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Czech music
Thank you for welcome! I would like to focus on Czech music history, composers, compositions and organizing of subject categories (already started).
There is one important problem for me. I would like to compose main artcle for Czech music, including history etc. It will take a lot of work and time, but i cannot subscribe it to the article with the name "Music of the Czech Republic". It is nonsensical name, that restricts Czech music to the period from 1993 until now. The redirection of that article (btw. its contemporary level is very poor) from Czech music is absolutely uncomprehensible for me. Please, let me know, if there is some real chance to solve that problem without annyoing discussions about things, that are utterly clear. Thanks.
Jan Blanický 11:48, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Erich Vogel
Ahoj Vejvančický, do you have any idea where I could find out a date of birth on
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14:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello Vejvančický.
How are you,hope you are fine.I just felt to inform you as one of my closest internet friend that we just had our elections in
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I'm OK, Earlymen, today starts my vacation, the weather here is fantastic and I'm going to spend one week on a trip without the Internet connection. I'm in a good mood :) I'm sorry to hear about the incident, violence is the worst reaction to anything. Unfortunately, the stupidity of some people is infinite, it doesn't matter if you are Czech or Nigerian. I hope you are fine as well and I wish all the best to Nigeria. Good luck with your old new president, Goodluck Jonathan :) --
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Hmm, I restored the previously deleted version and I started clean up. The article is not a hoax and the restored revision is not entirely promotional. At least in my opinion. --
I really thank you very much for the way you approached Aymatth2,concerning the Festivals in Nigeria for which he re-created the article again,welldone Vejvancicky,you did well.Yours-
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04:00, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Welldone,
You are great Vejvančický.
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04:53, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Take a look at this,
I completed a wikimedia editors survey list not long ago and can you believe that wikimedia foundation is not fully aware that there are wikipedians in Nigeria!!.
In the form,they convieniently ommited Nigeria,but included many not so
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05:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Could you provide a link to the survey? I can't find the questions
I hope you'll excuse me meddling with the caption to the picture of Janacek's grave - the crucial word "uprooted" was missing from the quote. And I hope you don't mind me lurking around here - I find the polite, helpful and humorous way you and a few other admins deal with issues is a real antidote to the spirit of infuriation that Wikipedia so often arouses in me!Opbeith (talk) 06:57, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for putting me right, Antonin. What a shame they missed out the crucial word. It's like mis-spelling a name on a war memorial - what do you do? I took "uprooted" out again and put [sic] after the quote in case anyone else is puzzled like I was. The [sic] looks a bit clumsy, though, so please take it out if you think it's inappropriate. Tagore is a wonderful poet. I knew someone - British Bangladeshi who was recording some of Tagore's poems as files to post on the internet. He spoke the words beautifully. Unfortunately we lost touch when he had some internet problems so I don't know what happened to the poems in the end. I hadn't come across Tagore's poem about the search for the touchstone before Janacek. It's about the human condition but it's also the story of every great/unsatisfied artist (and writer of Wikipedia articles!). Enjoy tending your vineyard - lucky you, I hope you've got the same sunny afternoon as here. May your vines never be uprooted.Opbeith (talk) 14:07, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello Antonin - I'd be very pleased to help. I'll put the article on my watchlist so if you make further additions I can go and have a look without you needing to warn me (but if I forget, remind me!). Opbeith (talk) 18:07, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
There wasn't too much grammatical correction needed, but I've done some rewording and reformulating to help the flow of the article. I added a mention of Heydrich being in Prague at the time of the ambush. I've broken up the long main paragraph for readability's sake. Please don't hesitate to reverse any of the changes you think may have been inappropriate. I hadn't heard the sad history of Anna Letenska, though I remember seeing the film Operation Daybreak back in the 1970s and knew the story of Heydrich and Lidice, in the days when we never contemplated that sort of mass slaughter happening again in Europe. Thanks very much for writing the article.Opbeith (talk) 20:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Just a couple of queries. In "Selected theatre roles" I didn't understand "V+W: Těžká Barbora, role: mayor (as host), Osvobozené divadlo,", and in "Selected film roles" I think you've left the Czech wording by mistake in "Kříž u potoka, děvečka, režie Miloslav Jareš". Opbeith (talk) 20:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
And is "MuDr" Dr of Medicine? Did Lycka treat Kubis's imjuries? Opbeith (talk) 21:46, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
The Radio Prague article (see below) says that he did. Opbeith (talk) 08:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I added a moving quote from Otakar Vavra taken from the Radio Prague item in Spanish you mentioned as an External Link. Unfortunately I'm not very good at "cite" references - when I tried to adapt the "cite" mechanism the reference appeared in "Notes" in a very awkward form. Could I leave it to you to make it consistent? If you give it a refname I can also add the mention of her parents working with an itinerant theatre company and her stage appearance at the age of eight from the Spanish article. (Incidentally what you call "Notes" - or perhaps more appropriately "Footnotes" - are what I would normally put under "References", using Reflist.) Opbeith (talk) 08:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I thought I remembered Heydrich having been visiting Prague, but of course as acting Protector of Bohemia and Moravia he must have been based in the city. He was driving to see Hitler in Berlin when the attack took place so that was where I may have got my idea about a "visit" from. My main concern was to establish Prague as the location of the assassination attempt. I'm still not clear bout the idea of the mayor as "host" - do you mean that the mayor is an inn-keeper or hotel-keeper? I'm glad to have been able to assist you in making sure that the brave example of a woman who from Vávra's comment must have had exceptional reserves of inner strength is not left unnoticed outside her own country. An extraordinary illustration of what lies behind the notion of "The show must go on". Opbeith (talk) 18:38, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Antonin, I'm afraid the reference to being "a guest" isn't too clear either. The problem is that it's not specific enough in the English. My guess is that you mean she was a guest of V&W in their production, rather than, say, that the character of the mayor was staying in a hotel or with friends, but the wording is ambiguous. Opbeith (talk) 14:38, 10 May 2011 (UTC) By the way, is that an accent or a stress marker on the "a" in "Letenská"? Opbeith (talk) 14:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Your current wording is clearer but still ambiguous. I think a reference to "a guest performance" or "a guest appearance" is what you're after. I'm very used to confusion between "guest" and "host" because of the problem in Spanish where "Huesped" is used for both (particularly confusingly for a "host" in the biological/medical sense). Thanks for the information about the long vowels. The Czech alphabet article is interesting, particularly about the divergence of the Czech and Polish alphabets as a result of the Jan Hus reforms. Opbeith (talk) 08:34, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
I think you've got it now. I amended it slightly to match the abbreviated style of the rest of list of performance.Opbeith (talk) 13:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
You may be interested in this[1]. As you're the person most familiar with the other information ab out her, I leave it to you to decide whether it would be useful incorporating any of this information. The video clip shows the production team visiting Mauthausen. Opbeith (talk) 21:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I thought that the additional information was interesting but I noticed that there were discrepancies, and that was why I thought it wiser to leave the decision on what to use to you, since you know the background history much better than I do and you'd be able to judge the reliability of the information more capably. Certainly the František Filipovský account of the meeting on the tram casts doubt on the Ottonia notion that she spent days on set and nights in Gestapo custody, particularly if she said she had been "summoned ... to the Gestapo, again." Might the original quote have been capable of interpretation alternatively as something like "I am under orders to go back to the Gestapo"? I'm used to having to go back to revise my initial translations in the light of fresh information - knowing the context can be crucial to understanding what's being said. In any case my general view is that it's useful anyway to include a mention of conflicting accounts/evidence in an article since it may encourage someone else with specific knowledge to shed further light on the particular issue. Incidentally I looked on German Wikipedia and didn't find an article on Anna Letenská, only a reference to the film in the article about Fred Breinersdorfer[2]. The film can be accessed at http://www.movie2k.to/Das-Leben-der-Anderen-online-film-135062.html though I'm not clear how legitimate that site is. Opbeith (talk) 08:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
It's inevitable that, particularly in circumstances like that, information will be incomplete and sometimes confusing. I think a good encyclopaedia acknowledges uncertainty. That's the human condition. Life and history doesn't come in neatly sealed packages. Your second paragraph to me would give an added sense of real life to the article. Opbeith (talk) 10:55, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
(Back to the left margin) No, not sloppy, it's the first step that counts! The best is the enemy of the good and it's far better to get things moving than to wait until everything is polished. I was fussy about the Hasan Nuhanović article because of the court case involved and the importance of the precise wording, but if something isn't absolutely crucial it's better to proceed (and perhaps be joined in the effort) than wait and risk never completing anything (personal experience talking!). Incidentally, in case you're interested, the appeal against the District Court ruling that the Dutch State can't be held responsible for the failings of Dutchbat at Srebrenica has been heard but the Appeal Court won't deliver its judgment until early July.Opbeith (talk) 12:10, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Those of us who can't change the world can at least do something occasionally to make sure the world doesn't forget what shouldn't have happened, like the deaths of the Nuhanović family and the other refugees handed over at Potocari and the execution of Anna Letenská and the other victims of the Heydrich reprisals, including all those children from Lidice who died in Chelmno. As long as their names are spoken their fate isn't forgotten. Opbeith (talk) 16:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
That's brilliant the way you've filled out the article to give a clearer overall picture. Thanks! Opbeith (talk) 10:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
DYK for Elegy on the Death of Daughter Olga
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Theodor Schaefer and Brno Conservatory
Hello Vejvančický, An English aritcle has been started on Telč/Brno composer Theodor Schaefer. I just wondered if you have any additional information? Díky. Hrdinský〒 15:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Also, I started a page for the Brno Conservatory. Do you have any information here? Best Regards. Hrdinský〒 17:13, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Vejvančický, Thank you for your excellent contributions! Hrdinský〒 20:03, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
DYK for Jaroslav Rössler
DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Thanks again for making me and others aware of Anna Letenská's courage. Your creation of the article is an example of what I think is Wikipedia at its best. Opbeith (talk) 17:03, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Kobie van Rensburg
Hi there!
Thanks very much for Restoring the article! I tried to correct "rensburg" to "Rensburg" with a capital letter in the article name and totally messed up. So thanks again, also for welcoming me.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ecosse Heretic Titanium until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, I left my comment there. --
Prod of Kip_Kay is not invalid, it is prod for completely different reasons, and notability is indeed in question. It was innapropriate to remove the tags, this article was made by someone without respect for WP guidelines and was made without respect to them. Transparency on WP should be enforced by following through with WP guidelines. If you want to contest the deletion there's a nice button you can press to contest it, or leave a message on it's talk page. 50.80.139.102 (talk) 13:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Rather than wasting my time applying the letter of WP guidelines, I prefer to apply the spirit of them. The prod is for a different reason, and therefore I believe it is valid. If you would like to contest that for another reason I would be happy to accommodate your opinion. 50.80.139.102 (talk) 13:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
If you want to contest the deletion, contest it. Don't simply remove the tag. The article's talk page is the most transparent place to discuss this, however I think it is clear that there is no discussion. 50.80.139.102 (talk) 14:04, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
(Yes I am aware you aren't required to explain your objection. However I don't believe you actually object to the deletion, only my proposal, which is unintelligent and stubborn.) 50.80.139.102 (talk) 14:08, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I have no special opinion on this, I just think that inconspicuous deletion by decision of a single admin is not the best solution for this article. I hope you understand me. --
I think that the lack of concerned comments on the article's talk page shows that the decision won't be of any debate later. 50.80.139.102 (talk) 14:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
It's just your guess. I can't find good arguments for deletion on the talk page. You can't nominate the article for deletion as you edit anonymously. Why do you want to delete the article? Because it is a "list of links to videos"? Wikipedia has a lot of similarly short articles. People here call them stubs. The question is whether the article has some room for expansion. The works of Kip Kay were noted by the Wired and the Independent, which is not entirely trivial, and moreover, the evidence is presented in the article. --
Can you use Google News archive search and Google Book search in your native language to search for the words "pig slaughter" AND "culture" or "tradition"? A few seconds of searching is usually all it takes to find something. Quicker to just do that than try to reason with someone who, for whatever reason, is determined to delete an article. DreamFocus 14:25, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
This could be a good start. The articles are in English. --
Have done some revising of the content, hope that's OK. The arrest of Mladic has caused a bit of distraction and also as a vegetarian I'm not the most "reliable source" to be consulting, but I hope I haven't wreaked too much damage. Opbeith (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Appologies for my misuse of the rollback feature you gave me,
I regret using my roolback tool on a fellow editor during a slight misunderstanding of what he meant,i sincerely appologise and i will be very careful using it on good faith edits.The rollback tool has really helped as i have in recent times come face to face with acts of vandalism which are mostly deliberate and the tool made it easier to revert them.Thanks-yours
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Hello Vejvančický,
I recently decided to move my page to a new username to fit my wish,from earlymen to
Earlymen
.
Hello Vejvančický,
Can you register my account?It is not registered yet.yours Netknowlemessage me! 02:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
O.k Vejvančický,
Thankyou for the username changing noticeboard that you just gave me, yesterday i got it on wikihow but,i tried and couldn't locate the page,thank you for wikilinking the username changing noticeboard on my
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I have submitted my request for change of username already.Look at it here
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Autopatrolled
I'm very flattered, thanks. More eyes on my articles are always welcome, of course, but feel free to remove me from the list if it saves work. Cheers,
... And there's no trace of the correct article title
2010-11 Colorado State Rams men's basketball team
. I'm reluctant to make the page-move again in case I break something. What's going on here?!? (Message also sent to Malik Shabazz.)
--Shirt58 (talk) 09:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
The problem is that now we have two duplicate artilces:
The title of the latter is incorrect (note: "bsketball"), and most importantly, the content is identical. I'll nominate the incorrectly titled article for deletion. It is just a routine maintenance. --
The incorrectly spelled article is the more delevoped. I'll have a word with the editor who created both of them. --Shirt58 (talk) 09:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Noted. I've moved the content under the correct title and nominated the incorrect version for deletion. --
Ha ha, drama? :) User:Lewisistheone1991 recreated the article with wrong title, and I think that's the reason of our little confusion. It would be better to save their edits (they are the creator), but it would be neccesary to delete
Looks like it's Fine Just the Way It Is :-) Though he could easily find it himself, should we perhaps let new editor Lewisistheone1991 know about this discussion as a courtesy? --Shirt58 (talk) 10:59, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Vejvančický. You have new messages at 220.101.28.25's talk page. Message added 11:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Richard Abberbury the Elder
Vejvančický, I am a little confused over my db-userreq request. I seem to have a user page User:Pahazzard/Richard_Abberbury_the_Elder inexplicably linked to the article page Richard_Abberbury_the_Elder. I have checked my actions and it appears that the "History" is identical for both versions? Originally the article should have been "moved" from from my subpage, and all I had wanted to do today was tidy this up by requesting the delete. Any idea what's happening and can you help fix it? thanks Pahazzard (talk) 19:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
I think you mistakenly nominated for deletion the mainspace article. You moved the content correctly, see [3]. If you want to delete your user subpage, you have to go directly to the redirect page, located at
Ah! That would explain it! Thanks Pahazzard (talk) 21:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Ashwini Kumar Dutta
Hi, thank you for stopping Ashwini Kumar Dutta from speedy deletion. Instead of saving in my sandbox, I made a mistake by publishing it directly without adding proper references. Thank you for salving the page. BengaliHindu (talk) 07:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
No problem. The article still needs more inline citations for better and direct identification of sources. --
why the hell did you delete my page?
huh??
tell me?
you freaking idiot... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katie4biebsxxx (talk • contribs) 13:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I hope everything is ok with me, thanks for asking. I deleted the page because there was no valuable information for this project. This project is an
Thanks for the help with my article, a few supportive sources exist, but there are some. Nostalgicwelt (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for starting the article. It is a sad story, she was beautiful and she died young. I think I can find out more, perhaps in the encyclopedia of Czech actors (Fikejz, Miloš: Český film. Herci a herečky). Best regards. --
Hi Antonín. I accidentally followed a redirect, and recreated a page by Shaileshorai at Talk:Shailesh, which needs to be deleted again. Sorry for the mistake. Mephtalk 07:31, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Meph. No problem, I deleted the page. What is more concerning: User:Shaileshorai seems to be a very tenacious person, he recreates the article despite multiple warnings. I placed the {{subst:uw-create4}} template on their talk. We will see. --
hey Tatka kravchenko is my wife and she is a model very important person in ukraine and poet she have many works published in ukraine , I hope you understand and keep this work a life
Thank u very much for your hard work — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.75.246 (talk) 10:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately her notability isn't verifiable by reliable sources. Is "Татка Кравченко" correct transcription of her name? I wish all the best to you and your wife :) --
I saw you helped me out in speedy deletion of Eleazar ben Judah of Bartota the same is occuring now with Raba Bar Jeremiah ("Abba" entery of [[Jewish Encyclopedia) - can you help me out in this case as well ? I don't think as the one who started this article - I should be the one to ommit the "speedy deletion" - I need someone else.
Happened to see this in recent changes list, the reason specified for speedy deletion ("empty / no content") is not appropriate for the article, I untagged it. --Gryllida 13:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I replied on your talk page. Thank you Gryllida for your help.--
Nice to know you are around.I need your help please.I sent a request sometimes ago to User:Dr. Blofeld but still hoping i will receive some positive response from User:Blofeld.
It's long time but i can see that you have been around for some time now.You are good in geography related articles especially drawings and map constructions regarding geography,i will also love to table this to Jimbo Wales talkpage but if you can help.Geography of Nigeria has no climate map of Nigeria with rainfall data especially ones with isohyets indicating rai==nfall boundary.You did incredibly well with the topographical map of Nigeria you provided on Sankwala Mountains.Can you get close to any climate organisation e.g NASA or others to get climate information on Nigeria containing average rainfall and use isohyets to bring the information on a climate map of Nigeria for wikipedia nigerian geography article and arrange them on the map as provided below.
Vejvancicky, Can you help?Thanks-yours Netknowlemessage me! 01:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Netknowle. I'm not sure whether I can help you with this. I think this website contains the data you are looking for. All you need is to arrange the data to a table similar to
Netknowle, why don't you leave a message at the talk page for Contour line? That's the sort of place where you might find people with the sort of expertise you're looking for. Opbeith (talk) 10:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it looks like a good idea. Thank you Owen. --
Hi, I can see why you are worried, but I think you can relax. While the real world practice in newspapers privileges French, German and often also Spanish and Portuguese, nobody seems to support this for Wikipedia. I first became aware of the current anti-diacritics attacks in relation to German umlauts, and so far I have not seen any user who objected to some diacritics but not also to the extremely standard spelling résumé. And if there will be any exceptions for particularly 'odd' letters, then I am sure it will be for þ, ð (two pre-Gutenberg standard English letters that are still used in Icelandic), ß and the
ʻokina, not for any of the Slavic diacritics. HansAdler
08:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Well, some people seem to support this proposal in a very uncompromising way and in this place you never know how terrible the consequences might be. An editor has even borrowed your NYTimes example as an argument in the discussion going on
The insularity of contributors to the English Wikipedia has already inflicted substantial damage on the scope of Wikipedia's coverage. It is important to ensure that the use of diacritics doesn't make it difficult for English language/keyboard users to retrieve information but use of Redirect should obviate that problem. Inevitably there will be discrepancies of usage but linguistic purity is surely less important than inclusiveness and comprehensive scope. The "Google hit" philosophy of life appears symptomatic of a mentality that tends to find collaboration difficult. Opbeith (talk) 10:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I think that many established editors here on English Wikipedia don't realize the immense benefits of international editing. This part of the Wikimedia projects is one of the strongest websites in the world, and it is caused to a large extent by our comprehensive coverage that was created by the international editorship. The question of the use of diacritics seems to be a minor problem when comparing with patrolling of new pages or with the organization of deletion areas. Many established editors present themselves as defenders or guardians of Wikipedia rather than competent builders and collaborators. We should ask, explain, help, communicate and collaborate without borders ... But on the other hand, Wikipedia is an open project where everyone participates voluntarily, and I cannot force or oblige someone to do what I want. I know well that I'm a small drop of water in a very large pond and that my knowledge, capacity and skills are limited. I'm trying to learn something.
Colombia is the last country on the list to have its Gdp ppp estimate figures updated to April 2011 but the Imf ref giving on the same page has complete information for all countries.Netknowlemessage me! 06:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Please stop moving articles without the benefit of an RM
When reading the endless "accent marks" discussion, sometimes I feel the strong need to cry out loudly something like: "Oh dios mio!" "¡Ay Dios mío!" :)
You shouldn't be moving those Czech player articles, withou the benefit of an RM. Rightly or wrongly, such moves seem PoV motivated & autocratic. GoodDay (talk) 14:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Your autocratic methods, are only gonna cause drama. GoodDay (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
All my edits are backed up with reliable and relevant sources. I don't prevent you or anyone to apply the RM process. --
I'm just saying, moving the pages via bypassing an RM & using the edit summary "correcting", will come across as autocratic on the former, arrogant on the latter. It's just that mass page movements can cause problems, even when they do conform to WP:HOCKEY's diacritics compromise. GoodDay (talk) 14:41, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
In future, atleast use "In compliance with WP:HOCKEY" in you edit summaries. It would be less confrontational then "corrected". GoodDay (talk) 14:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I apologize for not using the phrase "In compliance with WP:HOCKEY" in my edit summaries ... GoodDay, I'm able to explain my actions without causing much drama. I believe my edits are beneficial for Wikipedia, that's all. I move articles on subjects known for their actions in the Czech Republic for years and I didn't receive any warnings that the moves are wrong or damaging to this project. On June 15,
No probs, I got a little hot headed for a moment & forgot about the WP:HOCKEY compromise concerning player pages. I've no intentions of reverting your page moves & besides, they'd likely pass RM in favour of dios. Sometimes, my anti-diacritics passion get in my way. GoodDay (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
¡adm! - while restraining myself over the missing initial inverted exclamation mark, the lower case "d" in "dios" and the absence of stress on the "i" in "mio", I really have to object to the "h" in "Oh" (which in fact ought to be "Ay,"). Sorry about that! Opbeith (talk) 23:09, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Well that's how it ends when I want to look clever ... such a shame ... my deepest apologies to all the defenseless "dios" floating over the poor non-English names and excited exclamations! --
Suffering humanity confronting a creator who on the eighth day returned to work and made diacritics. Opbeith (talk) 10:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
To revenir a nos moutons, per original research (i.e. I've used it in the past) the United Nations has a rigorously applied, routinely updated style manual and although I've not seen a copy for years I've noted that while early English language texts from the ICTY may not have used diacritics - see first K&M indictment of 24 July 1995[4] - diacritics are now standard in the English versions of the official texts, see most recently Mladić's second amended indictment of 1 June 2011[5], not to mention the ICTY website itself. Opbeith (talk) 10:47, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
That's a really good advice, Owen. I found the UN's Style Manual from 2002 (quick view here), see page 23: "Respect use of accents and special characters in proper names. EXAMPLE: Zéphirin Diabré." I'll copy the link at
WP:MOSBIO, the person's legal name should usually appear first in the article. I trust that explains the current Wikipedia policy as it relates to this issue. Dolovis (talk
) 13:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
You have been shown Dolovis at the discussion you started that your interpretation of the policy is completely wrong. To keep pushing it is at this point a pure
WP:POINT issue as you are just trying to make it hard for everyone else to improve the wiki. -DJSasso (talk
) 14:04, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
I can't believe my eyes ... I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It makes no sense to explain the whole matter again and again to
Probably not. He is a POV crusader who never listens to anyone. He is currently at ANI for his behaviour. He is in general a pretty disruptive editor. Pretty much every request for move has gone against him. Over 90% of the people in his centralized discussion told him he was wrong. But he still goes on so likely he is doing it just to try and cause harm to the wiki and be disruptive. -DJSasso (talk) 15:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Rubbish on all your points. DJSasso has his opinion, but he has also has a demonstrated a clear and personalized COI against me - so what he says must always be taken with a grain of salt. Dolovis (talk) 15:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
You claim anyone who disagrees with you has a COI. So really you are the one who has the reputation for disruption. You prove it over and over again each time anyone disagrees with you and you fly off the handle at them for no good reason. -DJSasso (talk) 15:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Jimbo Wales is Very Strongly Opposed to Diacritics
WP:MOSBIO, the person's legal name should usually appear first in the article. Dolovis (talk
) 15:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
I know, Dolovis, I asked there :) The discussion continues. --
Excuse me intervening, but is Mr JW not aware of the expression "point of view" when he uses the value-laden word "bad"? JW set out the basic principle of Wikipedia as assembling the sum of all human knowledge - admirable. I'm not clear why he now seems keen on rowing back. A title including diacritics is knowledge/information-richer than one without. As long as no-one is forced to use diacritics in the Eng WP and anyone who gives an article a title including diacritics also makes sure there's a Redirect for a plain text enquiry, who's losing? A title with diacritics informs the native Anglophone reader that there's a pronunciation issue. Although the apparently insular Mr JW may not realise it, perhaps through living in the defensively anti-Hispanic United States, many native Anglophones are in fact interested to know that the pronunciation of a name is not as they would assume it to be at face value. All quite apart from the issue of showing respect for the subject. Why do people spend what precious little time we have on earth (on Wikipedia, whatever) debating whether to open the boiled egg from the big end or the little end? Use of a spoon is advisable, rather than a hammer, but a blunt-edged knife will do the job if all you want to do is eat egg. Swift would have loved this. Opbeith (talk) 17:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Jimbo Wales is a respected personality, a co-founder of this site. However, he is not the "Master of the Universe". I asked on his page because I wanted to attract the attention of experienced Wikipedia editors to the discussion. We have to find a way out of this. I expressed my opinion at
As per request for input: I have great respect for Jimbo, but I can't help but feel like he is off the mark here. So long as there are all the proper redirects, and anyone can just ignore the diacritic when reading, it seems to me there is little problem here. Just keep those two things in mind and everyone will be fine. Demokratickid (talk) 03:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
No that would not be fine, unless you also keep in mind the policy as spelled out at
WP:MOSBIO, the person's legal name should usually appear first in the article. You cannot just go about moving articles to a new name without proper verification. Dolovis (talk
) 04:18, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Mechanically stripping off diacritics from a name does not create an English name. It creates an ASCII rendering of the original name. Since your interpretation of the guideline contradicts overwhelming practice, and guidelines are descriptive not prescriptive, it is just wrong. HansAdler 10:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Is the time ripe?
There's a lot of activity at present, and I'm wondering if the time is now ripe... We may have to launch the RfC shortly, so any help in getting the above page ready would be appreciated. Feedback on timing is also appreciated. --Ohconfucius¡digame! 16:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I am Moret's unofficial biographer and if the accuracy of her page is of interest to you, we should correspond. My direct e-mail is dustorydashowneratyahoogroupsdotcom Rhotel1 (talk) 00:45, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
I know very little about her. The page is basically in the same shape as I left it after the
Vejvančický (talk) has given you a pig! Pigs promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Pigs must be fed three times a day and will be your faithful companion forever! Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a pig, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.
Ummm, this is a stupid test of a stupid new toy. We have WikiLove for kittens and Bacon Cup for pigs. It is unfair and undeserved. I had to do something. I created my own WikiLove template. --
"will be your faithful companion forever" - As a result of you eating them? Opbeith (talk) 13:37, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Ha! I got caught in a trap again. Believe it or not, my initial choice was rhinoceros. The text is stolen from a "kitten template" (kitten is replaced by pig). How do you know that I eat pigs? Is that because of my defense of the article
My question was a bit more philosophically open-ended - there may be an element of companionship in all consumption of sentient beings, as the German cannibalism cases of a couple of years or so ago suggested. Perhaps I'd better not continue too far with that line of analysis. Don't worry I know the world doesn't always see eye to eye with me on everything and I have to go shopping from time to time for people who don't share my scruples (not cannibals, I'd point out), so I have to try and not be too strongly opinionated. Try to be appreciative if someone sends you a kitten - it's virtual, so you don't really have to eat it. Opbeith (talk) 19:18, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Huh, it becomes really complicated for my limited intelligence :) I remember the German case, one man agreed to be eaten by another one, but ... but now I'm trying to imagine how did you come to cannibals. It is a really unusual example for explaining a philosophical concept, but I think that now I understand your intention. The paths of our thought processes seem to be pretty tangled: We have a simple template lauding the good qualities of pigs ... and suddenly I'm killing poor rabbits in my long forgotten childhood while you come with German cannibals :) ... You are a funny companion Owen, but I'm afraid we have to stop it, our fellow Wikipedians could misinterpret our conversation and report us somewhere as bloodthirsty deviants :) ... I have nothing against kittens, I like kittens, pigs, snails and even rhinoceroses. I'm a bit upset, because not long ago they changed the tool panel above this editing window. There was a handy tool, I copypasted an URL link and one green button helped me to fill in automatically all fields in citation templates. It worked only for large English and US newspapers, but it was very good and time saving. Now it is gone and I can't find it. Instead of it I can send you a kitten or an autogenerated beer (don't be scared, I won't send you a sausage!), as we have this new encyclopedic and friendly button on our user pages. ... I thought we are working on a serious project and this is a bit disappointing, it is more suitable for Facebook than for this encyclopedia. Antonín
I think I'm already identified as a bloodthirsty deviant from the way I respond to people who want to delete perfectly good subjects. What I like about Wikipedia is that it can be serious and at the same time - in theory - welcoming to everyone. I think the second part is important, so it's important to make sure the "serious" stuff is there but not leave out the cheerful stuff.
I've become reconciled in old age to the Pikachu characters and their eco-niche. I used to get annoyed because they survived while some of the other creatures I consider more deserving of a place on Noah's Ark got pushed off into the water. However as I've become more aware of the importance of Wikidiversity to the survival of the planet I've also come to understand that the most important quality of all on Wikipedia is the enthusiasm for being involved and a pleasure in assembling knowledge that other people can share. Of course I believe some kinds of human knowledge are fundamentally more important than others but there's no pressing need to engage in neo-Darwinian competition. The important thing is we and the Pikachu enthusiasts have the same interest at heart, and we share the same risk from circling predators and regulators.
So heart buttons have their place. All the same, along with you, I wonder what is the purpose of getting rid of something genuinely useful like the reference generator, particularly (apparently) without asking users beforehand? I was taken by surprise when the heart appeared - I don't remember advance notice that any button beauty contest was in progress. Opbeith (talk) 08:12, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you!
And my thank you for that kind token of Wikifriendandcolleagueship! Opbeith (talk) 10:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
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