Talk:Yorkshire County Cricket Club

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BetacommandBot 23:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most of this article is absolute drivel.

1.An over emphasis on the last 10 years

2.Unsubstantiated rubbish on the Boycott era - what were the factions - says who? about what?

3.Nothing really on the real hsitory and back ground.

4.Correctly the famous players has been removed as it is something one might find in a kiddies book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.216.183 (talk) 22:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Little has been taken from authorative texts except the stats. What were the featherbed pitches of the thirties - they were uncovered - all rubbish - it should be deleted and re-written —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.216.183 (talk) 23:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the record section from the end of the article and placed it

I also removed the international players section. I don't think such a section is needed, and it is incomplete and out of date. It could maybe be replaced as prose. Original is

here. --Sarastro1 (talk) 00:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply

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I entirely agree with the complete removal of both these sections. One is heavily against

WP:NOTSTATS and is pointless given the proliferation of these mind-numbing statistics on sites like CricketArchive; the other is POV and is impossible to maintain. The way to ensure all notable players feature in the article is to include them at the appropriate point of the narrative. The article still needs a lot of work but it is already looking much better than it did when those unnecessary lists were in it. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 08:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply

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I've now removed this from Somerset too, and placed it in separate list articles (you know me and my lists!): Somerset County Cricket Club#Records will include a short prose section on some of the more notable records, while List of Somerset first-class cricket records, List of Somerset List A cricket records, List of Somerset Twenty20 cricket records house the actual lists. Might be worth doing here too. I've also removed the notable players section, although it wouldn't surprise me to see it return soon. Harrias ^talk 22:44, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This section begins with a cross-reference to Sheffield Cricket Club and it is immediately apparent that the details given in the Sheffield article do not comply with those in earliest Yorkshire. For example, the piece about cockfighting is a 1757 reference in Sheffield, not 1751. It seems to me that there is an over-reliance on two main sources in the Yorkshire article and I am dubious about Hodgson in particular.

In addition, there is a glaring error where the Darnall Ground (dated 1820s) is mentioned in connection with overarm bowling. I know for a fact that overarm began in the 1860s so is this to do with roundarm? In any case, why does it precede matches against Nottingham which took place 50 years earlier?

I think a lot of work is needed here and I especially believe that many more sources should be consulted and not just so-called "official histories". --Mykleavens (talk) 11:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have rewritten much of this section by copying relevant text and sources from the Sheffield article. --Mykleavens (talk) 12:33, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After copying the source in the Sheffield article, I notice it contains a wikilink to G. B. Buckley, the author of the source in question. Having read the article about Buckley, I think it is safe to assume that he is the more credible author as he evidently drew his material direct from primary sources in the 18th century. In addition, he has been recommended by John Arlott, no less. I doubt if Hodgson, Kilburn or Woodhouse worked to his level of detail. I believe, therefore, that the article now has an accurate account of Yorkshire cricket's early history. --Mykleavens (talk) 08:00, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I notice in the squad section that Gurman Randhawa has a red link because there is no article about him. I assume this is because he has not yet played for the first team and so does not meet the site's guidelines on article qualification. Presumably a cricketer must have a first-class record to qualify; or must have played in an international, perhaps? Can anyone point out what these rules are relating to cricketers?

I would have thought that Randhawa should have an article as he is a member of Yorkshire's squad, but is that enough? --Mykleavens (talk) 09:00, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See

WP:CRIN for cricket notability. Keith D (talk) 14:47, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply

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Many thanks. That explains it well. Randhawa may have an article when he makes his first appearance in a first-class or ListA match. I think we will definitely see him this season. --Mykleavens (talk) 16:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've been restructuring the article to try and comply with standards in other articles about sporting clubs, some of which are star rated. This is why there are now a couple of headings with no content as yet.

I think we need to be very careful of overdoing the history sections. I believe we should create supplementary articles which cover historical periods in depth and restrict the coverage in this article to overviews of each period. --Mykleavens (talk) 20:50, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Noticing that recent years are very scantily covered in comparison to earlier years, when this is rectified then the history section will be far to much for this article. So I think that your proposal to split off into sub-articles would be appropriate. This works in football articles so cannot see a problem in cricket articles for which there is no

FA county articles to follow. Keith D (talk) 22:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply

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Nearly all the history up to 1914 was written by Sarastro1 and I think he should have his say on this. --Mykleavens (talk) 18:23, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not really being into cricket articles, but the appearance of the Honours section at the top of the article seems to break up any flow and I would have expected this to have been down the bottom as is generally the case in other sporting articles. Keith D (talk) 22:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I left it alone because it looks as if all the other county club articles have the same format but maybe we in Yorkshire should set the standard?  :-) --Mykleavens (talk) 18:21, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This cites Rafiq as being the first player of Asian origin to captain England at any level. However Nasser Hussain, born in India, captained England prior to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JenCousins (talk • contribs) 16:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]