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Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (June 17)
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Hello, Ballantyne82!
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (September 15)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (September 18)
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Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies moved to draftspace
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- I do not understand why you have decided at this point in time to move the article. I had added many citations since DG's comments. I have added further additional citations in any case. Ballantyne82 (talk) 05:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- The citations you've been adding have not addressed the main problem: you need to demonstrate that the institute is significant coverage about AIMS. If you post at the draft talk page and say something like "here are three reliable sources, all totally independent of AIMS, that wrote at least a couple of paragraphs about the institute itself" your draft is likely to be approved. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)]
- The citations you've been adding have not addressed the main problem: you need to demonstrate that the institute is
Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies moved to draftspace
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Hi, two different experienced editors have moved your article back to draft. Instead of edit warring about that, you'd better try to understand why the think your draft isn't ready and then address that problem. Then somebody else will approve your draft and move it to article space. I'm going to move it back onoe more time. Please realize that your behavior is disruptive and that continuing warring about this may get you blocked from editing (by an uninvolved admin, not me). --Randykitty (talk) 13:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have independent sources from newspapers and TV. Why is this not enough? Ballantyne82 (talk) 22:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have posted a detailed evaluation of the current 14 sources on the talk page of the draft. It should be obvious what the problem is. Most of those references are trivial and should be replaced with sources that discuss the institute in-depth. --Randykitty (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- How convenient that the only article that discusses the organisation in depth is "not accessible outside of Australia". You've got to be kidding. Ballantyne82 (talk) 01:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- I have posted a detailed evaluation of the current 14 sources on the talk page of the draft. It should be obvious what the problem is. Most of those references are trivial and should be replaced with sources that discuss the institute in-depth. --Randykitty (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well, it isn't, at least I get a message saying "not available in your location". And as I explained in that analysis, even if that one reference would turn out to be "in-depth" (which I doubt), one source still isn't enough to show notability. --Randykitty (talk) 07:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- What definition of "in-depth" are you using? My topic is about an academic institute. Notability guidelines relevant to academic topics applies and I believe I have followed them. Ballantyne82 (talk) 09:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well, it isn't, at least I get a message saying "not available in your location". And as I explained in that analysis, even if that one reference would turn out to be "in-depth" (which I doubt), one source still isn't enough to show notability. --Randykitty (talk) 07:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Which guidelines would that be? I don't know of any guideline that this institute would meet: the applicable ones are WP:ORG (meeting just one of those would be sufficient). --Randykitty (talk) 11:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)]
- Try WP:PROF Ballantyne82 (talk) 13:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Doesn't apply, as the article is not a biography of an academic. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:10, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Try WP:PROF Ballantyne82 (talk) 13:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Which guidelines would that be? I don't know of any guideline that this institute would meet: the applicable ones are
*Exactly. In case you didn't notice, Ballantyne82, each one of the 8 criteria of that guideline starts with "The person...". --Randykitty (talk) 13:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- So explain to me why other institutes, such as the Institute for Balkan Studies (Serbia) - Wikipedia doesn't need any citations? Ballantyne82 (talk) 01:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- I proposed deletion of that article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Gee your fast, and what about Institute for Macedonian language "Krste Misirkov" - Wikipedia? Ballantyne82 (talk) 01:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)]
- Gee your fast, and what about
- I proposed deletion of that article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- So why doesn't Institute for Macedonian language "Krste Misirkov" have any citations? Which guidelines do you apply for this institute? Ballantyne82 (talk) 02:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)]
- If it doesn't have any citations, you could either find and add some, or ]
- So why didn't you take action then, like you did on the previous one? Ballantyne82 (talk) 02:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thankfully, the responsibility for searching for sources to support unsourced articles is not mine alone. Nor is deciding whether to prod articles when my search comes up short. I spent some time, which I feel good about spending, looking for such sources for the Balkan Studies article and AIMS. I don't really feel like doing so for the Macedonian language article. You can if you want to! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- So why didn't you take action then, like you did on the previous one? Ballantyne82 (talk) 02:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- If it doesn't have any citations, you could either find and add some, or ]
- Ballantyne82, please have a look at WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 08:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)]
- I am waiting.for your answer to my question....the hypocrisy clock is ticking.... Ballantyne82 (talk) 08:15, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ballantyne82, please have a look at
- The answer is in OTHERCRAPEXISTS, but as you apparently either didn't look at that or didn't understand it, here's the gist of it: WP has millions of articles and thousands of editors. Sometimes articles that are below par hang around for years before someone gets around looking at them seriously. There are many badly-sourced/unsourced articles on WP, that's a reason to look for them and do something about it if one has the time to do so. It's not a reason to create more of such badly-sourced articles. And proposing something for deletion costs a lot of time and effort (see WP:BEFORE). --Randykitty (talk) 09:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)]
- You are ignoring my question. You do not want to look at the article I pointed you to because it will show you are not acting in good faith. This has become obvious to me. Ballantyne82 (talk) 09:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- The answer is in OTHERCRAPEXISTS, but as you apparently either didn't look at that or didn't understand it, here's the gist of it: WP has millions of articles and thousands of editors. Sometimes articles that are below par hang around for years before someone gets around looking at them seriously. There are many badly-sourced/unsourced articles on WP, that's a reason to look for them and do something about it if one has the time to do so. It's not a reason to create more of such badly-sourced articles. And proposing something for deletion costs a lot of time and effort (see
- I tagged it for missing soources, I have no time to propose it for deletion because I have no time for BEFORE (and expect that if there are sources, they might be in Macedonian, which I don't read, so I have to leave this for another editor. As for personal attacks may end badly for you. --Randykitty (talk) 09:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)]
- So an article with zero citations gets tagged, yet my article with 15 citations gets moved? Seems hypocritical. Ballantyne82 (talk) 10:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Articles that have been around for many years, should not be moved to draft space. It's different for new articles. I'm sorry that you don't like this, but I don't make the rules. --Randykitty (talk) 10:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- I tagged it for missing soources, I have no time to propose it for deletion because I have no time for BEFORE (and expect that if there are sources, they might be in Macedonian, which I don't read, so I have to leave this for another editor. As for
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Australian Institute of Macedonian Studies (January 9)
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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 21:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)