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After reviewing the web site, "Slow Home," linked to in the "External Links" section, it appears that it has little to do with the genuine Slow Movement. It looks to me as if that site has merely appropriated the moniker from the Slow Food movement - and the Slow Movement in general - in order to lend itself a little cachet. I propose that the link to Slow Home be removed, as it is just another consumer-oriented web site and company, the very antithesis of the Slow Movement.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.2.240.21 (talkcontribs) 19:48, 26 June 2007

Slow home removed as per above request.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Greycar (talkcontribs) 03:47, 8 October 2007

Slow Retail also seems to have little or nothing to do with the actual movement, seemingly added simply for a quick link. Thoughts? Opinions? TheGiftedOne 06:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it doesn't fit then I suggest you take it off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greycar (talkcontribs) 03:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone please give at least some sort of time frame for this movement? Dc2011 (talk) 03:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

slow money

Can someone please add slow money to this?

Thanks

http://www.slowmoneyalliance.org/index.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kerry-trueman/slow-money-cultivating-a_b_219992.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101794001 Rivermusic (talk) 22:21, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Slow sex

User:Mindmatrix recently deleted an edit by an IP user which looks like vandalism, but actually isn't. It said:

"Slow Sex is a branch of the Slow Movement. It's an alternative to the fast-food sex that pervades our culture. Instead of using sex as an escape, we encourage people to feel into each nook and cranny of their sex. We find that by getting back to the basics of connecting to your body, being honest about your experience, and communicating with your partner, we can have sex that is more intimate and sensational."

I think that if this were written and referenced a bit better, it would be fine. Carl Honoré's book "In Praise of Slow" has a chapter on this. -- Rixs (talk) 06:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could well be worth adding. There is a link to Slow Sex Movement, which is actually a redirect to a business called OneTaste.Jonpatterns (talk) 15:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Slow travel

Possibly related -- psychogeography. Might be of interest for Related. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.206.22.97 (talk) 11:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Slow Travel in the US
This is the subject of the final paragraph and claims that the concept has renewed interest in driving on specific roads and types of roads. It already has a disputed tag. There are no sources and it ignores the fact that for years people have been motivated to drive on specific roads for a range of other reasons. It's a little desperate to suggest that an interest in Slow Travel has renewed interest in the Lincoln Highway or US Route 66, when the interest has been chiefly sparked by such things as the historic/folk myth of those roads. As the disputed tagger noted, "This is ridiculous nonsense; Route 66 has had an enormous enthusiast community dating back to year of its official replacement with the Interstate highway system, obviously pre-dating this "slow movement" stuff, and certainly had nothing to do with "slow travel".
So, in the absence of sources, despite my own attempts to locate one to support the paragraph, I've deleted it. It's quite possible to describe Slow Travel in the US with an entirely different set of examples, such as RVing, etc, but that's for another time and/or another person. Twistlethrop (talk) 03:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am also looking for sources and others interested in slow travel.

My main interest is in what I call medium speed rail. I think about 60mph or about 100km/h is fast enough for anybody, and it has great benefits in safety and conviviality. And in Australia we have lots of level crossings, and these are just not compatible with high speed rail. Bring back the Orient Express, the British "slow train" and the good old Aussie "mixed".

When I raised this opinion on Quora one of my fellow contributors suggested I see a psychiatrist. So I'm looking for like minds. But if I find any it will possibly be a subtopic for this article, which is why I feel OK about raising it here.

We should of course include the fact that there have been previous quite successful slow trains in the past, but these have been largely abandoned following for example the Beeching cuts. Andrewa (talk) 22:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Any order to the "Slow [fill-in-the-blanks]"?

The various types of offshoots of the Slow movement don't appear to be in any particular order, alphabetical, chronological, or topical. Engelhardt (talk) 04:23, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I can tell, should there be? Theoretick (talk) 20:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed: alphabetized. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 10:39, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article name

I wonder if

Slow (movement) or Slow (social movement) might be a better (more accurate) name for this article. Thoughts? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 10:42, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
]

What's going on here?

I've just looked in on the

all done and dusted)” and that “the relevant discussion is on the article's talk page
(nope!) or at the target article talk page (not here, either)”.
Can I suggest that if a merger of these pages is contemplated, that it be proposed, explained and discussed (per
a consensus be determined. Hmm? Moonraker12 (talk) 19:24, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

PS: Turns out the discussion (such as it is) was tucked away on

below) so the discussion can continue. Moonraker12 (talk) 19:33, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

I moved that discussion to
Talk:Slow Movement/Merge request, a subpage of this page and transluded it above. We shouldn't really be having discussion forks about a topic at a talk page of a redirect to the topic. Wbm1058 (talk) 15:11, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

The merge discussion

(This was on the talk page of Slow movement (which is a redirect to here). I've copied it to here so the discussion can continue. Moonraker12 (talk) 19:31, 9 November 2015 (UTC))[reply]

I just see that there are many articles which contain the word slow in addition to something which already exists:

Claimed unrelated:

Claimed to be valid as stand alone articles (the merge tag will be removed after the poll):

Redirected now:

I'll suggest to make a move forward and integrate all those small articles into Slow Movement because the articles have no real substance and it looks like they where created to attract readers to the Slow Food movement. Please vote about this proposal below. I have nothing against the Slow Movement. --huggi - never stop exploring (talk) 05:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I added the {{merging|Slow movement|date=August 2015}} to the above articles to ask for comments on this suggested change.

Agree - no additional value to keep these articles separated, some are tagged for notability, refrences. Make your own objective research. --huggi - never stop exploring (talk) 05:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A point of order: As nominator, adding a vote for a merge is not good form. (And for some other process objections,
see above. Moonraker12 (talk) 19:47, 9 November 2015 (UTC)}[reply
]
Oppose for Slow television. That article is already lengthy enough to stand on its own and has 29 references. It documents a media phenomenon appearing for several years, unrelated to "Slow food". Bistropha (talk) 19:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bistropha, thanks for your valuable feedback, could you please change your vote, I removed your article to the unrelated list (these pages will not be included for the merge)! --huggi - never stop exploring (talk) 00:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Huggi. I have no objection to the proposed merger (leaving out "Slow television"), but suggest a careful review of the list in case some of the other topics may deserve distinct articles (perhaps Cittaslow). Bistropha (talk) 04:28, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the merger template from this article, it is very clearly unrelated to the Slow meovement. Let's not confuse the issue. Sionk (talk) 12:47, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would oppose this merger, as no justification has been given other than that all the article titles have the word “Slow” in them.
The
reasons for a merger
would be Duplication, Overlap, Unlikely to be expanded, or Too much context needed: none of those (IMO) apply to any of the articles on this list.
OTOH the
being too big. Moonraker12 (talk) 19:38, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
PS: A better idea would be to keep this as a
concept dab (with maybe a paragraph on each) and a main article link to individual articles on all of them. Moonraker12 (talk) 19:40, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
while you are still discussing (next time I will just go ahead after a week), I moved the two articles, the Slow (movement) is just not important enough to have +10 articles on Wikipedia, there is no limit in size per article (like when you print it out). As a Wikipedia reader, I prefer having the content within one article instead of multiple ones, which are after years not even connected with each other.

My time to spend on such discussions is now over. You can help make the situation better or worse, but don't try to start the discussion after 3 months, it just shows a lot about your editing habits :) --huggi - never stop exploring (talk) 08:19, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you are disposed to insult my editing habits, at least I understand the notions of
building consensus
; if your actions here are anything to go by, and if “your time to spend on discussion is over”, maybe you don't.
As for making the situation better or worse, I've already explained why your proposal makes things worse, (here) and offered a suggestion to make this stuff better (here); if you don't agree, maybe it's time we got
another opinion. I've requested one, here. Moonraker12 (talk) 14:34, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Third Opinion
    reverted the attempted merge shows that there is not consensus now. Because there is no consensus now we need to discuss the changes more and come to a sufficient compromise. Wugapodes (talk) 16:04, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Oppose for slow cinema, probably the rest. Bulk discussions like this are not appropriate, you need to consider each on its own merits. Slow cinema has been discussed in detail in many reliable sources, only some of which are cited in the article. For example, Edinburgh University Press are publishing a book on the topic. This is a notable standalone topic. If you want to have summaries of the individual articles in a main article with main links then that'd be fine, but a merge will not better serve readers or navigation. Fences&Windows 21:51, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Abstain I'm tired about such mickey-mouse discussions on WP. Just do your own homework before you join a discussion, leaving you guys alone now as there are more important things to do in real life :) --huggi - never stop exploring (talk) 00:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removed my content and tagged all articles with the notability tag, I totally forgot that I did not do this from the beginning. --huggi - never stop exploring (talk) 00:41, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And I've restored them, per
WP:TALK. If you wish to withdraw something you should strike it through (like this), not simply delete it, as it makes a mockery of everyone else's comments. Or was that the intention? Moonraker12 (talk) 01:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]
The merge nomination seems to have been withdrawn, but the articles are still tagged for merging and many for notability:
They should not have have had the "merging" template added, but rather the "merge" tag; the former is when a merge is ongoing, the latter for when it is proposed. Fences&Windows 22:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the notability tags on these articles; they all had at least half-a-dozen links or references (one had nearly thirty!) so there was no question of notability, and the tagging was frivolous to borderline disruptive. I've also fixed the merge tags, using the "merge to" format (to direct the discussion here); if the proposal has been withdrawn then we can always close here and delete them. I've also archived the previous discussion on the redirect page. Moonraker12 (talk) 02:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly support merging all the forked topics, and stop overcapitalizing them, per
    slow cities already redirects to Cittaslow. PS: A basic point of procedure: When others have supported a merge (or RfC or whatever), the nom can no longer withdraw it; the discussion remains open for consensus resolution.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  01:44, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Strongest Support SMcCandlish made really good points and I support his views fully but also want to add some explicit source analysis to show just how far a lot of these topics are from the GNG. Looking at the sourcing and just some quick google searches on the various topics, I cannot support a merge more strongly than I do right now. The articles are fractured and do not seem to be independently notable from the movement. The sources are almost always non-independent or not significant, and what is left is not multiple sources. For example:
I agree with SMcCandlish that, Slow cinema, Cittaslow, and Slow Food at a glance probably pass the GNG.
I'd say that maybe there's a chance or argument to be made for the following:
Nietsche was talking about the slow movement), slow television
(seem largely in other languages).
The rest, in my opinion, don't come close to passing muster. If I have the time, I may look through the iffy ones I just mentioned, but these largely seem non-independent from the "slow movement". One thing that should also be kept in mind when thinking about the ones like slow education and slow gardening is what SMcCandlish said: ""Of course an education journal or an design column will focus on the slow education or slow design aspects of the slow movement; that doesn't make them independent entities from the movement, any more than Canadian horror films are special genre unto their own because Canadian sources write about them as Canadian."[emphasis original] Because I think, just because HGTV covered slow gardening, we really need to think critically about whether that coverage indicates it as notably separate from the slow movement or is just focusing on a part it cares about. Wugapodes (talk) 07:29, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And about the size if we merged, since lots of people are opposing based on that: firstly, what's already in the article is probably already enough; by merge I mean just redirect those articles here. Secondly, the recommended split size is measured by "readable prose" not including markup (see
WP:LENGTH). The page only has 14kb of readable prose right now per dykcheck. Even if all 5 pages I suggested had a readable prose size of 10kb (which is an insane exaggeration, the longest of the lot, slow parenting is 7k, and the rest average out at about 2k) and we saved every single bit of information in them (which is unreasonable and unlikely), we still wouldn't reach 60kb of readable prose on this page. Even under those most favorable circumstances, the "it would be too long" argument doesn't hold up. Wugapodes (talk) 07:35, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

Break

  • This proposal is too broad - It's unlikely that a consensus can be reached that is about so many diverse pages. For instance Slow reading is only partially about the Slow Movement, and has other reading-speed related information. Also, even if duplication was removed, merging all of these pages would make an article that was too long. Individual discussions about each article to be merged would stand a better chance of achieving some result.—Anne Delong (talk) 14:34, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Piotrus: No, this isn't my proposal; I only put it here because the original poster had it in the wrong place. I thought he had withdrawn it in November 2015, but it seems to have carried on for a while after that.
There has been little movement here since this time last year, and (as has been pointed out) the proposal is too unwieldy to produce any kind of consensus: So can I suggest it be closed, and if anyone has the enthusiasm for any of these merges that they be re-posted in a more practical form? Moonraker12 (talk) 20:10, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Slow television

Noting that the proposed merge tag was removed from slow television by this edit. Indeed the brief discussion of it in this article fails WP:summary style in that it does not summarize the so-called "main article" on the topic, and neither does the main article seem to cover the same ground as the summary. The reader is left wondering if these might be two somewhat related, yet different concepts. Also noting that this article uses the primary term "slow media", stating that is "more specifically" slow television – is that slow social media? Yet slow media is a red-link. Indeed the concept, as described at the "main article", seems like a form of extreme reality television, and so is far-removed from the original idea of Slow Food. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the specifics of Slow television should be discussed on that Talk page. I agree it needs improving and is currently heavily weighted towards Norwegian TV. Sionk (talk) 17:31, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree that slow television is something different to slow media; the point of slow media seems to be about rediscovering/focusing on quality, in-depth reporting (like Diverse Reports, or Unreported World, maybe) rather than news for entertainment, while the point of slow television would seem to be providing the relaxation found in a canal trip, or the absorption of watching a craftsman at work.
But I don't think it is simply a form of Reality TV (which is more like voyeurism; but then, other television in real time (like sports coverage) or depicting the real-world (like documentaries) don't qualify as Reality TV either. I suspect the problem is that Reality TV isn't actually about reality...) Moonraker12 (talk) 00:50, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

I've also reverted the unexplained page move on 30 August; there was no obvious reason for this, as the previous title was

well-supported by usage; a Gsearch for “Slow Movement” (here) throws up more than half a million results, while there is little evidence of a movement simply called “Slow” (see search, here
).
If there is any good reason for this title change, I suggest it be presented as a
Request Move, to see if anyone else agrees that it's a good idea. Moonraker12 (talk) 14:39, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

Requested move 17 November 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved to

Biblioworm 23:20, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply
]



social movements in Category:Social movements. This is not a proper name, unless it's about a formal organization with the name "Slow Movement" (in which we would probably have an external link to the official website of "Slow Movement". – Wbm1058 (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 14:20, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

PS: Also, why has the talkpage to the target page (currently a redirect) been moved? Surely the time to do that would be when a page move has been agreed. As it is it makes the links here to that discussion meaningless. Moonraker12 (talk) 23:39, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I moved that discussion to
Rfd}} (in which case the discussion is actually at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion). Readers can follow the red links to the page I moved it to (until that talk page is re-created). Wbm1058 (talk) 15:49, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Fresh Structure

All- I propose the following as an idea to a better structure of the subheadings. I admit it's not perfect, but I believe it to be in the right direction.

Current+ Proposed
Ageism 1.Lifestyle

1.1 Ageism

1.2 Counseling

1.3 Living

1.4 Parenting

1.5 Religon

Cinema 2.Culture

2.1 Cinema

2.2 Fashion

2.3 Food

2.4 Goods

2.5 Media

2.6 Photography

2.7 Travel

Counseling 3.Living**

3.1 Cittislow

3.2Medicine

3.3Money

3.3.1Scholarship

3.4Technology

3.5Time poverty

Education See also

Education

Gardening

Marketing

Slow sex

Science

Fashion
Food
Gardening
Goods
Living
Marketing
Media
Medicine
Money
Parenting
Photography
Religon
Scholarship
Sex
Science
Technology
Travel
Time Poverty


+omitted Slow

    • I know there's two "living." but I couldn't think of a broader name for this group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ron24bon (talkcontribs) 23:16, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Slow Fashion

Proposed addition to Slow Fashion:

    Functional and fashion novelty drives consumers to replace their items faster causing an increase of imported goods into the U.S alone. It is reported by the Economic Policy Institute that in 2007, the U.S has imported six billion dollars' worth in fashion articles. Popular brands, such as Patagonia, make products that are made to endure the test of time and be environmentally conscious. (Sharon Bloyd-Peterson) 

Bloyd-Peshkin, Sharon. “Built to Trash.” In These Times, 21 Oct. 2009, http://inthesetimes.com/article/5023/built_to_trash. Ian Prentice (talk) 00:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Slow Food

Proposed addition to Slow Food:

    Tim Cooper, author of Longer Lasting Solutions, insists on “slow consumption.” He goes on to say, “The issue to address is what kind of economy is going to be sustainable in its wider sense- eco- nomically, environmentally and socially.” Saul Griffith introduces “heirloom design” during a February Greener Gadgets conference in 2009. He notes a lasting design, mend ability, and the option of being modernized to advocate slow consumption. Through legislation, alternative options, and consumer pressure can further manufactures into designing items in a more heirloom fashion.

Bloyd-Peshkin, Sharon. “Built to Trash.” In These Times, 21 Oct. 2009, http://inthesetimes.com/article/5023/built_to_trash.

and

    Although the initial purpose of the movement is to discover a way to enjoy food in a more traditional and relaxed manner, another side component of the slow food movement is its ability to inspire the growth of a social movement through the use of food. Though the movement itself may not seem as though it’s on an obvious path to politicization, the mobilizing effect can’t be ignored. As one-time vice president of Slow Food International, Alice Water’s states, “Is having a refined palate or training it a political act? I hope so; politics is not just voting. Politics in Greek sense was about every interaction that you had with every other person on the planet and learning to eat and appreciating the person who grew your food is [central to that]. (AW, personal interview, Dec 2007) (Allison Hayes-Conroy and Deborah G Martin)

Hayes-Conroy, Allison, and Deborah G. Martin. “Mobilizing Bodies: Visceral Identification in the Slow Food Movement.” Transactions of the Institute of British Geographers, vol. 35, no. 2, Apr. 2010, pp. 269–281. EBSCOhost, doi:10.1111/j.1475-5661.2009.00374. x. http://web.b.ebscohost.com/ehost/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?vid=2&sid=29eba37d-ac67-41b3-b1d9-94be779cf7b6%40pdc-v-sessmgr02 Ian Prentice (talk) 00:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Slow Education

Proposed addition to Slow Education:

    As an alternative approach to our modern faster styles of reading, such as speed reading, the concept of slow reading has been reintroduced as an educational branch of the slow movement. For instance, the ancient Greek slow reading practice known as Lectio, which is now known in our modern times as lectio divina, has become a way of reading that encourages more in-depth analysis and a greater understanding of the text being read. Though this method is originally of a christian monastic origin, its technique can be used in other areas of education besides the study of theology. 

Badley, K.Jo-Ann, and Ken Badley. “Slow Reading: Reading along Lectio Lines.” Journal of Education & Christian Belief, vol. 15, no. 1, Spring 2011, pp. 29–42. EBSCOhost, doi:10.1177/205699711101500104.http://web.a.ebscohost.com.mctproxy.mnpals.net/ehost/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?vid=5&sid=b5e1b376-9109-4fe6-9c22-9bda173da611%40sessionmgr4008 Ian Prentice (talk) 00:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cittaslow

Proposed addition to Cittaslow:

    Cittaslow cities use the concept of glocalization to prevent the impending globalization of their cities. “The case of the Spanish Cittaslow towns offers a particular example of how towns can actively exploit the interpenetration of the global and the local. In these towns, a local–global relationship has emerged in ways that enable controlled development and the maintenance of local uniqueness.” (Servon, Pink, 2015) 

Servon, Lisa J., and Sarah Pink. “Cittaslow: Going Glocal in Spain.” Journal of Urban Affairs, vol. 37, no. 3, Aug. 2015, pp. 327–340. EBSCOhost, doi:10.1111/juaf.12169. Ian Prentice (talk) 00:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Slow Travel

Proposed addition to Slow Travel:

    The future of Slow Travel is aiming toward reducing greenhouse gas emissions by reducing car and air travel because the rate we are using planes and cars is not sustainable for our atmosphere. To achieve [the] goal of [reduced] plane and car use for travel, the Slow Travel Movement [aims] to make the journey as exciting as the destination when traveling. Advocates believe that the combination of environmental awareness and cost efficient traveling will move people towards Slow Travel. (Dickinson, Lumsdon, 2010)

Dickinson, Janet, and Les Lumsdon. Slow Travel and Tourism, Routledge, 2010. ProQuest Ebook Central, https://ebookcentral-proquest-com.mctproxy.mnpals.net/lib/mspcc/detail.action?docID=585469.

Ian Prentice (talk) 04:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Change main image request

The article states that the movement "began with Carlo Petrini's protest". The main image shown, however, is of Carl Honoré.

I suggest that an image of the former would be a better fit for the article. Carl Honoré appears to have a number of articles, for himself and his books, which mostly have a marketing / promotional style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.2.35 (talk) 17:02, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge

I propose merging

Slow design into this article. That article is a badly written essay with few sources, but a couple of sentences might be appropriate here. Reyk YO! 13:15, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply
]

Carl Honore's book

Does this book really deserve such a prominent place in the lede?

Currently it has a puffy description ("is to the slow movement what Das Kapital is to communism"), with a broken link as a citation. I couldn't find any evidence that it's really such an important book.

Perhaps we should make it less prominent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.137.149.161 (talk) 11:04, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update: made the change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.137.149.161 (talk) 12:35, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tarkovsky....

Interesting to see the noted Russian film director Andrei Tarkovsky included in here... but he was making films quite a long while before this movement even got started. The text seems to suggest that he was in some way inspired by it though... Richard Move (talk) 14:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]