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Requested move 5 November 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SkyWarrior 01:29, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sheriff Woody → Woody (Toy Story) – It is a much better name for the article and some people have not heard the term Sheriff Woody as you can see in talk:woody Kaleeb18 (talk) 22:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 01:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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New Image

We need an updated picture in the theme park section for Woody that is what his character used to look like in the parks but he got an update so if anyone has a good picture of the updated version of him please upload it Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:26, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 November 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved (

Calidum 18:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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– I Propose we move

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Woody (Toy Story) monthly page view is 18,229. While Woody the disambiguation page get a monthly view of 572. Woody plant gets 4,163 monthly views. Woodland gets 7,630. SunTrap get 349 monthly views. Woody (singer) only gets 272. Woody (name) only gets 721. DJ Woody gets 187. Woody, Texas barely gets 192 monthly views. Woody, California. The only thing I see getting more views is Wood at 29,956 monthly views, but no one calls wood, when talking about its name, Woody they call it wood. Note all I did was look at the monthly average of all the articles that came from the woody disambiguation page so there could be some things I didn't see. This is where I got my info from. Kaleeb18 (talk) 02:35, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Oppose woody is a common enough adjective, no harm is being done to searchers having (Toy Story) on the article. At the most a primary redirect. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:36, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Page views do not prove that Woody (Toy Story) is the
    WP:RECENTISM. (See also previous discussion in Talk:Woody § Requested move 3 November 2021) ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 09:58, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    oh ok Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:34, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • hearing problem? wbm1058 (talk) 13:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    @Wbm1058: sorry I just thought maybe this time if I did research and actually presented something Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:31, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I also thought that some people would support because ZXCVBNM said that he thought it could be moved to just Woody. Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:38, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per the above. Now lets all go where everybody knows your name. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:08, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per link I provided in the previous RM near the end of my reasoning - that does not always mean primary topic and "wood" is more common than this character. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 12:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. "Woody" is too generic a word to specifically refer to this character. JIP | Talk 01:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Woody is far too generic of a word to refer specifically to this character. --Khajidha (talk) 17:25, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support He is far more recognized as Woody within media mentions, none of the other entries seem to be as notable compared to him. There are similar fictional character articles that use a generic name such as Mario and Luigi. Should we change those titles as well if applying the same logic most of the comments here are pointing out? SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 04:02, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I would say, yes, we should change those. --Khajidha (talk) 18:03, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, too many choices. My first thought would be Woody Allen, or Woody Woodpecker, then you've got your Woody Hayes, and so on. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @
    WP:PRIMARYTOPIC it says that a primary topic is not based on what you think of first Kaleeb18 (talk) 01:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply
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    Mia Farrow would differ. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is a sensible proposal and I see where the nom is coming from. However, we have the issue, as pointed out in the previous RM, of long-term significance (which favours the generic meanings of the word over the name of the character). And there's also no primary topic with respect to usage: the pageviews can only serve as vague hints to what readers are looking for (because the vast majority of those views come from following links from other articles, not from direct reader searches). If you look at the WP:Clickstream data for the dab page, on the other hand, you'd see the actual proportions of desired articles for the readers who do land on the primary title. For the month of March, the link to the character was followed 146 times, the link to Woody (name): 112 times, Woody Allen: 35, Woody plant: 24, and Woodie: 27 (there's no data for links that got clicked fewer than 10 times). So, the fictional character is sought by about 32–43% of readers, which is well below the threshold for a primary topic. – Uanfala (talk) 15:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Uanfala:Thank you for your response I now see why we shouldn't move to the article to Woody. Now how do we close this discussion? Kaleeb18 (talk) 02:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    In principle, you can withdraw the nomination (you can just close the discussion as "withdrawn": see Wikipedia:Simple RM closing instructions for the technicalities). However, this should normally be done only if there have been no editors supporting the proposal. There was one here though, so it's probably best to let someone else close it. RM discussions normally run for seven days before being closed, so there's just a day or two left. – Uanfala (talk) 12:39, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Gotcha Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:07, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Definitely no clear primary topic here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Did you know nomination

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The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 04:59, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Article was not 5x expanded; indeed, it shrank during the recent editing. If the article should ever be listed as a Good Article, it can be nominated within seven days of passing.

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5x expanded by Kaleeb18 (talk) and VladimirBoys (talk). Nominated by Kaleeb18 (talk) at 14:06, 13 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hi Kaleeb18, unfortunately I do not think this article is eligible for DYK. You'd need to have expanded the text content by 5x in length, which I am not seeing in the page history. You'll also need to resolve the many tags for additional citations and expansion in the article. Your best bet would be to get it to good article status and renominate then. See the DYK rules for more details. PS: I removed the image from this nomination, fair use (ie. copyrighted) images are permitted in articles only - Dumelow (talk) 14:35, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok that's fine if it can't be nominated and thanks for the suggestion. I'm also wondering what 5x or five fold means like how do I know if an article has been expanded 5 fold. Kaleeb18 (talk) 16:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Kaleeb18, no worries and good luck with the article. The expansion is based on the number of characters (ie. letters, spaces etc.) in the article before you started work on it and the number after you've finished. You can use a script like Wikipedia:Did you know/DYKcheck but I just copy the article text into an online character counter (there's loads of websites if you do a Google search for "character counter" or similar) - Dumelow (talk) 16:40, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok, thanks again. Kaleeb18 (talk) 16:44, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's also a handy Prosesize gadget that you can install from your Wikipedia preferences. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 23:37, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ClaudineChionh: is there an article describing hiw that gadget works or what it does? Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:55, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A week before nomination, the page was 26257 characters. Now it is 15914, so it has shrunk. You would have to get to about 132000 characters to pass the 5x, so not really feasible. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:01, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Graeme Bartlett: yeah I forgot we removed a setion called relationships, which talked about Woody's relationship with everyone in the movie, was completely unnecessary and we got rid of 16,000 bytes by getting rid of that section. Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kaleeb18: Yes – the Prosesize link I gave earlier. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 05:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Pamzeis (talk · contribs) 05:58, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]


I'll take this one on. I've only watched Toy Story and Toy Story 4 (well, I watched Toy Story 3 but forgot what happens) so apologies for any plot-related mistakes. Expect some comments by Sunday. Will try not to screw this up Pamzeis (talk) 05:58, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pamzeis Thank you, Ive touched up the lead section based off what youve said so what do you think? ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 18:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Prose

  • Toy Story: The Musical should be italicised (all instances)

Lead

Development

  • under Disney chairmen — chairman or chairmen? There seems to be only one...
  • film Toy Story together — Toy Story should be in italics
  • main character, and Woody — I do not think the comma is needed
  • character, and reportedly — I do not think the comma is needed
  • Lasseter also decided Tinny was "too antiquated"; the character was first changed to a military action figure and was eventually given a space theme. Tinny's name changed from Lunar Larry, to Tempus from Morph, and eventually changed to his final name Buzz Lightyear (after astronaut Buzz Aldrin). — this does not belong in Woody's article
  • August 2009 Lee — comma after 2009
  • Unkrich, Toy Story 3 director — Toy Story 3 should be in italics
  • stating that Hanks, "has" — no comma
  • how Hanks voice might — missing apostrophe
  • The early test footage of using Hanks' voice from Turner & Hooch, convinced Hanks to sign on to the film. — I don't think a comma should be there as it's making me read this sentence as nonsense
  • in video games and other merchandise Tom — comma after merchandise

Characteristics

  • Can this be moved below #Appearances? A lot of it doesn't make sense to me without reading #Appearances
  • He is Andy's → He has been Andy's
  • since he was a bit selfish → since he is somewhat selfish (
    MOS:PLOT
    )
  • show, Woody's Roundup. — no comma
  • that Woody was "kind → that Woody is "kind (
    MOS:PLOT
    )
  • outtakes of Toy Story 2, Woody — Toy Story 2 should be in italics
  • which included hiding → which include hiding (
    MOS:PLOT
    )
  • Buzz Lightyear cardboard box to — missing apostrophe
  • Buzz Lightyear cardboard ... as Buzz walks ... hundreds of Buzz Lightyear toys ... on Buzz's helmet ... using Buzz's wings — too many instances of "Buzz"

Appearances

Reception and legacy

  • Forbes, Screen Rant, Sioux City Journal, Polygon, The Guardian, The A.V. Club, Looper, The Colombian, Hollywood Insider, Rolling Stone, Dancing with the Stars and The Late Late Toy Show should all be in italics
  • that Woody, along with Buzz, are great leaders → Woody, along with Buzz, is a great leader
  • Woody's arc to people, saying — can it be made more clear that he's referring to real-life people?
  • criticized Woody saying that — I think there's a missing comma?
  • center of this [the] saga — why is "[the]" there?
  • While Dowd from The A.V. Club commented though Woody "Always does the right thing eventually" he can be "Selfish, petulant, vain, resentful, churlish, and petty.", but said that "Those less flattering qualities also make him among the most three-dimensional of cartoon characters." — this sentence is kinda long; try splitting it. Also, there's a stray full stop in the second quote
  • en Kaye of — typo?
  • career."[84]P eter Bradshaw, film — missing space, extra space?
  • one of the 100 Greatest Characters of the Last 20 Years — why is this in italics?
  • dancing competition, Dancing with — no comma
  • as Woody, while dancing — ditto
    • @Pamzeis: What does this mean so I can fix what the problem is. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 18:27, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    NVM ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 18:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 2011 Ryan — comma after 2011
  • Irish show the Late Late Toy — the should be capitalised
  • Toy Show, dressed ... open the show — kinda repetitive
  • In 2019 at — comma after 2019
  • I would prefer for the third and fourth paragraphs to have an "introduction sentence" too because they just seem to come out of nowhere
  • There seems to be a massive amount of quoting in this section. Not only does this get rather boring after some time, but this can lead to
    WP:OVERQUOTING, which causes potential COPYVIOs; the detector
    shows a 50%+ similarity. Try paraphrasing and trimming the quotes to reduce this.

Sources

Reliability

More to come...

  • Inside the Magic
  • Orlando Fun Tickets
  • wdwinfo
  • Yesterland
  • Attractions Magazine
  • Seattle's Child
  • Disney on Ice
  • Rotoscopers

Verifiability

  • Quotes in the lead need citations per
    WP:LEADCITE
  • The quote about Woody's last name isn't supported by the article
  • fn 3: which bit mentions that the Disney execs "they left creative control to Pixar and sent negative feedback about the draft"?
  • As mentioned in Toy Story 2, his construction includes an "original hand-painted face, natural dyed-blanket stitched vest", and "hand-stitched poly-vinyl hat". — if this is mentioned in the film, then it should be cited using {{cite AV media}}
  • Woody also wears an empty gun holster at his belt. — this sentence is unsourced
    • Comment Why does this one need to be sourced? it also shows that in the infobox picture. (I found a source to use just wondering why it needs to be sourced :) ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 14:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      I guess
      WP:CAPTAINOBVIOUS
      may apply, but my biggest qualm is that, from the image, it may be unclear that it is specifically an empty gun holster
      • I would like to help this GAN. I did removed every unreliable sources you said Pamzeis, but if Kaleeb18 refused, I think its safe for this to fail. 2001:4455:1A9:E100:2D80:8F3A:6CD5:3C83 (talk) 10:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • I fixed those few remaining unsolve issues. 2001:4455:1A9:E100:2D80:8F3A:6CD5:3C83 (talk) 10:58, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
          I did not refuse to do that. I got rid of the unreliable sources and if I did not get rid of some from the list
          WP:RSN if it was okay to use and some of them were. I just want to let you know I reverted some of your good faith edits. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 12:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
          ]

Other

Apologies, but due to my schedule I will not be able to complete the review until next week or later. Pamzeis (talk) 06:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 12:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Second look

  • Tom Hanks brother — missing possessive
  • voices him in Lamp Life — Lamp Life should be in italics and explained (either with a description or wikilink)
  • Unkrich stated in his Twitter feed "Woody's actual full name is 'Woody Pride', and has been since the earliest days of developing the original Toy Story". — this quote isn't mentioned in the article and is likely
    WP:UNDUE
    weight in the lead
  • The fourth paragraph still focusses too much on the fourth film, with barely any mention of the others
    • @Pamzeis: I’m a little confused by what you mean here. Do you just want me to get rid of the text in green? ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 14:55, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Twitter feed, that Woody's — I'm pretty sure the comma shouldn't be there
  • Prospector's plan are foiled — plural or not?
  • Everything in #Films should be in present tense, except for flashbacks, etc.
  • Shanghai's Toy Story land there — land should be capitalised if it is part of the title and the should be a comma before there
  • and some other Toy Story characters — Toy Story should be italicised
  • follows the story line of the — storyline is one word
  • Channel series Hannah Montana. — Hannah Montana should be in italics
  • on Ice: Celebrate Memories . — extra space
  • All the sentences of #Disney on Ice start with Woody, making them monotonous
  • Toy Story related-video games, with — Toy Story should be in italics
  • I still don't see any justification for why Inside the Magic should be considered a reliable source
    • I guess there isn’t a reason. It’s just because that and other Disney blogs are the only things that have said there is a toy story mania in Tokyo Disneysea ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 14:58, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    well I actually found a ref really had to dig for that one. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 02:53, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More to come... sorry for the delay. Pamzeis (talk) 14:43, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • with other toy story characters — Toy Story needs to be capitalised and italicised  Done
  • The Old Man and the Sea by — italics  Done
  • At the 88th Academy Awards, Woody and Buzz featured to honor the 20th anniversary of Toy Story's Oscar win, presented the Oscar — kinda sloppy  Done
  • when they don't know — remove the contraction  Done
  • Entertainment Weekly named Woody one of the 100 Greatest Characters of the Last 20 Years, and — the "Last 20 Years" could be anytime. When did EW rank them?  Done added details.
  • by Hollywood Insider declaring that — I think there's something missing but I can't quite put my finger on it
  • Ashton wore Toy Story — Toy Story needs italics  Done
  • COPYVIO score is still pretty high
    • Probably because of the quotes at the box. I've done the other issues, perhaps we could remove those quotes for copyvio reasons? Kaleeb18. 2001:4455:1A9:E100:39AB:A681:F94:D1E3 (talk) 07:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, the quote box is fine I’ll handle it. Also @Pamzeis: what is not a reliable source and what is not in focus? And what does I can’t put a finger on it mean? ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 12:38, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • To answer your first question, Inside the Magic is the unreliable source and the undue quote in the lead is the focus problem. I review the same version without acknowledging changes... so IDK what the article looks like now. Not being able to put a finger on something means... I can't quite put my finger on the definition but basically there seems to be something missing in the quote, but I can't determine what is missing. Ping me once you've resolved all the comments, BTW. Pamzeis (talk) 12:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
          • @Pamzeis: It looks like they are all done. I got rid of the quote in the lead but not it saying his last name is pride. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 13:04, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Tom Hanks brother — still, missing possessive  Done
  • used to be in in a popular TV show — double in  Done
  • about it and production of the — there either should be a the in front of production or of should be changed to on  Done
  • However, his position was jeopardized by the arrival of Buzz Lightyear, an astronaut action figure that Andy got as a birthday present. ... the toys did not believe Woody and became more antagonistic towards him ... fight separated them from Andy ... Woody taught Forky the joys and responsibilities of being a toy ... rescue plan failed, with Woody ... after Buzz assured Woody — present tense  Done
  • spot. the toys return — capital letter  Done
  • played with like he used to — awkward  Done
  • show Lamp Life. — italics  Done
  • after Woody, which are Woody's Lunch Box — clunky  Done
  • song Hoedown Throwdown from — "Hoedown Throwdown" needs quotes around  Done
  • movies".[9] But Nate Birch of Fatherly criticized Woody, saying that he is an "irredeemable jerk" and that he is the “heartless villain” of Toy Story.[75] While Dowd — I don't think the punctuation is correct here  Done
  • work in Toy Story, is one of — no comma  Done
  • The second paragraph of #Reception and legacy is quite boring because it mostly consists of X of Y said Z. Try varying the sentence rhythm  Done
  • by Hollywood Insider declaring that — comma after Insider  Done
  • something we all want — using first person without quoting is informal  Done
  • Woody, while dancing to "You've Got a Friend in Me". Spicer — no comma, songs aren't italicised.  Done

We're getting really close! Pamzeis (talk) 09:14, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Pamzeis: Alright, I have done everything from the third look. Glad we are almost done! ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 13:01, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Hanks’ voicing him — why is there an apostrophe?  Done
  • Tom Hanks brother — do I need to say anything? But really, there is still a missing apostrophe  Done sorry I had a hard time trying to figure out where the apostephe went from the hird look and of course I placed it in the wrong spot lol dont even know why I put it on the one above.
  • the toys did not believe Woody — present tense  Done
  • lost toy wouldn't understand — contractions are not encycloædic  Done
  • In the second paragraph of #Toy Story 4, most of sentences start with Woody, making it monotonous  Done
  • waterhole!".[b][68] his construction includes — capital letter  Done
  • Story.[75] Dowd from — comma, not full stop  Done
    • why would a comma be put after Story when a whole new sentence is starting?
      Because the sentence before isn't a full sentence... Pamzeis (talk) 03:40, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dowd from — is he one of those cool people with only one name or does he have a first name?  Done
    • Well, the article says A. A. Dowd so he only reveals his last name. Do you want me to put A. Dowd or just leave as is?
  • of all time."[84] declaring — capital letter  Done

Mostly trivial; really, really close. I'm honestly going a bit mad from reading the article so many times. I need to read it... at least one more time Pamzeis (talk) 02:53, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm so sorry, I'm so bad with grammar sometimes. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 03:25, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are there still any issues? 2001:4455:364:A800:CD09:1137:D247:C321 (talk) 02:02, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
She is giving a fifth look and will come out wit a review soonish. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 02:12, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Fifth look

After five loooooooooooong looks, I think we're all good! Sorry for letting this drag on so long, been kinda stressed lately... We. Made. It. Pamzeis (talk) 10:31, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Pamzeis: Yay! Glad it’s finally a GA and no problem I did not mind waiting at all. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 12:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Trey Allen

Allen 162.0.192.126 (talk) 14:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Umm what does this mean? ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 14:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Last name "Pride".

Woody's last name is "Pride", right? So, why make "Woody Pride" a redirect to Woody (Toy Story)??!! FlapjackRulez (talk) 06:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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