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Hi Arsonal,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture

Saw you pop up on my watchlist. Don't know how long you'll be back, but it's good to see you active. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:28, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Here and there until April. I've sent you an e-mail about my plans after then. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 22:38, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

• And I've replied. Very cool! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:45, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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Hello there. I've seen your contributions in improving the JKT48 page and I think I can assist in expanding and maintaining the content. Please send me a notification if you agree for me to join in.

Also, I have a question: Is it possible to add the pictures from the official web page whilst the copyright doesn't belong to myself?

That will be all. Thank you!

Abaone94 (talk) 16:15, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately Wikipedia policy prohibits us from uploading such photos unless we obtain specific permission from the copyright holder(s) to use the photos under the

Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0

license, which I believe is highly unlikely because management of AKB48 and its sister groups are quite protective of their works.

The JKT48 is article currently at a point where it is concise yet comprehensive enough for an encyclopedia. You are certainly welcome to add material if there are any blatant omissions of key topics, but you will want to avoid adding information which may become trivial and have little relevance in the long run. The sub-articles

Members of JKT48 and JKT48 discography and filmography

will be the ones that require most work at this time.

—Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 19:08, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Replied there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:11, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Don't know if you'll find this useful, but it may be a godsend if you want to do something about THHK: http://kranten.kb.nl/search/index/state/load  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:42, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, this looks like it could be fun. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 09:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

• I've been enjoying it for the past few articles... the plot of Kedok Ketawa (not in any of my other sources) is derived from a review there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

• Heads up. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:13, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Spiffy! Was there a caption that went along with the picture, given that the picture date is different from publication date? —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 06:19, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
    • "Kantor Berita „Antara" dengan alat sederhana menembus blokkade udara Belanda. Dikirimkan dan disiarkan berita keseluruh [sic] dunia menjatakan, bahwa rakjat Indonesia tidak mau didjadjah lagi.
      (Seorang markonis sedang bekerdja)
    •  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:27, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
      • This one? I'll append the file description. —Arsonal (talk + contribs
        )— 06:35, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
        • Yeah, that one. As the text is not free, I don't know if it's able to be included on Commons. I'd probably avoid the patriotic vitriol and just say "Seorang markonis sedang bekerja" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:38, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
          • Right. By the way, there's a brief overview of Mochtar Lubis' Maut dan Cinta in this book if you want to create an article for it. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 06:48, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
            • Hmm... I haven't read that one yet! I've read three of his novels thus far, although Harimau! Harimau! was by far my favourite. I'll have to look into it, although I was thinking of filling in some of the redlinks at Pengkhianatan G30S/PKI. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:55, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Did a copyedit, added the logo. May be PD-simple, but I'm not a really good judge of that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:07, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• Also, the official Antara website gives Sipahoetar, not Sipanhoentar. Source. The book Jagat Wartawan Indonesia (which I can use to fill in articles on Sipahoetar and Sumanang) gives the same spelling as Antara. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:21, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks! I'm looking for someone to create a vector logo from this image. And yeah, I'll change to Sipahoetar since that appears to be the common spelling. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 03:49, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
    • That's an even better logo. K, I'll link it at the lab. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:50, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
      • Hah, you beat me to it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:52, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• Nothing brilliant, but one down: A. M. Sipahoetar. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:58, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
  • It's a shame when important figures die young. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 10:00, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Agree. It broke my heart to read about Martha Christina Tiahahu — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:07, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Manjeshpv (talk) 16:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC) i'm a professor from india how can i add my university and course to wiki institutions list

Hello, Manjeshpv. You may set up your institution and course by following this step-by-step guide on how to request instructor rights for your Wikipedia account. As you are an independent educator, you will want to select the "Request 'instructor' right" on page 2 of the guide, which will generate a form that you can fill with details about your course. Please let me know if you have further questions. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 04:37, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Up for a collaboration? I'm going to start a proper list in my user space. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:50, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

• Building here if you want to join in. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:19, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
  • I'll work on it later. Why not correspond the images with the individual? We might also need a column to indicate the hero designation they were given. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 13:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Hmm... well, for the first suggestion... if you're thinking something along the lines of what we have at
      List of Prime Ministers of Indonesia I'd have to say no simply because it would balloon in size way to quickly. The second point is a good one, but we need to cite it; the source I'm using right now doesn't divide them like that. I did 49 tonight, so we're something like a quarter of the way there already (for the list proper). A good lede can be made too, eventually. We need to avoid images of statues though, as they are likely still protected under the copyright law. — Crisco 1492 (talk
      ) 13:15, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
      • Reasonable enough on the imagery. Listing the designation will also allow us to choose at least one person from each category. We can also trim down the image size like in List of longest streams of Idaho. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 19:56, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
        • Assuming we have the images. Yeah, I've already used "upright" to shrink the images somewhat. Do you know any references with the designation? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:06, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
          • I'll look into it. It may be in the Presidential Decrees themselves. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 23:16, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
            • Alright, kewl. If we have room we can still add some photographs. Sjahrir has some free ones, and Djuanda too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:32, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
              • Actually, it looks like the current article already explains the different designations because the award was called four different names over the years, referenced to Dian Andika Winda's Profil 143 Pahlawan Indonesia. Also, some interesting insight here on the role of Heroes in folklore among Indonesians overseas. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 23:35, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that'll be useful for the lede. Mind you, I think we may have to split depending on how much detail we go into. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:41, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

• I plan on buying one of those encyclopedias to help fill out the table, but I think the list of names is more or less done. I'll have to double check of course... Ki Hajar Dewantara nearly slipped past. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Profil 143 Pahlawan Indonesia might be your best bet. I don't know if there's a newer one. Do you plan on listing everyone using EYD? —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Yeah. I'm also hoping to avoid honourifics and sort by family name for Batak/Chinese (and some other?) groups, but I was planning on asking for your help on that. Anything published after November 2011 should be okay for our purposes, as Sukarno and Hatta are likely already included (that was the weirdest decision I've seen in this field...). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
      • Although we could keep the honourifics if necessary. Removing them may be more trouble than it's worth. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
        • I'm fine with leaving titles and honorifics out. I was thinking more of Cokroaminoto vs. Tjokroaminoto etc., applying the common name principle. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 07:29, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
          • My thought was to avoid confusing the heck out of our readers by having Oerip Soemohardjo one second and Sudirman the next. Reconsidering, I think we may need to keep some honourifics as the names are really foreign without them... Dhien, for example, or Umar. Something to think about, I guess. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
• Coming along rather nicely. I think I have a picture of HB IX's certificate, but I'll have to check that later. I may have lost it when my harddisk crashed. What do you think so far? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Looks pretty good. We can probably evaluate using titles on a case-by-case basis. As you mentioned, some names would be quite bare without them. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 19:28, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Alright. I haven't had any luck tracking down a decent encyclopedia, and school hasn't left me with much time to fool around, so that one's on the back burner right now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:22, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

• Think you could copyedit the lede? I think for a featured list this is detailed enough. Link so you don't have to scroll. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Did a quick run-through. Also, this puts Hamengkubuwono I's birth year at 1717, which seems to match other sources I've seen. That book might also be a good source in general. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 14:55, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the pointer. Niaga Swadaya... hmm... don't think I saw that at any of the stores I looked at. (checked another one earlier... nada) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:59, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
      • Here's the Gramedia listing. It might be out of print. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 15:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
        • Alright, thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:16, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

• And it's live. Still haven't made my way to Kraton to photograph the certificate. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:54, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk