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Proposed merge of Retablo with Retable

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To not merge, as these are distinct objects with names having a similar root. Klbrain (talk) 18:02, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with a more developed article of the same name --evrik ^(talk) 05:03, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Though the meanings overlap in Spanish, these articles deal with different subjects. Didn't you read them? They begin:

"A retable is a structure or element placed either on or immediately behind and above the altar or communion table[1] of a church."

"A retablo is a devotional painting, especially a small popular or folk art one using iconography derived from traditional Catholic church art."

In English the meanings are distinct enough.

Johnbod (talk) 13:02, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did read them. I still believe they can be merged. There's also overlap between Reredos and altarpiece. --evrik ^(talk) 13:57, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, especially as so many altarpieces are now detached and in museums. There's more overlap between retable and dossal but I don't think these should be merged either. Any two articles could be merged, but why should these two be? No real reasons are given. Johnbod (talk) 15:21, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside, I've always thought dossals were the cloth banner hung behind the altar. In any case, I think that the retable article could be easily integrated into retablo. --evrik ^(talk) 15:46, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So you keep saying, without reasons. Surely any merge should be to the English, not the Spanish word? But then where do the small popular ex-votos of the Hispanic world go? Dossals are a term for a cloth hung behind the altar, but not just that, as the article explains. Johnbod (talk) 17:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One article is clearly more developed and could absorb the stub-like text from the second. The subject would be better covered in one piece of work. --evrik ^(talk) 19:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What "subject"? There are clearly two subjects, see the opening sentences above. So two articles. Johnbod (talk) 00:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - They are two different things. A retablo is a small devotional painting usually done on tin or scrap metal. They are not altar pieces nor a structural element. Different than a retable. Netherzone (talk) 08:17, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I've taken the liberty of adding hatnotes to distinguish between the terms. Klbrain (talk) 18:02, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]