Talk:Survivor: Micronesia

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There is a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Survivor task force#Jury vote tables to list the vote totals in the same order as the names in the finalist row immediately above the vote totals. All interested editors are invited to join that discussion. Since the Survivor task force appears to be inactive, I'm notifying Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Reality television task force and the talk pages for each Survivor season in order to reach interested editors. Schazjmd (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here’s your evidence of disagreement, Vilenski. You can’t fix what isn’t broken just because it doesn’t fit your own arbitrary standards. 78.152.207.254 (talk) 00:14, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was primarily talking about the voting history charts. The Contestants section is actually somewhat improved, in my opinion. So we can keep that change. 78.152.207.254 (talk) 00:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have made this edit a few times but it has been undone (with warning on editing it again), so I have decided to discuss it here.

On the Survivor Reddit page, a question was asked on if Mikey B was sent home on an unaired revote.

Kathy Sleckman from the season commented on the post stating that “This did absolutely happen.” in response.

Here is a link to the post/comment in question: https://www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/w72529/comment/ihl4pix/

Please consider adding this information to the voting table. JackOffer69 (talk) 01:25, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We need need reliable sources, not claims on Reddit. --Masem (t) 01:26, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The comment confirming it happened was from Kathy who was on the season, who was at the tribal council, making it a reliable source. JackOffer69 (talk) 01:31, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's a primary source, which we can't use for claims of what when on behind the scenes. Masem (t) 01:55, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is precedent though. For the San Juan Del Sur page, for a time, Missy voting Jaclyn on the Final 6 revote used a tweet from Missy saying it. SurvivorFan84747 (talk) 01:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you and believe that it should be added. If it gets undone, then so be it, but I am a fan of Survivor and believe that like Missy voting for Jaclyn on the revote offscreen, the offscreen revote should be featured.

While Reddit is not a preferred source for this information, it appears that after searching that Reddit is the only source that has this information confirmed and as this information was confirmed by Kathy in the comments, it makes it more likely than not that a revote occurred since it was confirmed by a cast member who attended the tribal council in question and voted in the revote. What makes it more reliable is how Kathy was able to recall the discussion in between the original vote and revote.

Therefore, I will add the information back on to the page. Throwaway738392 (talk) 15:21, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page has been edited. Throwaway738392 (talk) 15:27, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also I forgot to say this, but it appears that the Survivor Wiki will use the post in question to edit the voting for the episode in its wiki so as a reader of the wiki, we should have consistency between the voting tables. Throwaway738392 (talk) 15:29, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reddit cannot be used as a source. So if that's the only place this us noted, we can't include it. We are not the fan-driven survivor wiki, we have more strict rules as to what is included Masem (t) 15:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notice: All participants in this discussion up to this point, excluding Masem, are sockpuppets of NatsFan4Ever. -- ferret (talk) 16:04, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just rewatched the tribal council in question (episode 4), and the outcome is as stated in the article prior to any change made concerning this Reddit post. While watching Probst read the votes (what made it to air), he clearly read Chet three times, and Mikey B five before it was obvious that he was out of the tribe (one vote was not read). So the first vote shown with these recent edits made using the Reddit claim as a source isn't possible and the post-tied vote would've been impossible as well as Probst read eight votes, not seven. Outside of that, there's the possibility that tribal council had to happen all over again with a completely new vote, but something like a production error would've had to happen to invoke this possibility. Certainly baffling. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:19, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Even if we were to accept Reddit as a source (and how do we actually know that's Kathy posting anyway), the only thing she could corroborate would be that there may have been a revote, and what her individual votes were. She couldn't verify whom the other players voted for. Based on the final results, two players would have had to have changed their votes for there to have been a tie. The original Reddit post uses the word "alleged" in describing the vote breakdown. Erik (presumably him) commented that he does not remember that vote and can't corroborate either way. There is no way to use this as a reliable source. Additionally, we have precedence... In Survivor: Winners at War, Sandra's eviction is reported to have occurred before Parvati's eviction, while the episode as aired showed Parvati's eviction first. Our voting table lists Parvati's eviction before Sandra's. We go by what's aired, barring an extreme exception. Bgsu98 (talk) 00:52, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've completed a requested

• I reviewed the naming conventions for contestants and tried to be consistent. Characters in fiction are generally referred to however they are referred to in the work. For non-fiction, people are generally referred to per
  MOS:SURNAME, by surname unless they are better known by a stage name or nickname. I took at look at the GAs Survivor: Borneo, Survivor: The Australian Outback, and Survivor: Cook Islands
  . They all use first names or nicknames (how they are referred to in the episodes), except for the sections Future appearances and Controversy. That sounds about right to me, making the in-show material more understandable and accessible while giving added formality for what happens outside the show.
• I condensed the short plot summaries in the episode table, per request at
  MOS:TVPLOT
  . They should all be under the recommended 200 word maximum now, except for episode 13 which is about 250 words. This is the episode where Erik gave up immunity and was voted out. As this is later noted by several sources as a standout moment in the franchise, I felt it was reasonable to give it a little more detail to make that more understandable and thus support the later parts of the article.
• The Cast Table has one column labelled Day, so it is redundant to format the cells beneath as Day #. The number alone is sufficient, and we should try to conserve space in tables.
• Someone was changing the dashes around. We use our own
  Manual of Style
  rather than following the styling used in sources, so a spaced en dash makes the most sense for Survivor: Micronesia – Fans vs. Favorites.
• At the beginning of reception, there are some statements from Probst and others about favourites/rankings. I think the article needs to give years there (or the latest season to air at that time) to give context, since there have been a lot more seasons and personal rankings may have changed.
• Some points that might come up at GAN:
  • MOS:TVPLOT
    allows for either a season summary or individual episode summaries in an article, but not both. I'm unaware if there's an exception for reality competition shows; the GAs noted above do have both, though their season summaries are shorter which may have allowed them to be overlooked. Be prepared to defend it. If you have to, the season summary could be shortened to one paragraph and moved to the lead, which would satisfy TVPLOT (make sure the lead does not exceed four paragraphs).
  • In the table "Challenge winners and eliminations by episode", The superscripted notes in blue are almost invisible against the purple background of some cells. I think this violates accessibility policy (See WP:Colour contrast). I'm not sure what the best way is to address this. You can try to shift the footnote to another cell, or lighten the colour in the cell. There is a table at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Colors which shows recommended colours, I think #D5ABFF may be best.
  • The lead could perhaps use a rewrite. There is some information which is only in the lead, and could perhaps be moved down to sections of the body then summarized in the lead. I did this with the viewers' favorite poll in the reunion episode, but left the rest alone. I feel like the lead is heavy with trivia (eg: the camps from previous seasons reused for this season, the number of jurors compared to other seasons) while not adequately summarizing the episodes (which comprise 70% of the article body). The lead is missing the year that the season was first broadcast.
  • In the section Contestants, the villages Airai and Malakal are linked, though the text suggests these links are for the tribes and not the villages.

Please {{

The superscripts are difficult to see against the purple background on the Season Summary table. I think the easiest solution would be to make the font color (of the superscripts) white to match the normal font color in the purple cells. I'm not sure how to do that, though... I'll look into it. Bgsu98 (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]