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The result of the move request was: page moved. Given the page history at 3 or 4 different titles someone may want to consider a history merge. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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Oppose There's a problem here as The Cup of Life (English version) isn't even included on the European CD single. Skinsmoke (talk) 17:48, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is the on European maxi and the US maxi single. And from I've seen, the English-version was used as the FIFA World Cup theme. EDIT: Also, it's the English version of the song that charted on the Billboard Hot 100. Source
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debut chart

  • Debut Latin Songs number #20
  • Debut Latin pop songs number #11
  • Debut Tropical songs number #9

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Love this song; it's going to be my pleasure to review for the backlog! --K. Peake 07:56, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: Good tatse! And thank you so much, I start fixing the issues now. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 13:26, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

  • Shouldn't the languages be separated in the infobox using bullet points instead of hlist?
  • 1997 recording date is not sourced in the body; it is only said that he was contacted by FIFA to record that year
  • Add the Spanish title in brackets in the lead instead at the same point (Spanish: "La Copa de la Vida")
  • You should add a sentence directly after the first one saying that "Martin created the song after
    anthem
    ." with the pipe
  • "Desmond Child and American musician Draco Rosa, and its production was handled by Desmond Child and Rosa." → "Desmond Child, and Draco Rosa, while the production was handled by the latter two." plus introductions to the songwriters are not needed since they are provided in the body
  • Remove pipe on official song
  • "with full positive lyrics." → "with fully positive lyrics."
  • Mention what the critics praised after stating the song has received widely positive reviews, also split the rankings info into a separate sentence about how "The Cup of Life" has been ranked as one of the best World Cup anthems of all-time by multiple publications, mentioning ones that this is including
  • "hitting the charts in" → "appearing on the charts in" for correct lead language
  • Add a sentence afterwards about the platinum certifications in both Australia and France, as these are notable for the lead
  • Remove introduction to Wayne Isham because that being in the body is sufficient
  • "and filmed in a" → "and filmed during a"
  • "Martin performed it on" → "Martin performed it for"
  • "and met with acclaim from music critics." → "and received acclaim from critics."
  • The Bush inaugural performance should be the sentence after the Grammys performance
  • "It's known as" → "The song has become known as" to be clear you are not referring to the performance
  • "that ushered the" → "being credited as ushering in the"
  • "Multiple artists and contestants on various music talent shows have recorded their own cover version of the song." → "Multiple artists contestants on various music talent shows have covered the song, including Carlito Olivero and Alondra Santos."
@Kyle Peake: Done. Except the one that you said "to be clear you are not referring to the performance". I exactly meant the performance ushered the "Latin explosion" per The Cup of Life#Legacy and influence. And that's why I wrote the Bush inaugural performance sentence after this. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 13:59, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background and release

  • Remove comma before A Medio Vivir
  • "in 1997 and was recording his fourth studio album, Vuelve at the same time," → "and recording Vuelve in 1997,"
  • Use the full 1998 FIFA World Cup identification
  • "Martin wrote about it in" → "Martin wrote about the request in"
  • "So K. C. Porter, Robi Rosa and Desmond Child" → "Following his acceptance, K. C. Porter, Robi Rosa, and Desmond Child"
  • "about the recording in his book:" → "about the recording in Me:"
  • Wikilink Latin music
  • Pipe Spanish to Spanish language
  • "on March 9, 1998 in" → "on March 9, 1998, in" but the Columbia label and several countries parts are not sourced
@Kyle Peake: I added a reference for Columbia label, but unfortunately for "several countries", I couldn't find anything better. El Tiempo mentions that "Vuelve" was the lead single and according to Billboard, "La Copa de la Vida" was the lead single in Europe and Asia. So, as far as I know and I could find data, "La Copa de la Vida" was the second single in the United States and Latin America. (After "Vuelve" which was the lead single there.) آرمین هویدایی (talk) 14:33, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the "in several countries" part without replacing it, but the rest of the sentence is fine now. --K. Peake 18:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyle Peake: Done. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 07:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mention the release date of the Sony Music Asia CD and add in European release(s) and possibly more Asian ones
@Kyle Peake: Sorry again, there's no data about the release date of the CD. At least I couldn't find. I only found that Billboard aticle, nothing else. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 14:33, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are quite a few with their track listings wrote out; can't you add some here? --K. Peake 18:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyle Peake: I checked them, but it was only release year, they didn't mention the exact release date. Tell me if I'm wrong. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 07:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pipe promo CD to Promotional recording
  • Remove comma before Ricky Martin
  • Add a comma after La Copa de la Vida (Remixes)

Music and lyrics

  • "which is described as "rousing"." → "which has been described as "rousing", and features both English and French lyrics." on the audio sample text
  • [3] should be solely at the end of the sentence, as it backs up parts from both before and after the midpoint
  • "mambo, and Europop beats." → "mambo, and Europop." since not all of these are beats, plus those are elements themselves
  • The info about languages on the chorus should come at the end of the para instead
  • "According to
    digital sheet music for the song," → "According to the song's sheet music
    on Musicnotes.com," with the wikilink
  • "American songwriter Desmond Child and American musician Draco Rosa, and its production was handled by" →"American songwriter Desmond Child, and American musician Draco Rosa, with its production being handled by"
  • "The song runs for a" → ""La Copa de la Vida" runs for a"
  • "describes "La Copa de la Vida" as a" → "described it as a" plus mention the name of the Billboard author
  • "and throughout the song, Martin carries" → "Throughout the song, Martin carries" since this should be a new sentence to avoid a run-on
  • "with full positive lyrics including," → "with fully positive lyrics, including:"

Critical reception

  • The audio sample's page says it has the fair use for "Tiburones"; fix this accordingly
  • Critical commentary from best-of rankings is used here, so change to "has been met with widely positive reviews"
  • "gives him "another" → "gave him "another"
  • "audiences" and reasons that" → "audiences", reasoning that"
  • "She questions, "is" → "She questioned, "is" plus shouldn't the lyrics of this quote be italicised like in the source?
  • Remove full-stop at the end of the above sentence since you can end on a question mark when it is part of the quote
  • "saying: "This whistle-heavy," → "saying that the "whistle-heavy,"
  • "classic Martin single."" → "classic Martin single"." per
    MOS:QUOTE
  • Move the O, The Oprah Magazine ranking to accolades instead
  • "describes it as" → "described the track as"
  • Put some of the quotes from the second and third paragraphs into your own words to avoid
    WP:QUOTEFARM
  • "Latino superstar Ricky Martin got the world" → "[...] Martin got the world"
  • "the world cup brings."" → "the world cup brings"." since this full sentence will be put into own words per my QUOTEFARM comment
  • "Martin's "The Cup of Life" would be" → ""La Copa de la Vida" would be

Accolades

  • Pipe BMI Latin Awards to BMI Film & TV Awards
  • 1999 Latin Billboard Music Awards should italicise Billboard
  • Mention notable ones of the all-time rankings from the table in prose too, i.e. a few of the high rankings; this needs to be done since you've mention the song being ranked among lists in the lead
  • All-time lists should not be a sub-section when the table already has its caption
  • hashtags should be replaced with N/A for the unranked lists
  • Remove pipe on the second Billboard ranking
  • Remezcla should not be italicised

Commercial performance

  • "the single hit the charts" → "the track hit the charts"
  • "the charts of 25 countries," → "the charts of 25," to be less repetitive
  • "making it one of Martin's most successful songs." → "making it one of the most successful World Cup songs." per the source
  • The double A-side single should be mentioned in background and release instead, but keep AU position here
  • "spent six weeks at number one in the country." → "spent six weeks at number one on the ARIA Singles Chart." with the pipe
  • The part about topping the year-end chart is basically the best-selling song stat repeated
  • "of over 70,000 copies." → "of over 70,000 copies in the country."
  • "It also peaked in the top 5 of Austria," → "The song also peaked within the top five in Austria," per
    MOS:NUM
  • "becoming his second number one hit in the country," → "where it became Martin's second number one hit,"
  • "of over 500,000 copies." → "of over 500,000 copies in the country."
  • "It also spent" → "The song also spent"
  • "and was a number one hit in" → "and was also a number one hit in"
  • "Netherlands,[74] and Norway." → "the Netherlands,[74] and Norway."
  • "his 11th top 20." → "his 11th top 20 release on the chart."
  • "held off the" → "being held off the"
  • Add release year of "No Sé Olvidar" in brackets
  • "becoming Martin's eighth top 10." → "while giving Martin his eighth top 10 track."
  • "number two and three" → "numbers two and three"
  • "The following week it" → "The following week, the former"
  • "and in its fourth week, it originally peaked at number 60." → "and originally peaked at number 60 in its fourth week on the Hot 100."
  • "it re-entered the chart" → ""The Cup of Life" re-entered the chart at number 95"
  • "As of May 2021, "The Cup of Life" is Martin's" → ""The Cup of Life" has since become Martin's"
  • Don't think Billboard is needed before Hot 100 here when the chart's full name has already been introduced
  • For the US charts in the first sentence of the fourth para, remove usage of the word "the" since otherwise you need to add "chart" after them all, grammatically
  • Add the word chart after US Hot Dance Maxi-Singles Sales
  • "it peaked at number 4," → "the song peaked at number four,"
  • "almost twelve years" → "almost 12 years"
  • "their US
    Latin Digital Song Sales
    chart, and"
  • "and later reached a peak of 20 the following June." → "before reaching a peak of number 20 in June."
  • "and although it was released" → "and although the song was released"
  • Pipe digital era to Digital distribution

Music videos

  • Img looks good!
  • "were filmed in a" → "were filmed at a"
  • "The videos for" → "The respective videos for" but only "The Cup of Life" video is sourced as airing in this year; maybe add a source for the other one?
  • Are you sure "another version of "La Copa de la Vida"" is correct since the source does not say it is third one, or should you write "the latter video"?
@Kyle Peake: Unfortunately, I couldn't find a good source for that, there was only websites who had copied from Wikipedia. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 07:52, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
آرمین هویدایی The source cited appears to refer to the latter video, so change to that in prose instead. --K. Peake 09:37, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "basically consists of" → "consists mainly of"
  • "plus shots of different" → "as well as shots of different"
  • "are being projected onto a wall" → "are projected onto a wall" to be less wordy
  • If you don't have anything from the 10 footballentertainment source about the video, try and fit at least a mention in before you write about all three videos to be clearer
@Kyle Peake: I'm sorry, is what I wrote now clear or should I change it again? آرمین هویدایی (talk) 08:01, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
آرمین هویدایی Add a mention of the third music video at the end of the para, using a source that writes about it or YouTube. --K. Peake 09:37, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyle Peake: Done. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 09:51, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • mitú should not begin with capitalisation
  • "as Martin's 8th best" → "as Martin's eighth best" per MOS:NUM

Live performances

  • Remove pipe on Martin for the quote box
  • "of "La Copa de la Vida" on" → "of "La Copa de la Vida" for"
  • "he performed the anthem" → "he performed as the official anthem" per the source
  • "Fabian Holt described it as" → "Fabian Holt describes it as" for correct book tense
  • Remove comma after "his book", also merge this para with the below one since three sentences is too short
  • "the then-chief of Columbia Records was" → "then-chief of Columbia Records, was"
  • Per rules on invoking refs, [107] should also be at the end of the above sentence and the quote from then-chief
  • "and a large number" → "alongside and a large number"
  • Add a comma after Rosie O'Donnell
  • "Billboard describes this performance" → "Billboard's Marjua Estevez described the performance"
  • "and ranks it as" → "and the publication ranked it as" but the only Latin artist part appears not to be sourced, unless I missed something? Either way, keep mention that the list is from 2017.
  • "on 2017 unranked" → "on a 2017 unranked"
  • "and on 2019 list" → "and on a 2019 list"
  • "describes the rendition as" → "described the rendition as"
  • "the 1998 Festivalbar and on the halftime show" → "the 1998 Festivalbar, and the halftime show"
  • "and "The Cup of Life" on Bingolotto TV Show." → "and "The Cup of Life" on Bingolotto." but the song is not sourced as being performed on the show
  • First inauguration of George W. Bush should be piped to from "first inauguration", plus wikilink him on first mention
  • "and danced with George W. Bush." → "and danced with him."
  • "on unranked list" → "on an unranked list"
  • "in his song" → "in his 2003 song"
  • The Hillary Clinton performance should be at the end of the section instead
  • Write the Greek Theatre instead per
    MOS:THEMUSIC
  • "was included on the set list for" → "was included on the set lists for"
  • "the One Night Only with Ricky Martin," → "the One Night Only with Ricky Martin tour,"
  • "the Ricky Martin Live,[133] the Live in Mexico," → "the Ricky Martin Live tour,[133] the Live in Mexico tour,"
  • "the 48th, 55th and 61st" → "the 48th, 55th, and 61st editions of the"
  • "in 2007, 2014 and 2020." → "in 2007, 2014, and 2020, respectively."
  • ""Livin' la Vida Loca" and" → ""Livin' la Vida Loca", and"
  • "he was joined by" → "Martin was joined by" but it is sourced that he performed the Spanish titled version
  • "on
    fourteenth season
    's"

Cover versions and appearances in media

  • "The former Menudo member" → "Former Menudo member"
  • The Axis of Awesome → the Axis of Awesome, per MOS:THEMUSIC
  • "of "La Copa de la Vida" on" → "of "La Copa de la Vida" for the second semi-final of"
  • Use the word "and" instead of the symbol
  • "features re-make versions of" → "features re-made versions of"

Legacy and influence

  • InStyle staff → InStyle staff, about the performance at the 41st Annual Grammy Awards
  • "for world cup songs and" → "for World Cup anthems, and"
  • "in World Cup anthems," → "in the anthems,"
  • Start the following sentence with Esquire instead, as PF doesn't belong here due to being repeated from earlier
  • "this musical subgenre"." → "this musical subgenre" of Latin."
  • "World Cup anthem, in which its video was just" → "World Cup anthem to have a video just"
  • "but also changed how people" → "but also altered how people" to be less repetitive
  • "It is known as" → "It has been known as"
  • "effectively ushered the" → "effectively ushered in the"
  • "described his rendition as" → "described the rendition as"
  • "his rendition has been" → "it has been"
  • "the United States mainstream." → "the US mainstream." per
    MOS:US

Formats and track listings

  • Are you sure the apostrophe is needed after Jason Nevins?

Credits and personnel

  • Increase the width of the div col; take "
    Selah
    " for example

Charts

Weekly charts

Year-end charts

  • Good

Decade-end charts

  • Change chart positions to chart performance

Certifications

  • Good

Release history

  • Add this table here since you have more than enough releases of the song to include

See also

  • Good

References

  • Copyvio score looks decent at 37.5%
  • Pipe Nielsen Business Media to Nielsen Holdings on ref 4
  • Pipe El Tiempo to El Tiempo (Colombia) on ref 5
  • Wikilink El Siglo de Torreón on ref 6
  • Cite uDiscoverMusic as work/website instead for ref 12
  • WP:OVERLINK
    of Billboard on refs 13 and 72
  • Since I cannot access ref 37 due to the archive being a download, I will ask should there be a publisher or is the ref not citing a book?
@Kyle Peake: No, it's not citing a book. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 09:52, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the publisher then, so the ref layout is correct. --K. Peake 10:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fix
    MOS:CAPS
    issues with refs 45, 46, 99 and 100
  • Cite Remezcla as publisher instead for ref 50
  • Cite CNN as publisher instead for ref 54
  • Info Disc → InfoDisc on ref 65
  • Italicise Billboard in ref 98's title
  • Cite YouTube using the via parameter instead for refs 103, 104 and 105
  • mitú should not begin with capitalisation on ref 106
  • Are you sure ref 132 is a reliable source?
@Kyle Peake: I don't know, I changed it. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 10:11, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:OVERLINK of Hoy on ref 136
  • Author-link Ellen DeGeneres on ref 142 and cite Facebook in via instead
  • Shouldn't Latinos Post be cited as work/website instead for ref 145?
  • WP:OVERLINK of The Wall Street Journal on ref 153
  • Remove or replace ref 180, as anyone can edit AllMusic for this type of info

External links

  • Good

Final comments and verdict

  •  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; notice that I added in a few extra comments for the first two body sections. --K. Peake 18:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyle Peake: Thank you so much for devoting your time and reviewing this article. Every time, I learn more things from you. I tried to fix all the issues and I hope I haven't missed anything. I'm sorry about the release dates that I couldn't find. Thanks again, I really appreciate your reviews. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 10:20, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
آرمین هویدایی Fabulous work once again, but you still need to remove the publisher from the Univision ref and fix overquoting of the PF review. --K. Peake 10:31, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyle Peake: Done. I'm so grateful for your help. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 10:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
آرمین هویدایی ✓ Pass time, incredible that this article has reached GA-status only a day after I even opened the review!!! --K. Peake 10:56, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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