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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

I understand that I was blocked for creating an article that is considered by some to be advertising, and for reverting the user who made a redirect out of the page I created. I did create the article in good faith and properly disclosed that I was paid to create it. However, because another user took exception to it, rather than revert the other user I should have discussed the issue with that user, especially in light of my COI. In the future, if unblocked, I will do a better job of heeding WP:COI. I will not create any articles or make any edits that are advertising, and I will focus on contributing positively to Wikipedia.--Bernie44 (talk) 18:50, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Given the discussions here on this page and a further review of Bernie44's contributions, I see severe issues with many of Bernie44's edits, ranging from the UPE problems and not following best practices for paied editors despite the commitment to Jytdog to spammy pages based on weak and/or unreliable sources even if the subject is likely notable (in violation of

WP:NPOV, one of our core content policies). Saying "sorry" or "oops, I should have listened when others thought it advertisement" is not enough. Huon (talk) 19:54, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply

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• Your disclosure has no impact on this block. Following the terms of use is not an exemption from following local policy: it is the minimum condition to hit the save button. English Wikipedia policy forbids advertising, and the two articles brought to COIN are clear examples of native advertising written in marketing speak. That you decided to revert one of our most dedicated editors who deals with spam after they explained the COI guideline to you just makes it worse. You don’t get to hold local policy hostage to the terms of use: that provision exists so we can determine if you are following local policies and guidelines. You weren’t so now you can’t edit. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:56, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • It has never been my intention to create articles that would be considered native advertising, but I should have listened to an experienced user saying that I had done so. I have been editing on here a long time and I believe I have done and have the capability to do a lot of good. In hindsight of course I should not have reverted Justlettersandnumbers, that was an impulsive and wrong decision. I understand what you are saying about local policies and if unblocked I will certainly heed them and be extra careful not to make any edits that would be considered spam. Whenever I have a COI I will propose edits rather than edit directly, and will put any new article through AFC.--Bernie44 (talk) 19:06, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Commenting on the basis of recent interactions, I believe that clemency should not be extended. While paid editing is allowed, paid editors should not be given undue leeway by volunteer editors. For example, I have twice had to move the article at
  WP:PAID at User_talk:Bernie44/Archive_4#Paid_editing_in_Wikipedia; with this being put forward, I support Bernie's block as they have been shown to lack the competency to follow paid editing policy.--SamHolt6 (talk) 20:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply
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  • SamHolt6, I was wrong to revert your move of the Ryan Cohen page. I was interpreting your note as optional advice and I was wrong to do that. As you say, I have been fairly productive and cooperative on here for seven years, and if given another chance I pledge to be extra careful to comply with any and all rules and guidelines. I understand the repercussions of not complying and I'm sorry that I have not been as cooperative as I could have been up to this point.--Bernie44 (talk) 21:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I guess I'm just a bit new here, but I think after 7 years of fairly helpful contributions to Wikipedia, a permanent block might be a bit too harsh? As far as I can see, this user has been up-front about being a paid writer, and while there are COI issues to flesh out, I don't think they should be fleshed out in this user's talk page or unblock discussions. The past issues aren't big enough to warrant a permanent block over a single revert. Godrestsinreason (talk) 12:17, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:MEAT account as your edits almost completely overlap with Bernie44's and your edit notes are similar. Jytdog (talk) 16:32, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply
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    • Jytdog - I have no connection to Bernie. I started the account to talk about things I know about. Chewy, the company, Steven Universe, and the WWE. That was an accusation made in horrible faith. What proof would you need? Godrestsinreason (talk) 17:39, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • For the record I have no idea who that user is, I would never do a sock. There is no association other than that we have both edited the Chewy page.--Bernie44 (talk) 16:50, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for stating that. I have no reason to believe you. You are a smooth talker but you have demonstrated that your words are empty. Jytdog (talk) 16:52, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• I am very disappointed in Bernie's behavior. He and I had what I thought was a good, and good faith, interaction back in December. The section is in the archive of this page, here. In that discussion, Bernie44 said that they would abide by the PAID policy and the COI guideline, and would put pages through AfC and make edit requests on talk pages. In other words, not edit directly. They appear to have completely blown that off. I should have checked in more to see if they were actually doing what they said they would do, and feel bad that I didn't. Now that I have reviewed what they have done since December, I see no reason to unblock this person, ever. I thought Bernie44 was one of the good guys, but their behavior has shown complete disdain for the community and its norms. Exploiting the value we (the volunteer editing community) have created for their personal gain is more important to this person, obviously, than pursuit of the mission. (if you don't know what I mean by "exploit the value we have created" see here) Jytdog (talk) 16:20, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jytdog, you are right and I apologize. I realize an apology doesn't excuse my behavior. I re-read our discussion and I did say I would put any new article through AFC and I did not do that. We had a good and fair back and forth and I did not keep up my end of the bargain and so I understand your position, as well as the weight it carries.--Bernie44 (talk) 16:59, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is some very skillful smooth talking. It does not give any reason for us to trust you. You were exactly this good-and-reasonable seeming in our December interaction. Jytdog (talk) 17:07, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Jytdog - Why is this section riddled with personal attacks and accusations? I have no idea how to go about reporting this behavior, but as much as I know about Wikipedia, this is unbecoming of how admins would like for us to conduct ourselves. What's happening here? Godrestsinreason (talk) 17:44, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see where someone posted a request for you to make them an article. Must be quite a business you have, exploiting Wikipedia? Need to know all your clients. Frankly, IMHO, I cannot see a safe path to unblocking. I could TBAN you from subject X and you get money from subject Y, and we are back where we started. That might not be insurmountable, but I also don't see where you are capable of writing objective prose, especially as you seem to make a living writing ad copy, and do not evince an understanding of how to contribute to an encyclopedia. Beyond that, you would need to be able show us you are to recognize

Dlohcierekim, there's a list of clients on the user page. Is there an indication that this list is incomplete? That said, I'm leaning towards "no unblock" since the articles in question was blatantly inappropriate, something that Bernie44 apparently fails to recognize even in retrospect ("considered by some to be advertising"). I don't doubt that Bernie44 in good faith believes the pages were appropriate, but that makes it only more difficult to prevent such issues from recurring. Huon (talk) 00:19, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dlohcierekim, Huon, I'm pretty sure that list is at least partially incomplete – please see my comments yesterday at WP:COIN for examples of undisclosed editing clearly related to paid articles. What's bothering me is that it may be very incomplete. Perhaps Bernie could clarify here what other pages have been created for pay? (Oh, and Dlohcierekim, you might consider watchlisting this). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:08, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Huon Justlettersandnumbers Indeed. I felt deeper clarification/fuller disclosure was warranted. And clearly, if they are going to disown the promotionality, that is that the editing was promotional, then I think there is little hope of a return to constructive editing and they might as well stay blocked. Bernie, this is not a "legal" proceeding, where one hides behind words and turns of phrase to evade the truth. This is a behavioral/educational issue, and you must clearly indicate how and where you went amiss, and how you will edit non promotionally.---- Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:45, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dlohcierekim, Huon, Justlettersandnumbers, I have given this all a lot of thought over the past couple of days, taken to heart all of your comments here on this topic, and examined my actions. In editing for pay I incorrectly focused too much on whether a subject has (what I considered to be) decent press, and didn't take into account enough common sense, like is this subject inherently notable? I didn't pay enough attention to the actions of other, non-COI users who were trying to guide me to see what is and isn't notable, and what sources are and aren't credible. It was my responsibility to stay current with the rules of COI, and I didn't do that. I took the phrase "very strongly discouraged" when it comes to direct editing as advice rather than a rule I should follow. I should not have been editing or creating directly when I had a COI, especially since I was warned against it. I feel terrible because I do want to constructively contribute to Wikipedia. Regarding the list on my user page, I hadn't updated it for a while (another mistake on my part), and I will go through and do so now. If I am given another chance and unblocked, I will focus on non-COI editing, which I do take great pride in, will cease editing for pay, and if I want to propose an edit to an article on which I already have a COI, will properly and clearly disclose my COI. I agree with you all that I have edited inappropriately, and for that I am sorry. This experience has taught me that, if unblocked, I need to be a lot better at being a part of this great community, so I can truly contribute positively here.--Bernie44 (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realize I can't edit my user page - I was going to update the chart on there, will instead add other articles here. Starting to go through it now.--Bernie44 (talk) 16:18, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Update to client list on talk page (will look to see if there are others later):

• Disclosed COI on article talk page:
  Draft:Wade Eyerly
• Did not disclose COI on talk page (no excuse here): Diane Tuft, Ben Gulak, David Oliver Cohen, Josh Ostrovsky, Chewy

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