Template:Did you know nominations/In Freundschaft

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 22:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

In Freundschaft

Suzanne Stephens in 1990

• ... that In Freundschaft, a composition for one instrument, was written by Karlheinz Stockhausen in friendship as a birthday present for clarinetist Suzanne Stephens (pictured), and adapted over decades to the instruments other friends played? Source: several
  • ALT1:... that In Freundschaft was composed in friendship by Karlheinz Stockhausen, first for the clarinet of Suzanne Stephens (pictured), and then adapted to the instruments other friends played?

• Reviewed: Gather (film)
• Comment: The original contains most of what could be said, still omitting that the premiere was played in 1977 on flute, by two women one after the other; ALT1 is shortened to permitted DYK size, but missing a lot. Help welcome. The article was written by Jerome Kohl, and brought to GA is a little tribute for his enormous contributions to Wikipedia.

Improved to Good Article status by Jerome Kohl (talk), Gerda Arendt (talk), and RandomCanadian (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:28, 1 October 2021 (UTC).

Perhaps the image might be cropped a bit, GRuban? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Suzanne Stephens in 1988

And brightened! However, I think this is actually in 1988, from the description. --GRuban (talk) 19:42, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, and yes, 1988, - no idea how the other got there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Long enough, good articley enough, only earwig copied text is a quote. A few discography items are unsourced, are they from the general sources in the beginning? The comment is correct regarding the hook. I feel ALT1 misses the crucial "composition for one instrument", without which there is no context. Might I suggest as part of changes that "clarinetist" is dropped, as the article states it was first performed for a flute. Could I ask Gerda Arendt and RandomCanadian to put heads together regarding a way to capture the essence in a pithy manner? CMD (talk) 15:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

ALT1a:... that In Freundschaft was composed in friendship by Karlheinz Stockhausen, first for the solo clarinet of Suzanne Stephens (pictured), and then adapted to the instruments other friends played?

I tried. I don't think we should omit clarinet, as pictured (and I do hope the article substance justifies appearance of a good image). The flutes premiere was sort of an intimate event. Will check out recordings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

I added refs now (not formatted yet) to the recordings not in Stockhausen Verlag, but can't help thinking that the recording numbers (comparable to book ISBN numbers) should serve the purpose. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Out of my wheelhouse I'm afraid. I'll AGF on recording numbers if that is the case. Is there a shorter way to say "composition for one instrument"? CMD (talk) 05:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, and I tried, saying "solo clarinet". I added the refs for the recordings, just for next time I'l like to know if I could use the time for something more useful. They were enough for the article since Jerome wrote it, and for the GA reviewer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion:

ALT1b:... that In Freundschaft was composed in friendship by Karlheinz Stockhausen, as a clarinet solo for Suzanne Stephens (pictured), and then adapted to the solo instruments of other friends?

CMD (talk) 11:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Fine, but I think one "solo" is enough, we can drop it the second time. I also don't think we need the comma after the composer's name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

ALT1c:... that In Freundschaft was composed in friendship by Karlheinz Stockhausen as a clarinet solo for Suzanne Stephens (pictured), and then adapted to the instruments of other friends?

on ALT1c then, promoter may weigh in if it is not clear. CMD (talk) 12:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

• @GRuban: I'm unclear on the image licensing—who took the image, and who owns it? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 21:00, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

• @Theleekycauldron: Right, sorry about that, it's a crop & brighten from that first one up at the top of this nomination, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Suzanne_Stephens_1990.tif, which has been VRT (f.k.a. OTRS) reviewed. I really should have linked them; you can read the story here, but it should be on the images themselves. The trail is marked now. --GRuban (talk) 21:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

• Ah, gotcha. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 22:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)