Talk:South Dunedin

South Dunedin was nominated as a Geography and places good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (April 1, 2013). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

A fact from South Dunedin appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 May 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that the suburb of South Dunedin in Dunedin, New Zealand, contains one of only three known preserved gasworks museums in the world? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/May.

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Here are a few suggestions for potential article improvement:

• I believe you have clearly defined suburb boundaries in Dunedin (unlike here in Christchurch). If I'm right, I suggest you should at least describe the boundary roads, or better still include a map with the article. Schwede66 18:55, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• You could identify those buildings that are listed with the
  New Zealand Historic Places Trust. Have a look at the City Mall, Christchurch
  example.
• There used to be a railway line that went through the suburb towards St Clair, I believe. You can still see the corridor in Timaru Street and Royal Crescent, and there's all the historic railway stuff sitting south of Victoria Road these days. This deserves a mention.
• I'm not sure what the scope is of the article. Is it the suburb, or is it the wider area? At first, I had the impression that it's the suburb, but later on, I wasn't sure any longer. The section on Kensington could certainly form a free-standing article; it having its own entry in the
  Dunedin suburbs
  template would certainly support that.
• I suggest you make use of citation templates. Some refs are quite skinny, and I'm not sure that it's acceptable like that for GA class. Schwede66 19:30, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for that - I'll make a start on those changes. As to the definition of the suburb, yes and no. South Dunedin certainly had boundaries when it was a separate borough, but the term is far more general now, with no well-defined boundaries. The area south of Victoria road would definitely be regarded as St. Kilda rather than South Dunedin though, as that was a separate borough until only a handful of years ago and is still fairly well defined. Grutness...wha? 23:52, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've separated out the Kensington section into a separate article, added a few details from the NZHPT listings, and explained about the boundaries or lack of them. I'll deal with the rest when I've got a bit more time. Cheers, Grutness...wha? 00:55, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: 12george1 (talk · contribs) 16:23, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• "South Dunedin's 2006 population was 2,490, a decrease of 48 people from 2001." - Is it possible that you could get another a more recent population total?

• No - the 2011 New Zealand census was cancelled due to the Christchurch earthquake - there is a census planned for this year - once the data from that is released updating this information will be trivial. - Shudde ^talk 04:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• "The Flat, including St. Kilda, Forbury, Kensington, Musselburgh, and Tahuna." - "St. Kilda" ----> "Saint Kilda"

• Disagree here - see St Kilda (which redirects from Saint Kilda) - seems to be universally referred to as St Kilda (rather than St. Kilda or Saint Kilda). I've therefore changed to St Kilda throughout the article. - Shudde ^talk 04:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• "The flat land which makes up much of Dunedin's heart is enclosed to the south and east by Otago Harbour and to the north and west by a ridge of hills. At the southern end of central Dunedin, these hills form a ridge that (prior to reclamation) came close to the line of the harbour. To the south of this lies a broad plain, initially swampy but now drained and expanded by reclamation. This plain is the sie of South Dunedin." - Not sourced; also, I believe you meant to say "site" at the end, but "sie".
• The boundaries of South Dunedin are vaguely defined. Though the area was a separate borough briefly in the late nineteenth century, the borders which delimited that borough are no longer widely used as descriptors for South Dunedin. One major exception is South Dunedin's boundary with St. Kilda, which was a separate borough until far more recently. The line of Bay View Road is still seen as a border between South Dunedin and St. Kilda. This notion is enhanced by the change of name of one of the suburbs' main arterial roads at this boundary, with King Edward Street becoming Prince Albert Road as it passes into St. Kilda. - [citation needed]
• "To the east, South Dunedin's natural limit is Otago Harbour, and to the north a ridge of hills also forms a topographical boundary. At the foot of this ridge, however, lies the small suburb of Kensington and parts of the much larger borough of Caversham. Caversham also marks a limit at the western edge of South Dunedin, though in both cases the exact boundaries are not well-definted." - [citation needed]
• "At this junction, two main suburban arterial routes—King Edward Street and Hillside Road—cross. A small shopping mall, South City, is located at Cargill's Corner." - [citation needed]
• "King Edward Street is aligned roughly north-south, linking with the southern end of Princes Street and the centre city in the north with the densely populated coastal suburb of Saint Kilda. Hillside Road links Andersons Bay Road, a further major suburban arterial, in the east with the suburbs of Caversham, Corstorphine and Saint Clair in the west and southwest." - [citation needed]
• "Smaller, older shops stretch south along King Edward Street and west along Hillside Road from Cargill's Corner. To the east, along Hillside Road and Anderson's Bay Road are larger supermarkets and wholesalers, notably Pak'n Save, The Warehouse, Countdown, and Mitre 10 Mega. Further along Anderson's Bay Road to the south and to the west on Hillside Road are numerous car sale yards and light industrial works. These extend into Caversham in the west, and across the reclaimed land which lies between Andersons Bay Road and Portsmouth Drive in the south and east. At its southern extreme, King Edward Street becomes increasingly residential, though there are also light industrial premises here." - [citation needed]
• "Andersons Bay Road lies roughly parallel with King Edward Street some 0.5 kilometres (0.31 mi) to the east. This route, which roughly follows the original shoreline, connects with State Highway 1 and Dunedin's one-way street system in the north, and with the suburb of Musselburgh in the south. It also provides a major route from the centre city with Otago Peninsula." - [citation needed]
• "Other important roads in South Dunedin include Timaru Street on the Southern Endowment, and several streets which cross or meet King Edward Street, linking it with Anderson's Bay Road in the east or the suburbs of Saint Clair and Forbury in the west. These include Macandrew Road, Melbourne Street, McBride Street, and Bay View Road, the latter of which forms the boundary between South Dunedin and Saint Kilda." - [citation needed]
• "With the rapid expansion of the city at the time of the Otago Gold Rush of the 1860s, settlement expended, notably around what is now Hillside Road." - [citation needed]
• "The junction of Andersons Bay Road and Hillside Road, located nearby, is still sometimes referred to as "Caledonian Corner"." - [citation needed]
• "Other than the Hillside workshops and the gasworks, South Dunedin has several links with Dunedin's industrial heritage. Notable among these was the factory of G. Methven, one of New Zealand's leading bathroom fittings manufacturers. This company, founded by George Methven, was located for many years in Andersons Bay Road on a site now occupied by a Mitre 10 megastore. On the opposite side of Andersons Bay Road from this is the former location of one of the city's girls' secondary schools, Moreau College, which amalgamated with St. Paul's High School for boys in 1989 to become Kavanagh College. The Moreau site was disestablished, with the new school continuing on the St Paul's site in City Rise." - [citation needed]
• Reference #1 needs the publisher and accessdate.
• Reference #12 needs the correct title, publisher, and accessdate.
• Reference #15 needs the publication date.
  • Done. Grutness...wha? 23:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• The URL on Reference #16, it redirects to this page, which does not confirm the claims used in the article.
  • To quote from the page at that URL: "It is one of only three known preserved gasworks museums in the world. This is a significant local and world heritage site." Grutness...wha? 23:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Reference #17 needs the publisher and accessdate.
• Reference #19 is missing everything but the URL.
• That is all for now.--12george1 (talk) 16:23, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This has been inactive for four weeks. I've just pinged the nominator's talk page, to see whether Grutness wants to pursue the nomination. If there isn't any response soon, the review should probably be closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On Grutness's talk page, the response to the ping was "Might as well close it", and it also noted, "In any case, a lot of what requires citations can't be easily or quickly cited." 12george1, do you want to close it, or should I? (I'll close it in 24 hours if you haven't responded by then.) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:13, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Closed as not listed. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

South Dunedin's 2006 population was 2,490, a decrease of 48 people from 2001.[1]

This would've been a front page headline on ODT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.171.169.127 (talk) 11:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]