Talk:Water supply and sanitation in the State of Palestine

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What do you think about combining somewhere the main data about the aquifers in Israel AND Palestine? Just the physical, not the political data. I just copied the main info on natural water resources from here into Water supply and sanitation in Israel, where so far it was missing (?!), and added there a few words about the Galilee and the Negev. As we know, the physical geography of these two political entities is inextricably connected, the hydrography maybe more visibly so than any other aspect: the water crosses all political boundaries not only above ground, but (mainly?) underground, as aquifers; and in ecological terms, what you do upstream also affects everyone downstream. The two politically overloaded articles could then be linked to the "clean" one on hydrology, and continue fighting it out on the 'conflict' level. Opinion? PS: I've posted this idea also here and here. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 12:50, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I am referring to section 7.2.1 The Joint Water Committee I would like to add the following after the text "Instead, decisions can be passed to a higher political level.": Israel and the PA had a tacit understanding that they would approve each other's water projects. That came to an end with the more politicized Palestinian approach of recent years, a policy which unquestionably harms the well-being of the Palestinian people far more than any disruption of service for West Bank settlers - even if the goal of the PA's water policy is, more generally, to inflict harm on Israel's reputation by challenging its humaneness in connection with something so basic as water. [1] [1] "Let There Be Water" by Seth Siegel p176 Dschulberg (talk) 00:59, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Um, do you have a source we can attach to the end of that? If you find one please re-activate this request. GreenFrogsGoRibbit (talk) 12:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that all the water systems of the Palestinians are under israeli control is incorrect. Under the 1994 Cairo Agreement, the water supply system in the Gaza Strip was transferred to Palestinian control. The Palestinians have become responsible for the management, development and maintenance of water and sewage systems. The exceptions were the Israeli localities, mainly in Gush Katif, where the drilling, piping and collecting pools remained Israeli-owned. With the implementation of the disengagement plan in 2005, the water systems that served the Israeli localities, including 25 water wells, storage ponds and a developed transportation system, were also transferred to the Palestinian Authority. At the end of the disengagement, all water and sewage systems in the Gaza Strip were under Palestinian control. Immediately after Israel left the Gaza Strip, more than 3,000 pirate wells were drilled there. These drillings have severely damaged the quality of Gaza aquifer water and the overall water economy of the Strip. This situation continues and intensifies. This is because there are far more illegal drillings than drills that are done legally, which increases the overall damage that is difficult to repair.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a06:5580:3:6400:ad4f:76cc:5f7d:ca48 (talk • contribs) 29 December 2020 (UTC)

After reading this article and the cited sources, I agree with the IP's comments. The lede is highly misleading in this regard, and there's nothing in the article that supports this assertion. Longhornsg (talk) 17:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No need to tag the entire article, the problematic material is already tagged in the lead.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/17/how-israel-uses-water-to-control-west-bank-palestine This article says "Israel controls about 80% of water reserves in the West Bank,.." but then there are differences in different areas, Gaza, Area C and other factors that are a part of the overall problem.

Looking around, there is plenty of sourcing available to fix up the article at any rate. Selfstudier (talk) 17:33, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

op has deliberately presented the information here in a way that is misleading. The events OP discussed lead to the creation of a formal Palestinian water authority, but that does not mean they are independent or in control of their water supply. The Israeli water authority still supplies the majority of water because they still have rights to the majority of viable water infrastructure and the Palestinian water authority must apply to the Israeli govt to create or improve any water infrastructure, including rain water collection. The Palestinian water authority is allocated 10-15% of the water that comes from the Israeli water authority and any excess is bought by private citizens. There may be a source for what they say but it’s contradicted by independent and credible reporting by groups such as Amnesty international and UNICEF who have directly worked on the creation of desalination infrastructure in Gaza, which is some of the only potable water that they independently control. This article should not be flagged as a whole for the reasons OP described. Op also did not provide any reputable sources to improve the quality of the article so I don’t understand why or how it is still flagged if the reason is purely based on this unverified and unsourced comment. Dogsrcool420 (talk) 00:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I also will point out that the only original source I can find for the claims made are from ngo monitor, which is an infamous far right website that has been banned from use by many journalist outlets like AP because it artificially boosts articles “debunking” things like UNHRC reports that are critical of the Israeli govts actions wrt water supply in Palestine so their page appears before the actual report. This website does not meet Wikipedia standards and claims from it should not be included in any article without context, nor should they be used to dispute the veracity of an article. This page is currently restricted but this should be rectified asap since this is getting high traffic right now and can lead to a misinformation loop. Are there any admins watching this that can at least remove the flag ? Dogsrcool420 (talk) 10:44, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is it exactly that you want edited? Selfstudier (talk) 11:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a message for extended confirmed users who can edit the article. I would like you to add a detail to increase clarity.

At the end of the Overview section, the article states that "The World Health Organization's minimum consumption per capita of water is 100 litres per diem." This sentence seems out of context without additional information about Palestinian consumption of water.

I suggest that the sentence be changed to "In 2011 The Palestinian Water Authority reported that the average domestic, urban and industrial consumption of water in the parts of the West Bank connected to the water grid was 73 litres per capita per day, less than the WHO-recommended minimum of 100 litres."

This proposed revision uses information from the same source as the original sentence. Prometheus Pancake (talk) 23:15, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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In the section "Division in the Oslo II Accord" change the sentence

80 mcm was supposed to come from to drill new wells.

to something like

80 mcm was supposed to come from the drilling of new wells. AmbitiousAmphibian (talk) 14:14, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Actualcpscm ^{scrutinize, talk} 17:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]