Talk:Sons of Zadok
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Please In ictu oculi (talk) 21:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Revert to Hebrew spellings 19:25, 13 September 2011
Revision as of 19:25, 13 September 2011 (edit) (undo)
- I apologize once again for having to undo your work, I know you must have put in a large amount of time editing this article (and quite a few edits i find helpful), but please consider the vast amount of hours I spent researching the article detail and creating it. Below is a partial list of reasons for my revert;
- Changing "Divrei Torah" ref. to "Torah study"! (the former is a book, the latter a mitzvah)
- Changing the Mincha offering from plant life form to vegetable? (veg's -per common english usage- are not sacrificed on the mizbeach)
- Kohanim the levites, sons of.. The word "the" does not exist in orig. text (if need be -for clarification- it may be inserted in brackets)
- Largscale change of Kohanim to priests (this seems to be pending resolution at the Kohen:Talk page)
The above are just a few mistakes that can be easily avoided where proper research taken on your part. But, as said above helpful edits have been made and I encourage you to try again. If you do not feel up to it or do not have the time I will go through the page and return those constructive additions of your contribution.--Marecheth Ho'eElohuth (talk) 19:27, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
- Hello Marecheth HoeElohuth
- The 3 items you have given, even if correct, could have been changed in 1 minute, they do not serve as an excuse for reverting all the spellings to non-standard spellings such as "book of Yechezkel" (sic).
- How will anyone know what you mean by "Divrei Torah" if you fail to add proper footnotes?
- "Changing the Mincha offering from plant life form to vegetable?" - that was just better English, we don't say "plant life form" unless we are from Mars.
- "Kohanim the levites, sons of.." --- in regard to Ancient Israel WP:RS use "priests"
In ictu oculi (talk) 01:12, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
- I disagree that the error's you've made on this article are "minor", this case shows a lack of proper research on your part and neglect of tremendous efforts of other editors.--Marecheth Ho'eElohuth (talk) 20:42, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- No personal attacks, please, instead comment on the content, not on the contributor. That's policy. See below for comments on the deplorable current state of the article. Andrewa (talk) 06:49, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Isn't a mincha offering a grain (ground wheat?) offering? Would it not therefore be better to say"grain offering" rather than "plant" or "vegetable" offering? PraeceptorIP (talk) 20:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Footnotes, cf. WP:PSTS
Hi Marecheth Ho'eElohuth, aside from
- At the very least if publication years, editions, ISBNs, languages, are not going to added the sources should at least be wikilinked so that Wikireaders can click through to the primary sources:
- not as 3. ^ Midrash ha-Gadol to Bereishit 6:4 et al.
- instead 3. ^ Midrash HaGadol on Genesis 6:4, in Mordecai Margulies, editor and introduction, Midrash haggadol on the Pentateuch. Genesis. Edited From the Various Manuscripts Mosad Haraw Kook, Jerusalem 1947, reprinted 1975. ISBN.
FYI This is what happens when these refs are wikilinked:
- 1. ^ The term of popular Yechezkel4:5
- 2. ^ i.e. the services of/on the Mizbeach
- 3. ^ Midrash ha-Gadol to Bereishit6:4 et al.
- 4. ^ Tosfot to tractate Taanithp. 17b
- 5. ^ Yosef Karo) p. 55b, Rashi to Talmud tractate Zvachimp. 101b
- 6. ^ See "Torath HaKohanim", M. Rizikoff, Minor Chap. 200
- 7. ^ Koheleth RabbahChap. 1
- 8. ^ Yechezkel43:19
- 9. ^ Medrash HaBiur (Sadya Al-Dmari) to Haphtorah Parshat Emor
- 10. ^ yechezkelchap. 2
- 11. ^ Chafetz Chaimto the Torah, Haphtorah to Parshat Emor
- 12. ^ Malbim to Malachi 3:3
- 13. ^ Rosh to Devarim 10:8
- 14. ^ "Elef HaMagen (Elishevitz) to Haphtorah Parshat Emor
- 15. ^ malbim to Melachim 2 23:9
- 16. ^ Abarbanel, Malbim
- 17. ^ the former listed in Parshat Emor (in VaYikra) and the latter in the Haftarah to Parshat Emor
- 18. ^ "Ohel Yehoshua" to Haftarath Emor
- 19. ^ "Divrei Tovah" to Shmuel 1 2:37
- 20. ^ Yechezkel43:19
- 21. ^ as per common Kaballah teaching that north is synonymous with monetary issue
- 22. ^ Ahavath Yonathan to Haftarah Emor
- 23. ^ "Chasam Sofer to Orach Chayimchap. 15 (second count)
- 24. ^ Elef HaMagen to Haftarah Emor
- 25. ^ Korban Nethanel (of Damascus) to Haftarath Emor
- 26. ^ Talmud Bavli to Kiddushin 78b
- 27. ^ malbim, yonathan eibshitz, et. al
- 28. ^ see The Torah instruction of the Kohanim
- 29. ^ "Torath HaParsha" (Ahron Zakkai) to Haftarath Emor
- 30. ^ "Yechezkel (as quoted in "Bechor Yaakov")
- 31. ^ Yonathan Eibshitz
- 32. ^ "Vayikra 21:14 (quoted in chumash Otzar Rishonim)
- 33. ^ Malbim to Yechezkel 44:15-22
- 34. ^ Radak
- 35. ^ "Vayikra 21:14 (printed in Chumash "Otzar HaRishonim")
- 36. ^ Sifri to Devarim33:10 (and 21:5)
- 37. ^ Tzavrei Shallal" of the Chid"a to Haftarath Emor
- 38. ^ Malbim to Yechezkel 44:24
- 39. ^ "Chaim Palagi) to Yechezkel chap. 44
- 40. ^ Mishmereth Tzvi to Haftarath Parshat Emor
- 41. ^ Ahavath Yonathan to Haftarath Parshat Emor
- 42. ^ Pri Tzadik to Parshat Emor
- 43. ^ Malbim to Yechezkel 40:41
- 44. ^ Then Book of Yechezkelis described as six Amahs, with each Amah consisting of six Tefachs
- 45. ^ with the greater tribe of Levi including Kohanim as well
- 46. ^ Yechezkel chapters 45 and 48
- 47. ^ Serech Hayachad p. 22 (B. T. Katz, Sod H'Mgilloth)
- 48. ^ "Sali and its elders", introduction to chap. 1
- 49. ^ Geiger, Urschrift pp. 20 &c
- 50. ^ Avoth deRabbi Nathan5:2
- 51. ^ Sifri to Devardim p. 233 (Torah Ve'Hamitzvah edition)
- 52. ^ Rambam to Avothchap. 2
- 53. ^ Hilchoth Avodah Zarah 10:2
- 54. ^ Additional aspects disproving that association include a Chazalic mention that the Sadduccee and Boethusian groups favored using vessels of Gold and Silver whereas the common vessel usage of Kohanim -to negate transmission of Tumah- where typically of stone
In ictu oculi (talk) 01:54, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Move of article from Sons of Zadok to Kohanim Sons of Zadok, 13 Sept
This move goes against WP:RS and WP:EN. I'll submit to requested moves In ictu oculi (talk) 01:12, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Requested move
- The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was moved. The precision argument by andrewa is persuasive and there is no evidence (below) that reliable sources overwhelmingly use the longer title. --regentspark (comment) 13:37, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose RS usage is specifically "Kohanim sons of Tzadok" (and -BTW- not all sons where functioning kohen's).--Marecheth Ho'eElohuth (talk) 20:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
- Please see WP:IRS, what RS?? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)]
- Please see
- Comment: Current RS is being quoted in the discussion above would be good as well. Andrewa (talk) 06:42, 30 September 2011 (UTC)]
- Support per skeptical of that too) is unjustified. I note that this seems to be simply reverting a previous and apparently undiscussed move [2]. Andrewa (talk) 08:43, 30 September 2011 (UTC)]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The Sons of Zadok remain hidden to the goyim...at least this one anyway. This Wiki entry is too obscurantist for the lay person. For example, what is "Chazalic"? The term hits you like a slap in the face by a smug Professor :P