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E.S.Blofeld 1

Hi yes. But from what I have seen a detailed full list of films by year is missing from wikipedia. On every page e.g 1894 in film that already exist for the films it will direct to the list, e.g main:List of 1894 films. I strongly believe that the list is extremely helpful particularly with the navigation box so every film that ever existed is accessible in front of thenm Obviously is is a tremendous task though but I genuinely believe that once the index of films is complete then I can start going through them systematically added them to wikipedia. I still have 112 years of film to cover!!! Also in due course I will be starting a navigation box full of films by country. e.g Albania Australia etc. I wil leave out the countries that have had less than 500 films they can go on another list. If you have seen how capable I am in my work e.g I mapped out the entire country of Slovakia and am half way throguh Hungary you will take comfort that I will be doing a great job. It would be great if people would work with me on this one. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Um, don't you think that it is a little rude that you are just disregarding all of their tons of hard work and making them a redirect and starting from scatch. This is the type of project that needs to be discussed first (it is huge). You will just be replacing all other work, your lists of country also replace the World cinema pages (Cinema of Australia, Cinema of the United Kingdom....) Cbrown1023 22:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, but wouldn't it be better to just leave it to the category, because in your example, List of Albanian films, there were very few (3) films with articles (notable ones) and the rest were red links... I think this wouldn't be good in the long run. Cbrown1023 22:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Good job keeping an eye on this. I read all of the messages on his page and Cbrown1023's page as well. I think the lists were fine and didn't have to be created in a new format. This definitely should have been discussed first, especially for how significant it is to WP:Films. We could easily just move the index box Ernst discussed above to the pre-existing lists. However, the list of films by country could be a significant improvement to the lists, since mainly U.S./U.K. films are included. Let me know if you need me to discuss this elsewhere or help with the newsletter response since I would be happy to help you take care of this. By the way, (I have to brag), I spent the last week completely revamping the Samuel L. Jackson page and helped it to achieve Good Article status. Even though this is not part of WP:Films, but WP:Bio, I still think that actors, directors, and other film-related articles should also be listed in the newsletter when they become good articles (since they help to develop the films). Perhaps I'll bring it up to Cbrown1023 and maybe include all of these film-related articles each month for the newsletter (I should find a way to contribute to the newsletter in some way!). Anyway, again let me know if you need my opinion when the discussion arises. --Nehrams2020 22:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I strongly beleive that these full year lists and the country lists are really worth it. However to start with I will just set out the page like

No you have seriously misunderstood my intentions. What I am attempting to do it set out a list of films by year and country. Of course not every film is notable to have an entry on wikipedia these are lists for information purposes. I strongly believe that wikiproject:film needs to expand greatly and this is the framework to achieve this. And as for the problem with red links? After the lists are completed each article will be started BUT ONLY IF NOTABLE. Most films are worthy of an encyclopedia entry. I want to make wikipedia into the greatest resource base and providing information on films is an important element. Whre appropriate I will redirect to existing pages or provid elinks from them. I really don't know what your problem is. You seem to be a little hasty towards my presence. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can see a significant part of 112 years of film is missing from wikipedia and many of these need to be established and written into worthy articles. If there is a problem with red links I will not wikify the film titles? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

I value your experience on film. Yes I agree with you that not every film should be covered but some films (not all I agree) which are regarded as unimportant are only unimportant because most people know very little about them. I believe that the lists should be drawn up but at present not turned into links. THis way we can limit the number of red links and stop it getting out of hand but still have knoweldge on wikipedia of such films existing. At a later date then most of the films which reuqire an encyclopedia article can be turned into a blue link not a red one. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes I absolutely respect that red links are not a good look for wikipedia. Gradually these red links will be removed and turned into full articles but this will take time and I wish to be part of wikiproject film in establishing these but gradually. From now on I will list the films without wikifying them so there is no compulsory intention that every film should be started. Then at a later date us film wikipedians can get togther and debate over which films are worthy of starting (many many thousands are missing) and then wikify them gradually into articles. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Also part of the films by country articles is to attempt to decentralize film knowledge from mainly America, and English speaking countries to attempt to provide information from all areas of the planet but the films will only be started later if worthy of an entry. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I know that already wikiproject film and other branches like Indian cinema have done a brilliant job in establishing foreign film on wikipedia and I have seen evidence of many brilliant articles and hard work. Well done to everyone involved. I am just trying to expand this further by linking to other countries which are not covered yet.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah I see now what you mean now about starting all the red links in relation to the project list of missing notable films. Yes from now on I wil discuss with you and other members of the prject which films will be started so we can keep track of our work. Although there are thousands of missing notable films from that list of missing notable articles but these can be started at later date gradually!! Apologies for jumping in at the deep end I didn't mean to interfere with regulation. I promise from now on I will only list the films rather than cuasing so many red links!! Cool? I see that you have done an excellent job on international film awards. Nice work. All the best Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool. I know you are not interested in country of orgin films but I have broken down many of the countries which have few films and films not really that notable into regions e.g List of African films list of Caribbean films etc without red links! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I am tying each list in with the already established pages e.g Cinema of Africa to connect everything up. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes I have almost set up the list of films by country of the world. progress will be slower from now as this was my day off work. ALl of the larger film producers have there own lists but smaller producers are listed initally by continent all connected neatly in the one box. E.g

Every list is connected to the Cinema of .... and important cog in the wheel so to speak and for Finland I have even added a new section on the national country page for Cimena and the Finnish film industry so every is all connected up for infomration access anywhere. Six moths- one year down the line you may see that my country and year lists will seem good, particularly when we rid of those existing red links and created new detailed articles of world film each linked thourgh different sections of the project and the list of films. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Eventually I would like to see the majority of notable films with thier own articles on wikipedia like the start of List of Finnish films: A which I have started. But as we agreed as yet these are only major lists not articles. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

If there are no objection I would like to set up the pages first ow on the years. I may complete up to 1900 and then just created the other pages. Then once it is done I will go throguh each year and compile a list and eventually when this is done I will start to go through each year generating as quality new articles as I can . Help would be great!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

On the years I'll start the pages from 1888 to 1919. Then I will compile the lists for every year. Working on twenty years at a time so we know where we are. Ok?

Pleas edon't lose patience with me. You will eventually realise my potential!!

If the lists of films are at present regarded as unencyclopedic I propose that changes are made to List of films by country and List of films by date maybe years. Rather than delete them I think each country should have the list of notbale films in order by year of release rather than an A-Z that the categories will eventually create anyway. This is far more useful which I believe Thai films and that have already done. Alos the format could be changed to a box With year and date of release in chronoligcal order and director of film by country. I notcied debate over the dates of film releases. If lists were drawn up of films by year then the same could eventually be done, from Januray 1st to december the 31st by year. This will not only be an expansion of the main pages e.g 1947 in film and Cinema of .... but will give more specific infomration about date of release in chronological order which is not present. This would also be a highly knowledgeable part of the Cinema of each country and year. Also the probelm with the redirects would be avoided if the lists accomplished somethin which categories cannot. E.g List of 1947 films would have pages as part of 1947 in film conveying infomration about films with date of rleaease in order of that year. So eventually we end up with an extremely useful timeline of all notable films released from 1894 to 2007. Can you see the potential for this? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Your thoughts?

What's your thoughts on this AFD discussion about the whole film lists situation? Are we thinking of completely letting all of these lists go, or somewhat merging them into the other film articles/lists?--Nehrams2020 07:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I also voted to keep since the lists do have potential. However, I don't see myself helping out with them too much. I have way too many other sections of Wikipedia I want to contribute to. Plus I like to bounce around, and after reworking the Samuel L. Jackson page, I want to work on attempting to bring some other pages to good article status. I got the go ahead from Cbrown1023 to contribute to the newsletter about mentioning the new good/featured articles on Wikipedia featuring film-related topics, so I have to start working on that. But again these are my two most important weeks of the semester, so some time needs to go to studying. I haven't seen the years in film lists that he has brought up on your talk page, can you show me a link for them? If it is what I think it is, I think a merge is necessary, or it would just be easier for him to add the major characteristics he wants to the preexisting articles (after he discusses it first, of course). I do agree with you in making sure that the red links aren't created, unless the films are notable also. I wish that these film-related AFD would just be discussed by the members at WP:Films so that the people who know the guidelines and what the project encompasses could make better judgments then people who usually can only speculate. Anyway, I hope this resolves itself soon, I already have too many other things I want to focus on. --Nehrams2020 09:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks mate. But can't the objectors see how useful such a list is. I don't intend to lists every single film ever some won't even make the list. And many even which make thre list won't have an article. Its just the majority of films really are notable they are only not considered by people suchas Calton because they are not English and are unknown. Wikipedia should be the greatest resoruce for infomration in the world and clearly infomration about film is an important part. Doesn't it seem silly that the List of Greek films is allowed to be kept not the ones I created? I'm sure many uses will agree that the navigation box above is an excellent idea. Once the lists are created they wil connect to articles. Amercian films can redirect to Category@American films. But that box really is very useful. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 09:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if you have noticed but I have redirected counties such as America and UK to categories as well as the later years of lists of film because the lists are very developed. I still think lists should be compiled of lesser covered countries and film 1896-1940. Then once these develop we can redirect to categories. Beleive it or not I would rather not have to compile an entire list unneccsarily but I require access to infomration of existing global films not covered on wikipedia and feel this is the way to do it by a navigation box. What ever happens that navigation box should never be deleted if worst comes to worst then redirect all to Categories. But I mean you see Category:1910 film. Pathetic. Surely you can't redirect to this? I want to see the majority of films covered first before redirecting. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I know this please don't patronize me. I would like to stop my articles being deleted. O focurse I know what categories are but if aI create a list I really do not want it being deleted. I think is is pretty important don't you? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Films by year?

Hi - I'm sorry, but I don't think I understand the question - I've been glancing through the posts on Blofeld's films by country issue, but haven't been following anything about films by year. Would you mind elaborating? thanks - Her Pegship 18:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be there unless it replaces the table right above it. Was it ever decided or not if all of the "List of 19xx films" were going to continued to be created, or are we remaining with the "19xx in film" and merging the information together. If we are still sticking with the "19xx in film", then the table could replace the previous one if all of the redirects are fixed from heading to "List of 19xx films". Let me know if that makes sense. --Nehrams2020 18:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

OK then, let's just bring this up on the WP:Films talk page, detailing this template, the attempt to switch the format of the years in film lists, the current AFD discussion, and the previous communications on your talk page, his, and Cbrown1023. That way all of the members can see it, and hopefully fix all of this. If there is only four or five of us stepping around the project, for which is the purpose of discussing and improving film-related articles, then we will probably not fix this. This should be put on the talk page. Do you want to list it or me? I think you have a better understanding of the situation and are more involved, but I could attempt to include it as a somewhat outside spectator. It really doesn't matter to me. --Nehrams2020 19:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Doing it right now. --Nehrams2020 19:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I mentioned it in WP:Films discussion, if you want to take a look and add any other relevant information. I did not know that his lists of year films were also put up for deletion until I looked it up, so it looks like a lot of this could be deleted without any problems. If they are all deleted, and the templates remain, then they could be redirected to the current lists of years in film and remove the old table. --Nehrams2020 19:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Me again! Thanks for the note. Please (invade)talk to me any time, and now I know where to find the discussion! Cheers, Her Pegship 19:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The redirects were created for new visitors to the site who require a lists of films and don't know how to access cateogories. I will remove the redirects asap from the box. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

OK but do you see how I can't win? I propose drawing up lists directly and they get deleted. So I propose redirects to categories were the lists are and this is wrong too! Again you misunderstand me. My sole purpose on wikipedia is to provide information in one massive volume to anybody on the planet this is what sustains my enthusiasm. Of course this isn't a game what i meant was i tried two difwerent solutions to appease people and still had objections from the same people. Please see my ideas on the main project talk, where I think lthe lists should be compiled in chronolgocal order. However the lists initally need to be set out and cut down top notablity would you object if I added a new sections to Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/List of notable films by country and date? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes to be honest I would prefer to compile the lists behind the scenes. Using imdb and british film institute I will remove the unotable films s0 we are left with a finely tuned list of missng films. Then at a later date once all done the lists of films in chornological order will replace the A-Z of my

OK I really think this is the best way to achieve I am new to wikiproject so I wasn't really aware that this could provide me with the entire base to list missing films in. If you like rather than just emtpying imdb on to each country how about I go throguh gradually filtering out the unotable articles leaving all of the films ready for new articles. See my List of missing Bulgarian films you see I have filtered the A films and have even started three of the first ones. I want an entire base for which to go throguh the lists methodically and cleanly. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

OK I have set out the wikipedia sub projects now. I would like now to list missing Argentinian film but there are many!! Is it ok if A B C is listed on seperate page using the index as in the list articles?. I won't create a new page until I have checked all the films for notability leaving finely tuned lists ready for other users including myself to start.

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WOuld you have any objection if the current decades of missing films were branched out into missing films by year in the same way of the lsit of missing Argentine films? They would be compiled in the same way I am currently doing with Argentina. As the lists are drawn and new articles created of course red links will disappear quicker as new films fit in both year and country categories.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi yes if you coulfd move my lists of Bulgarian films that would be great/ I now am certain that those lists were cretaed preamturely. Theye should be recreated in perhaps another 6 months but his time in chronological order once all those new films have been organized and started. I really appreicate your protection on this. There is NO point in wiping out any work so far it should be moved from the main space to missing article pages. The navigation box should be kept though. Also while I take a break can you convince the others than this is the right thing to do Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes of course the decades will stay. it is far best organized by decade what I mean is that you'll never list all the missing ten years of films on one page. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I created

OK. At present I will be concentrating on country films anyway. I suggest that in compiling the entrie lists of missing films by year only one year is done at a time in order. E.g List of missing 1896 films. Then once they are started the list can be deleted and then you list all of the 1897 films and so on. This way it will only be one extra page to keep tabs on rather than 112 pages plus of red links!!!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

That may the other 110 years will only list the few mangeable ones under the decades and should be easy to patrol. i don't want you to have hundreds of pages unneccesarily to patrol. In fact it may be esaier for the earlier films to actually list all of the missing films on the main decade page as there aren't so many Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

yes I know this is an issue. But my reasoning is that if the film is Argentinan and in Spanish then the proper title should be as original but should always be stated in the intro meaning or knwon itle in other languages. A redirect in english to the main title can always be done.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I mean e.g Mont Blanc is not listed on wikipedia as White Mountain etc. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes that is a mtter for debate beleive me the finnish films are even worse to understand the titles. However I have plan. As with the yearsin film i beleive a full list of articles should only be listed one year at a time rather than listing a whole 112 years of missing film to work gradually. I would like to do this even on Argentine films, rather than listing the whole A-Z I could list all of the films beginnign with A and then add them to wikipedia. Then delete the missing list once achived and list the B films and so on. This way it is far easier to patrole what is going on. Agreed? I prefer to work methodically adding Argentine films A-Z to wikipedia first then Austrian films and so on. However this means that Yugolsav films bginning with Z will eventually have an article by the year 2020!!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 20:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Started

Thanks I hadn't noticed that I'll do this in future. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I have started some Argentine films and even created severla directors and actors e.g Rodolfo Kuhn. They should be written into full detailed articles later. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Missing film work

Gradually working on Argentine films. Vast amounts of notable films and actress, director, producers etc are missing. E.g started

Thanks for fixing the links on argentina I would have gor around to it. Is it ok if I delete the films fro the list once they are started because there are hundreds and list doesn't need films that now have articles. New films can be seen in Category:Argentine films beginnign with A.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Or would you rather I kept the films I have started on the list for progress purposes so people can see all of the films aI have started then and the project progress? Ernst Stavro Blofeld

I have an idea for the completed missing films how about a seperate page Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/Completed missing films or something by country so you can easily view the progress of the project. A kind of Wikiproject log book for new articles. Other film wikipedians can register the completed films from the missing pages so we can track what is new. That way the lists will not be clogged up unneccesarily. I think I'll do that now. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Does this page exist? I think those lists actually on the encyclopedia needs to be done perhaps a year from now when work is much more complete. My inital lists were too early when the work needs to be done backstage. But yes I would like a logbook of recently completed articles by wikiproject so we can view our progress. At present I have a small list on Argentina at the top. I have also started some Albanian films and directorsErnst Stavro Blofeld 13:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

On the page I suggested to begin with I could have a section on new actors and directors which have been started from the new articles. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Excellent idea. This way you can view my progess. But I thought the page would be useful for everyone in the project. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi most of the films I deem notable require a number of criteria . Lack of info is part of this but there will be a few films where little info is available but I can see that the film is relatively important and potentially should have a decent article on it. Imdb should not be used for full research on such an article and info hopefully can be retrieved from the many film webisites that exist. Any film though where the cast or some production details is not present will not be added to the list. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes that goes for actors and directors I have started too. I did check on Argetine films on spanish wikipedia is has considerably more so far than ours but there are few films covered with the letter A which I am working through. A good thing about this is that I am a very good reader in spanish so can translate any info from others later Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Si. Amgo. Espanol es un lengaje mi excellente. Quiero contribir muchos articulos de las peliculas del mundo en wikipedia. Argentina est el primero mi amigo. Yo tambien, quiero visitar todos de los paises del mundo incluido suda americana. Mi primero, Jonathen Cornelius es un cientifico en Lima , Peru que trabja en los arboles en las selvas tropicales. Hasta luego James

Yes I know thanks. I am almost fluent in spanish but I also understand a lot of french, Italian and a bit of german but don't wirte or speak them so well. Hallo wie heist du. Ich wohne in Gales. Wo wohst du? Ich habe eine schwester und eine bruder. or Ja m' appelle Ernst Stavro Blofeld! Je suis perdu.. THis may also prove useful in the future if trnanslation the synopsis from foreign wikipedias when I get around to these films. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The thing is each film reveals and multiples into a great deal of missing notable actors. Do I concentrate on starting the films or contribute most of the actors removing most of the red links on each film? I suggest I start one or two and don't wikify the links on the others. Then once all films are started I can go through and start all of the actors etc and also translate info (not direct copies) from other sites. Hopefully in the end we will have tens of thousands of new detailed articles providing an immense amount of information all over the planet. there is so little time for everything though!!!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Even after quick evaluation some of the films on filtered list may not be suitable. i started El Acomodador but on research I found that all of the actors and directors only ever appeared in this film - another part of my criteria not notable enough for the Argentine film industry a one off film and one off actors. I believe there was a 1997 film series of the same name this may be notable though but i won't look into it. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I managed to find a bit of quick spanish info on the synopsis of

I think I've done this with films by culture and Argentine films for categories. I'll also if I remember to add the Film wikiprjoect tags to the talk pages. I think I should create new stub category Template:Argentina-film-stub and Template:Argentina-actor-stub as soon there will be many which will require development into detailed articles. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey I used my spanish to translate a synopsis of Acrobacias del corazón. It is proving very useful I reworded it in English though. This is quite a good start but I had to spend I lot more time on it. I would like to start every film like this but it takes too much time. If ok I would prefer to stub the articles first now set them up. Then once established on wikiepdia I can research each one and write fuller articles on every film and then branch out every articles creating many hundreds of new pages on actors and directors which in turn can be researched into new articles. Potneitally at the end of my entire Missing film project we should have tens of thousands of new lengthy quality articles on wikipedia. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 19:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I am pleased with the progress of this. Auss pete has added a very smart useful list on the missing Australian films. I have started the regional page Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/List of missing European Films because there are a number of European countries which have produced several notable films but not enough for there own page. I think Ukraine though may have to have its own page. I won't bother with the African and other Asian or Latin Americas yet. Its best to concentrate on major missing films first. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I have started the

No have a look underneath. I only just had the idea for a table and I am sorting it. Then every film that is started I can add it. I have removed most silent films I needed to copy the format. Eventually once the several thousand films are done for each country I would like to see the chronology split off by year but this is way down the track. e.g 1988 in Argentine film or 1988 Argentine films. All of this would be part of the years in films series and Cinema of series. I'll just stick to setting the basics up and continuing with my lists and new articles at present. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

OK I'll only add a film to the mainspace list if more developed from now on. Existing articles (e.g more developed articles that have existed for some time) can be listed in that timeline. Feel free to add the director or actors or date of release to the table for missing columns Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I do think this is again another brilliant idea but I agree not every film should be listed. At the beginnning of each list I can state for an A-Z list of Argentine films see Category:Argentine films which will give a complete list eventually. However I do think most films should be listed to give a fuller picture of Cinema of Argentina. But lesser films with little info of each year should of course be left out. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I have also added the cinema of template at the list to tie in ith the Cinema of Pages as this is supposed to be part of these articles. I think that once I have added ost of the films to wikipedia we should then be able to root out the most notable films which should all feature on this list. I have to go now work beckons but I'll continue tomorrw with starting the new articles from the missing list. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

New work

Excellent work Thankyou. Yes I am starting a few actors, direcotrs and cinematographers particularly for the films I start that are totally linkless and for those major names that keep occuring. They are very basic starter articles but they are a atart. I will always add a photo if I can. They can all be written into full articles later. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Olga Zubarry for instance was a major actress of international recognition but the article didn't exist!! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey great news I have found a giant image bank for Argentine film. www.acceder.buenosaires.gov.ar. I think images are very important in film articles. I will always try to add an image if possible. They make the new stubs look better. The site also contains masses of images related to British, French and brazilian film and everything else Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Used some images on

No I don't intend starting EVERY actor or director. Some actors or directors who only starred in one or two or have zilch info clearly no point in articles on them. But again you'll have to trust me in my judgement of notablitliy. Every notable actor and director does need an article and there are many thousands missing from Wikipedia, hundreds from Argentina alone. It is like with the films unotable films are not on that list or will be removed from that list Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC). I do hope that you and the other users will begin to see how useful I intend to be Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

OK cool!! I was referring to that dispute everybody initally had over me. All the best and nice job on organizing the template into decades. The categories just need filling with articles full of info now. All the bestErnst Stavro Blofeld 14:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

THat image base I mentioned is amazing!! For A Sangre Fría I manged to find a gallery of 33 pictures of the film!!! This is what I would like for every film to have a detailed gallery externally to illustrate the film. I have uloaded several fair use images to explain it a bit better. Hey I also found the original 1947 poster. My hope is someone who knows the film will detail it as with every film. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 15:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

hey a number of good things about those links I said and compiling various sources. On

I also propose two new templates. One list of films by genre should be in a navigation box. Two a navigation box of the Cinema of series. Rather than just the brief regional templates I wwant one of global cinema by country so people can learn about the cinema of each country at the touch of a button. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I have started Template:Cinemabycountry but I'll wait to see what others think before adding the other cinema countries. I'd like to see a naviagtion box for countries which the regional pages do not link together. Each country is individual rather than regional. E.g if I wanted to learn about Brazilian cinema and then suddenly Serbian cinema the box would link it all quickly. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Basically rathe rthan the long list on World cinema of by country this would be replaced by a simlper tidier template that would be placed at the foot of each Cinema of Page Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Let me know what you think of this master template I have created the idea is to connect to all aspects of world cinema instantly.

OK sorry. I should wait first. I'm sure people will see the idea to connect to all aspects of cinema. I'll continue with the films. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the side as you suggested could be panelled off my region and the countries listed under region? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Template looks good

The template looks great and it looks like a lot of work went into it. Is this template going to be put on all of the articles listed within the template? It appears that it is well-organized, I think it will serve its purpose well. --Nehrams2020 21:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes that is exactly what I mean however under South Asia India should have its own column because there are five different cinemas I added that to my box. i love the idea of the flags it brings colur and life into the box. It just needs to be altered slightly now and paste into the appropriate sections. See your sandbox fro cmparisonsErnst Stavro Blofeld 22:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

You see I really wanted to grasp the whole film and cinema industry and attempt to connect everything together as one. Then I feel I can continue knowing every film I create will be all connected as one. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes but for the regions only use the single word as a pop up e.gg Asian cinema|Asia as the box will be too fat. If you can correct this I will add the rest of the flags and then we can move the countries to approparie regional sections. THen it will look superbErnst Stavro Blofeld 22:12, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Template almost complete now. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 09:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

As each country is added to wikipedia and articles become more detailed I suggest using small templates for navigation also within the cinema of each country. E.g see

I also don't want these country boxes to be too large so featured content of it must be kept to a strict criteria of super notability. E.g major international or cult films, and actors and directors world known or starred in over 30 films or something.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I fixed the margin problem earlier. I have minimised the flags but if yourself and others diagree with them I won't object if you remove just the flags not the others. I would also prefer the Asia to remain as one panel and sub split with the sub regions mentioned as I have done. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to keep the template as now but I won't object if you remove just the flags. I really don't think e.g Middle eastern cinema is dserving of a whole column of its own. However I do suggest is that you subspilt the Asia panel into boxes horizontally all the way across and reorganize the Asian films under the appropriate subregions in one Asia panel. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

E.g columns

East Asia........South Asia.......Southeast Asia.......Middle East

Now I have an idea of the boundaries of our project using the templates I have created which are very useful for trying to comprehend a massive!!!!! subject, I will now concentrate on compiling the entire list of missing notable films by country and then year adding to those decade lists later, adding a film or two on the way. Then after this stage is completed we will have a entire base from which to identify the thousands of missing articles and systematically work on adding them to wikipedia as soon as possible . This in turn should be part of the paveway for missing actor and directors and other cinema figures and film biographies on wikipedia as all of these revolve around film. I have organized the missing articles by country A-Z in a category a sub category of the main Wikiprject Film category. I'll first try to bullet all the films starting with Argentina and then go throguh wikifying the appropriate links for notability. Then once the article stubs are started on all missing notable films I will add the cinema characters by country also ensuring each of the Cinema articles are written into brilliant structured articles, compiling the chronology along the way. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I have set up a User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld/Main Volcano Base as a main category to aid my work on wikipedia. You may find this useful in the future for monitoring my progress. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I got rid of the red link on Cinema of Indonesia. It needs writing though Ernst Stavro Blofeld 17:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I have amended your sandboox template so India is sub panelled off but not entirely across so it is still part of the South Asian cinema part. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that the bottom three panels waste too much space. I suggest thst North, Central Latin and the Caribbean are sub panelled horizontally as with Asia under panel title Amercias. Wastes far less space for few countries. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 18:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Final template decision

If you and the others come to a consensus to change it to the one now in your sandbox ok. But I have to say I do prefer the flags and that sub structuring of Asia does bloat the box unneccesarily. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The template should go at the foot of every main article on world cinema. This includes every Cinema of Page and every main page that is accessible by the box. E.g Cinematography [[List of film directors etc. Then once the sub - national templates are constructed these should go in all of the main articles for that specific country connecting each country to the main [[Cinema of arrticles. This is turn is then connecting to World cinema so we have a film basis linking the entire planet.Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes template is looking good but pleas emake one quick last change. The box is one row too big. Please just have one horizontal column for the Americas and split this in half , North American and Latin America. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah leave it as it is. I only wanted those gep pics to liven it up a bit I'll switch tenplates now Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I have switched templates. Now your condensed version is MUCH better. While I can see the ppoint of the sub sections they bloated it far too much it is at a maximum sixze now. Anyway anybody clicking on e.g [[Southeast Asian cinema will automatically see the countries within it it the right hand regional cinema columns. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

T me that template now looks almost perfect. Do you think the top topics should be emboldened to distinguish it from the countries though? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

E,g click

Agreed as I said before Nah leave it as it is. I only wanted those geo (map) pics to liven it up a bit Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly as I said before. I feel we have spent enough time on this world template!! - now to me it looks perfect - it should now be added to all of the main film pages that are linked in this box (apart from the categories). If I could leave it to you to do that that would be great I've done a few alreadyErnst Stavro Blofeld 22:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

THe world cinema page alone looks 10 times more handsome now. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes just change it to a slash as with india Ernst Stavro Blofeld 22:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

A NEW WIKILANGUAGE SISTER PROJECT

In regards to thr translation and foreign languages we were discussing the other day. I have come up with a new idea for the wikipedia foundation a major new project to exist alongside Wikipedia and the Commons. I have sent to following message to the leaders of wikipedia:

I propose a new major sister project of wikipedia WikiLanguages or WikiLinguistics which specializes in the teaching of all languages. I have looked over the internet and have found some sites which do have several of the major languages giving knowledge of learning them but this wuould be huge and would provide all the information for learning languages such as most of the 250 languages that already have wikipedias. Learning a language is a major infomration source but wikipedia does not have this in detail. I beleive this wikipedia sister project would be developed into an extremwely valuable resoruce not only for achieving knowledge of major languages but also other world languages which are not always readily available to learn. Also many of the existing webistes which do atempt to provide some learning of language often involve a subscription and are not free.

If it is created I would hope that say five years down the line we should have the ultimate language learning resource in the world. If everybody contributes from their respective countris and knowledge of their languages we could see a resource which could allow you to potentially become fluent in hundreds of languages. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I strongly beleive this is what providing free easily accessible information is what wikipedia is all about and think this is an extrmely valuable component missing from the Wikipedia Foundation. E.g if I wanted to learn Norwegian or Czech or FInnish at the highest possible level or whatever this resource would be there to provide this knowledge. WikiLanguages would be divided into 250 or whatever massive sub projects e.g WikiFrench WikiSpanish WikiNorwegian WikiFinnish WikiDutch WIkiItalian WIkiPortuguese WIkiThai WikiJapanese etc etc dedicated to providing an English encylopedia of languagesErnst Stavro Blofeld 12:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC).

Imagine if this major sister project could incorporate translation technology - imagine the immese benefit for learning but also for tranlsation from foreign wikipedias. This would be a highly useful tool for Wikipedia itself. The site could also incorpate audio technology so the resoruce would not only provide you with the detail to reading and writing a language fluently but provide you with the knoe how to pronouncre and speak a language well. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I strongly beleive that this is the next step for the Wikipedia Media series. The series attempts to connect the world up entirely providing 'the sum of all human knowedge freely' but I think a key to commuinication is language- a vital part of the project.

Please let me know if you think this is a good idea. I would like to organize a proposal petition with the top wikipedia foundation administrators to decide to start this. WikiLanguages would also provide specializes knowledge of localized dialects or whatever -the ultimate global language resource. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 12:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks but I really think this would be a very useful tool for wikipedia itself even for film. To be able to translate from foreign wikipedias at the touch of button would be great. I have contancted the leaders of the Wikipedia Foundation to see this established. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

E.g sub project of the WIkiLanguages e.g WikiSpanish would have a complete A-Z dictionary. So say for instance on an Argetine film where you don't known a word you can search for its in the WIkialngauages immediately. But the strnegths of it would be less common languages like Hungarian where you could find the english meaning for a word instantly. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Cinema country templates

How about the country template is just minimised completely by country to just include the main topics rather than articles e.g actors, films festivals directors , cinematographers , editors horizontally in one skinny box. I agree that in aeell written cinema articles the main articles featured in the box will already be linked and the box would be too big for most general articles. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 14:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

How about this now