Template:Did you know nominations/March of Return (Israel)

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 14:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

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March of Return (Israel)

• ... that Palestinian citizens of Israel march annually to the towns and villages from which they were displaced in the Nakba? Source: Tiina Järvi (2021) and T. Sorek (2015), in article bibliography
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House and Template:Did you know nominations/N661US

Onceinawhile (talk) 14:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC).

• Would it not be preferable to link to the article that
  Palestinian citizens of Israel is to be merged into, for the sake of posterity? FortunateSons (talk
  ) 11:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, very happy to change it to a piped link after the merger takes place, but before that happens the relevant content is at the original location. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Secondary (but significant) issue: the sourcing seems to be heavily biased into one direction, and while I’m not familiar enough with the specific topic to actually confirm or deny errors or incompleteness, it would probably be beneficial to look for other sources in English or Hebrew just to improve the article further before using it for a DYK. Also, according to the article, it is one village, not necessarily the village of their specific ancestors, so we should have a new hook too. FortunateSons (talk) 23:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @FortunateSons: the lede and body of the article are based solely on three academic sources of the highest quality and neutrality – an article in Geografiska Annaler and two monographs published by Stanford University Press and Cambridge University Press. All the rest of the sourcing relates to the list of events – this is just a list of dates and locations, so I don’t see any room for bias. Please could you clarify your concern, so it can be addressed? Onceinawhile (talk) 20:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Onceinawhile: You’re right, I assumed that they were used similarly to the Arabic article without checking, sorry about that. While the heavy reliance on one source [3] is not ideal, it appears to be of such high quality that it is probably appropriate even on a controversial topic, unless some indication to the contrary should emerge. I think not including the list cited heavily on AJ Arabic is a worthy consideration, but probably optional. Did you have a chance to give some thought to my comment about the hook? FortunateSons (talk) 21:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Should the hook make clearer that many participants are marching to sites of ancestral displacement, from which they themselves were not displaced? Zanahary (talk) 23:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@FortunateSons and Zanahary: thanks for your comments. Does the below work? I agree with both your comments: "sites of ancestral displacement, from which they themselves were not displaced" and "it is one village, not necessarily the village of their specific ancestors". The shortest-form way I could think of was using "their community":

• ALT1 ... that Palestinian citizens of Israel march annually to one of the towns and villages from which their community had been displaced in the Nakba?

Onceinawhile (talk) 14:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• • Looks good to me, thank you. FortunateSons (talk) 14:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Added a second QPQ. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I lack the CS skills to figure out the CS required to use DYKcheck, but content, sourcing and plagiarism as well as the new ALT appear appropriate to me. Would leave the review to someone else, as I am not looking to make a first close without actually using the tools, but no objection from me and would therefore strongly recommend. FortunateSons (talk) 08:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Figured it out, thank you for the work done. Use Alt1 per discussion. FortunateSons (talk) 09:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC) for Alt1 FortunateSons (talk) 09:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

citation accepted in good faith, no issue (except my formatting) apparent. Do I have to do something else? FortunateSons (talk) 11:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, tick the 'status' field, which I've done for you.--Launchballer 11:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment on problem, Hi, you got to change the Nakba first to 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight though. It's the NPOV term. ElLuzDelSur (talk) 07:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)