ^ "Rajinikath refuses to apologise for Periyar EV Ramasamy comment". Deccan Chronicle. 22 January 2020. Retrieved 13 September 2020.
- ^ "Periyar EV Ramasamy row: Madras HC dismisses plea against actor Rajinikanth". Business Standard. 24 January 2020. Retrieved 13 September 2020.
- ^ "Periyar EV Ramasamy: A rationalist, a feminist". National Herald. 17 September 2019. Retrieved 13 September 2020.
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