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For keeping a long-term lid on music articles to stop erroneous additions, particularly the difficult Djent. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 14:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you!--¿3family6 contribs 18:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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Christian Music Zine and other sites

If you want to use Christian Music Zine, New Release Tuesday or Indie Vision Music, heck even Jesus Freak Hideout you need to go to

here and discuss the matter with this editor, who seems to know nothing about the Christian Music genre.HotHat (talk
) 02:37, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Websites

I have started the discussion, so lets talk if you want.HotHat (talk) 07:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Got the websites linked to the editorial team, and gave a brief synopsis on the rating methodologies used by each website.HotHat (talk) 05:04, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks. Usually I just use the edit source option. That edit summary was done last night when I was quite tired, so it's a bit exaggerated. I've been trying to use the editor to identify problems, as the editor does look promising.--¿3family6 contribs 20:30, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Extol (album)

I'm just notifying you that your DYK nomination has an issue. 12:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Done

I went ahead and got it done with

Music review sources, if you would like to edit go ahead and be my guest.HotHat (talk
) 07:43, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Nice! If you don't mind, I'll move the self-published sources to their own source, plus merge in some book sources. I'm at work today, so I'm not sure how long some of this will take.--¿3family6 contribs 12:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Great job, I put in the ratings systems.HotHat (talk) 03:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
By the way, if you want some more Extol reviews go to Cornerstone link that is part of the new resource.HotHat (talk) 04:35, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks!--¿3family6 contribs 12:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Got it fixed.HotHat (talk) 01:00, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Extol (album)

Cas Liber (talk · contribs

) 12:07, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Hinduism in Karnataka

3family6, could you please stop by and clarify which of the hooks you approved, or if it was both, then clarify that, and then restate your approval tick? I just looked at it for possible promotion to a prep area, but couldn't tell which one "the hook" was that you were approving. Many thanks, and sorry to bother you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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Suggestions

I have got another started New Publications.HotHat (talk) 03:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

By the way, we need to add
RELEVANT to the Christian Sources page.HotHat (talk
) 06:26, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Very, very nice! Excellent work!--¿3family6 contribs 12:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
So, who wants to add them to the list? I went and looked thru Metacritic sources and found a treasure trove again.HotHat (talk) 16:14, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Let's wait for a different editor to take a look. The two of us have worked pretty close together on finding sources, I don't want issues with collusion.--¿3family6 contribs 22:37, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I am done adding publications for now.HotHat (talk) 22:57, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I will only wait utill Tuesday at the latest, utill I start updating the article.HotHat (talk) 22:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I went thru the list and put the Editorial Team link next to those some editors may look as being suspect. I think we are fine to progress with most of them, but if you want to wait, we can because "discreation is the best part of valor".HotHat (talk) 00:41, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
I would suggest waiting, though the papers can probably go through, as they are all highly reputable.--¿3family6 contribs 00:42, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Artwork for Albums Required

Please consider uploading the album artwork for [The Good Fight (Bizzle Album)|The Good Fight] &

Christian Hip Hop
worldwide.

Realmixwell (talk) 21:29, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Policy development

You are more than welcome to comment on Ground rules.HotHat (talk) 07:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Just tell me, when you want to move forward with updating the article.HotHat (talk) 07:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Is this in regard to the proposed source list additions, or the policy update? No one has challenged the sources, so I would go ahead and add them. With the policy proposal, I don't think anything really needs to be done, as the proposal simply provides specific examples under the basic guidelines.--¿3family6 contribs 20:34, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes, this is exactly what I am talking about is adding them to this list, but if you want me to do it just ask.HotHat (talk) 03:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Reach Records

Cas Liber (talk · contribs

) 05:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

New article

I think you might be interest in The Same Love.HotHat (talk) 05:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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VE edit conflicts

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Extol

Their new album was reviewed in Metal Hammer August edition on the newsstands, if you want to go and get the review out of the magazine. I have to warn you that they gave it a 6 out of ten.HotHat (talk) 05:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll see if I can get it somehow. I don't care what review they gave it, that's their business.--¿3family6 contribs 13:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
If you can't get it let me know then I will have to drive a ways to read the review again, plus if I am not mistaken they reviewed the new August Burns Red album and rated it an 8 in the same issue.HotHat (talk) 21:46, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
By the way, Outburn magazine will be having reviews of Extol and Rescue & Restore in their new August/September issue No. 70, which should be on the newsstands in a week or two. Oh, I was the one that created their magazine article on Wikipedia, which I am utterly amazed how a magazine with noted writers did not have an article on here 14 years after their founding, but I fixed that for good. You have a great day.HotHat (talk) 21:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't think I'm going to sink the money into getting just one edition for the Extol review. I'm not that devoted to Wikipedia I'm afraid. Don't feel like you need to go through all that just for me, but if you really want to get that review into the Extol article, go ahead. By the way, you are amazing at getting source material. How do you do it?--¿3family6 contribs 23:48, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I have subscriptions to Alternative Press really cheap, Q and Mojo somewhat affordable/expensive. I go to a local bookstore, where they carry all the other music magazines. I take my computer to the store and edit away. I just did not have it when I went recently. But, I will be going back in a couple days, so I will get that review on here at that time. See, FYE carries some, Barnes & Noble carries even more, and greater than those is Books-a-Million. I will be getting in the not to distant future subscriptions to Outburn, Revolver, and Decibel, but don't hold me to it right now, which I know you won't. When I can afford it I will get Metal Hammer (9/10), Classic Rock (9/10 red cubes) like Cross Rhythms, Classic Pop (five spins/cd's) like Fact and CBN, Uncut (9/10), Kerrang! (five stars) really expensive, Rock Sound, and maybe NME really expensive, but not in any particular order. I also get Magnet now. Substream does not give ratings nor does Relix they only give a review like the The New York Times. I now know more about music publications than probably 90 percent of editors that deal with music articles on Wikipedia.HotHat (talk) 03:23, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
See if you go to Magazine Price Search you can see what I PAID for my four year subscription to AltPress, just mere change.HotHat (talk) 03:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
If you need any reviews just ask, and I will tell you if I can get them. I don't pay newsstand prices at all! My standard is if I get two or three at the newsstand the next must be via subscription, or else I will not get anymore.HotHat (talk) 04:06, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I actually have that issue if you want me to scan in the pages for both reviews and putting them somewhere like flikr? It's no issue. Jonjonjohny (talk) 08:51, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
That would be nice, but see how 3family6 wants you to do it for him/her.HotHat (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

@Jonjonjohny: That's a great idea! @HotHat: For the record, I'm a guy :)--¿3family6 contribs 16:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Rescue and Restore and it's citation,[1] and Extol and it's citation.[2] Jonjonjohny (talk) 09:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to say excellent job, and thank you for the contributions.HotHat (talk) 01:40, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I put your link in the url in the citation, so that people can verify the information with respect to Rescue & Restore.HotHat (talk) 03:01, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Mad at myself

Well, if I took the apt amount of time to read these policies and guidelines on Infoboxes, Tables and Text, then I may not have included breaking marks in them because it is not kosher to users/editors with access issues. So, I am deeply and regrettably sorry for the mistakes that I have perpetuated on these people and this encyclopedia. This is mostly in reference to Jesus Freak Hideout and New Release Tuesday in critical reception sections. Both are to be utilized, but not with a break, and both ratings must be reported. May God forgive me!HotHat (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I think we are going to have to go back to using two box sections for Jesus Freak Hideout and New Release Tuesday, and less frequently for Christian Music Zine and The Phantom Tollbooth. This is all that I can come up with because if we don't use both we are giving an
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Hear Ye Him reviews

As far as i'm concerned Wade-O-Radio and StupidDope are non notable review sites they are nowhere to be found on the reliable source page you keep linking and that MTV Hive source is not really even a review. In the next coming days i'm sure more notable reviews will be available so lets just hold off for now. Koala15 (talk) 21:35, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You already broke the 3 revert rule so please hold off on it. Koala15 (talk) 21:37, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to how many reverts that I'd made. My latest edit was to preserve the formatting and reference related edits that I'd made when I restored the reviews. As to the sources - Wade-O Radio and DaSouth are both on the
Complexs online media network, and several years ago was listed on XXL's top 100 best hip hop sites (sorry, I don't have the link readily available), so I don't see why it would be unreliable (keeping in mind here that reliability and notability are different things). As for the MTV source, critical reception extends beyond just "reviews" (though why you don't consider that source a review, I don't know).--¿3family6 contribs
21:53, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Well usually we prefer using reviews from sites that have Wikipedia articles if not sites that are notable enough. I'm not really familiar with Christian hip hop web sites so i don't really know, but considering the album was just released today i think we will be getting more reviews from notable sites in the coming days. Koala15 (talk) 22:01, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I understand that, here's my thoughts: Wade-O Radio probably will end up being displaced by other reviews, so I guess that one could be left out. DaSouth.com is the most popular CHH site apart from Rapzilla, so that one should definitely get a mention. If several Christian sources emerge (Rapzilla almost certainly will, and maybe Christianity Today), then it might need to get trimmed. MTV Hive should stay, as even if it isn't quite a review (though again, I don't see why not), MTV is a massive organization who controls a great deal of cultural clout. I'll leave StupidDope to your discretion, though from my admittedly very limited experience it is a highly popular site.--¿3family6 contribs 22:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Add the MTV one back since that one is the most notable. Koala15 (talk) 22:51, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if this changes things or not, but Paul Martinez, the DaSouth.com reviewer, also writes for Hip Hop DX (example).--¿3family6 contribs 15:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Hear Ye Him singles

Those songs are not singles, to make them singles they would have had to been released to

Amazon.com which none of them were so please stop adding them. Koala15 (talk
) 18:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Why would they have to go on one of those sites to be considered singles, especially since most had official cover art and could be downloaded? Also, the sources call them singles.--¿3family6 contribs 18:41, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
They have to be released to retail to be considered singles. Koala15 (talk) 19:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Can you show me a link to that guideline? I've checked the album and singles infobox docs, and both
WP:ALBUM, and can't find anything. The single article doesn't really deal with songs released for free online, and neither does promotional recordings, which is also not very well sourced. I could see how songs released online for streaming could qualify as promos, but "June" was made available for actual download. As far as a I can see on Wikipedia, a guideline was never developed for how to treat official free downloads or streaming, and thus media treatment should be the fall-back.--¿3family6 contribs
20:01, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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I apologize, I wasn't aware that my actions could be seen as edit warring. I see how the reverts I performed yesterday would roll over into today. As I was providing sources for my content which was challenged, I thought that the burden would lie on other editors to prove that the sources are unreliable/not applicable. I will refrain from editing for now. Please see my above discussion with User:Koala15 for my rationale.--¿3family6 contribs 20:25, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Do not get me wrong, I agreed with you when it came to the critical reception changes as long as the sites were in the WP:CM/S page. However, for a song to be considered a single it must receive a retail sale release to iTunes/Amazon or have a radio rotation add-date. Just being premiered/leaked online does not make a song a single in the slightest. Even if it has a cover and a music video, if no official release as a single took place we cannot consider it one. Not to mention a few of the sources you cited were not even reliable sources per
message me!
21:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Setting aside the reliability issue (I made sure that the sources I used meet Wikipedia guidelines), I think that guidelines must be developed to specify just what qualifies as a single for infobox listing, so other editors don't get into disputes like this one. Specifically, I think that we need guidelines for how to treat free downloads and streamed songs.--¿3family6 contribs 22:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
For the record, HipHopWired, 2DopeBoyz and Underthegunreview are all definitely not
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Now that the immediate conflict is resolved, I'll take my time on bringing up the source issue and the singles guidelines up for discussion. I apologize to you, @
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Listen here!HotHat (talk) 04:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll take a listen.--¿3family6 contribs 12:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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Enjoyed reading your new article Mongol conquest of Western Xia. Thanks for your contribution! Zanhe (talk) 04:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it!--¿3family6 contribs 13:31, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

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We Live As Kings

Just wanted to let you know, you forgot about hip hop group W.L.A.K. because they are notable due to these charts.HotHat (talk) 05:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I didn't forget, I just have only so much time. Right now, I am the only person creating new Christian hip hop artist and album pages, as far as I can tell. I'm thinking about trying to start a temporary CHH task force. The least I can do is create a list of articles needing to be created.--¿3family6 contribs 12:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I am sorry, I should have said "you might have forgot".04:24, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Well, I just want to inform you that the publication is going to try to go back to a printed version, and now they are back to doing PDF's, so go look at Overcomer, for the way to site them now. This makes me a little bit angry and somewhat perplexed.HotHat (talk) 04:31, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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