Talk:SMS Deutschland (1904)

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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 14, 2010. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that during the Battle of Jutland on 31 May 1916, SMS Deutschland (pictured) took part in the last engagement between capital ships in World War I ?
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Reviewer: Jackyd101 (talk) 22:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I have reviewed this article against the

• It is reasonably well written.

  a (prose): b (MoS):

• "Deutschland went into dock in Kiel' work lasted until 12 March" - I think there is some punctuation missing here, but I'm not sure what it should be.

• Looks like I hit the apostrophe key when I intended for the semi-colon. Parsecboy (talk) 11:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• "result-less" - I'm not sure this is a word, "uneventful"?

• It is according to dictionary.com. I'll replace it if you prefer, though. Parsecboy (talk) 11:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• It is factually accurate and verifiable.

  a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

• It is broad in its coverage.

  a (major aspects): b (focused):

• Mention Deutchland's class, operational purpose and immediate obsalesence in the Construction section - at the moment this is only in the lead.

• I added a main link to the class article and added the details you requested. Parsecboy (talk) 11:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• "so-called "five-minute ships"" - why were they so-called?

• That's explained in the second note. Parsecboy (talk) 11:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• It follows the
  neutral point of view
  policy.

  a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

• It is stable.

  

• It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

  a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have

  fair use rationales

  ):

• Overall:

  a Pass/Fail:

• Good work, no further changes required. I'm ready to pass this as GA now.--Jackyd101 (talk) 21:12, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The subject of the article appears to be the

It's not NOR if we have (referenced) mentions of the other ships somewhere. This kind of information is often included in these articles (i.e. how many with the same name). - Dank (push to talk) 19:11, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After the Gefechtskehrtwendung (battle about turn), the ships of II Battle Squadron should be in the lead steaming line-ahead. However, the next sentence says, Having fallen behind, the ships of II Battle Squadron could not conform to the new course following the turn. without mentioning any interim maneuver being ordered.

The second sentence after that says, Mauve considered moving his ships to the rear of the line, astern of the III Battle Squadron dreadnoughts, but decided against it when he realized the movement would interfere with the maneuvering of Admiral Franz von Hipper's battlecruisers. Instead, he attempted to place his ships at the head of the line. Why would the choice be left up to a subordinate commander and how would the slowest capital ships be able to maneuver well enough for him to have that choice? Dhtwiki (talk) 22:38, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There was no interim maneuver needed - look at detailed course maps of the battle (i.e., not the one in the article, the ones in some of the sources used like Tarrant and Campbell).

Division commanders had a good deal of discretion on how to handle their units - this is a necessary component of command when you're talking about large formations that can easily fall into disarray (as happened in this specific instance). For an example of the reverse, much has been written on Evan-Thomas's absolutely bone-headed decision to ignore Beatty's turn north earlier in the battle and instead blunder his 5th Squadron into the main German fleet. And as for how Mauve was intending to do this, again, look at the maps to see how the units were arrayed. Parsecboy (talk) 23:52, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

the 8-point link is to an article that defines at least two different compass points: 22.5o and 11.25o. I suggest to write "8-point (90o) turn" or "8-point (180o) turn".

by the way: I arrived here because curious of knowing why the Deutschland was discarded in 1920 while three vessels of the previous class were retained (note that the D suffered no damages at the Jutland, so heavy war wear seems improbable)

pietro151.29.14.156 (talk) 13:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The removal of the category contradicts the article's text: "In May–June, fleet training was conducted off Helgoland; Crown Prince Wilhelm, the Kaiser's son, observed the exercises aboard Deutschland." It is part of his military career. Dimadick (talk) 10:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me, when did Wilhelm ever serve in the navy? He spent a few hours on the ship. This was not significant, and the category does not apply. Parsecboy (talk) 10:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]