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Hmn, fair enough; I'll leave it for now thens. A bit bogged down with off- and on-wiki work anyway. Please note; with your help with my other featured lists as well as the Common Pleas and Northstead 'uns you are accepting a featured star out of all this :P. You've done enough work to constitute one list at least all together. Ironholds (talk) 00:24, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

On 24 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ironton Railroad, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page .

BorgQueen (talk) 01:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Congrats - you and Dincher both have articles in the same DYK! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

	<font=3> Fröhliche Weihnachten und einen guten Rutsch ins Neue Jahr! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 06:04, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I had hoped to use this image for Christmas greetings but the lights did not show up in thumb size - thought you'd like it though. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 06:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd appreciate the help, as I don't have the references. I have distant family ties to Sherman Valley through my wife. Otherwise, I did medieval archaeology in Winchester, England and I have poured cast iron, so I guess we have a few things in common. Happy New Year!Pustelnik (talk) 21:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I have an abiding interest in old/low/small-scale technology, so I have added some to the

The HAER document was a real find, and I've used it as a source for some other articles. I am more interested in the H.B. Hays and Brothers Coal Railroad, which I also started, partly because it was in my old neighborhood, and parrtly because it had an incline. The old coal railroads were interesting, see Birmingham Coal Company. Pustelnik (talk) 13:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I have a contact who in addition to being the last surviving employee of a railroad also did research on the Pittsburgh Southern because it ran through his neighborhood. I can put you in touch, if you wish. Let me know, either stick a note in my talk page or drop an email to shadow AT gmail.com. Dbrashear (talk) 16:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Choess, while looking through Jean de Joinville for something totally unrelated, I found this: "King Richard became so noted for his daring exploits while oversea that when any horse belonging to a Saracen shied at a bush its master would say to it: 'D'you think that's King Richard of England?' And when the children of the Saracen women started to cry, their mothers would say to them: 'Stop it, do! Or I'll go and fetch King Richard, and he'll kill you!'" This is on page 305 of the Penguin version ("Joinville and Villehardouin: Chronicles of the Crusades"), in Joinville's description of the present crusaders' ancestors who fought on the Third Crusade. This seems like the gist of the story although I'm not where "Malik Rik" comes from specifically (in the Old French original it says "li roys Richars"; also, strangely, Ethel Wedgwood's translation leaves that part out entirely). Adam Bishop (talk) 21:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I saw that too...I wondered how often Alison Weir was being used as a source on Wikipedia, and then concluded that I didn't want to know. Adam Bishop (talk) 06:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits! I "rescued" the article from speedy deletion, and it is basically as far removed from my areas of expertise/interest as possible, so I was afraid I wouldn't do a very good job of it :) Best wishes, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 01:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice work Choess. Would you mind also re-tabulating 1547–1660 and merging into 1660–1883 when you get the chance? Cheers, Chrisieboy (talk) 14:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Would you be able to deal with the errors here? My WP time has been virtually wiped out thanks to exams and coursework (and the computer my work was stored on giving out yesterday). Ironholds (talk) 16:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

If you are planning on doing any work with articles relating to the judiciary I've managed to dig out a copy of Edward Foss's Tabulae curiales and also his Biographicial Dictionary of the Judges of England. Ironholds (talk) 11:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Choess. I was going to ask you about this last night but I forgot. I noticed in Collins' as well that Berkeley was LL and Lundy references the CP as stating this too. However, I came across something on the net last night which mentions a letter from Northumberland dated 1707, where he writes to his deputies in Surrey, so I wasn't entirely sure what the correct dates were... Craigy (talk) 13:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh and the DNB states Northumberland was appointed 9 October 1714 but 'deprived of his lord-lieutenancies and his colonelcy after George I's accession'. Craigy (talk) 14:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

Could you please provide a citation for the fact that he is deceased? Per

Never mind. I finally found one. Cheers, CP 17:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Choess, Dincher and I are going to work on Cherry Springs State Park next and have found an article on its history online here which is quite useful. The problem is that the online version appears to be a possible copyvio and we are trying to figure out exactly where it originally appeared.

I think it is probably from the quarterly magazine "Pennsylvania Recreation & Parks" published by the The Pennsylvania Recreation and Park Society. One of the authors wrote a history of Leonard Harrison and Colton Point state parks that appeared there - see this. However, it may be from the State Parks magazine published by the DCNR or its predeccessor(s). The problem with that as a source is that the article makes references internally which seem to end about 2002, but the DCNR State Parks magazine seems to have stopped being published well before 2002.

I have found a few libraries that carry the first magazine and could check it out (road trip), but thought I would see if you had any thoughts / sources on this (since you always seem able to find the most obscure sources). Thanks as always and in advance for any help with this, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 05:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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In the articles Charles Powlett, 3rd Duke of Bolton and Charles Powlett, 5th Duke of Bolton you've written that these men were styled "Marquess of Winchester" when heir-apparent to the Dukedom. Do you think you might be able to provide citations for that please? I've got a vague recollection from somewhere, I think TCP, that they might have been known as "Lord St John". Opera hat (talk) 14:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, recently you moved

Many thanks for making the change Adam 86.141.5.138 (talk) 06:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello.

Re: the "interregnum" bit

I'm not sure which part you're referring to...?

If you could quote the particular section I should be looking at, I might be able to answer your question.

Is it whatever is supposed to be in between "In 1383 the Vicary government began, lasting until 1396, under the Durazzo kings of Naples." and "In 1404, Ladislaus, King of Naples, installed Centurione II Zaccaria, the lord of Arcadia, as prince."?

If so, there was nothing to begin with.

Knobbishly (talk) 05:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello.

I've had a look at and added a few things to the Battle of Manolada:

• Longer 'Prelude'.
• A few minor corrections with the names.
• Killed in Action for Ferdinand in battle box.
• Location of battle in battle box.
• Some footnotes (and a footnote section)
• Mentioned death of Louis in 'Aftermath' section
• Added an 'Analysis' section and put this:

"It is believed that had Ferdinand not been checked, the House of Aragon and its Catalan troops would have acquired Achaea, as well as Athens. His death, followed by the long minority and tumultuous career of James, would effectively end the threat posed to the Angevins by the claims of Margaret Villehardouin." ... in it.

Feel free to contact me if you want to discuss any changes.

Knobbishly (talk) 03:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Well done. I was misled by the NN person's (own?) addition. The claim appears to be based on inheritance through a female line, which is only possible for a barony by writ. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC) If he cannot show that he is notable, he can receive the award of AFD! I suspect there are a lot of NN peers and baronets who need delinking, the problem is that they show up in succession boxes. No reply needed. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Have you seen this tool? Most impressive. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:53, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much :-) I'd forgotten all about that page. Craigy (talk) 21:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

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Hello, noted your edit at Scottish clan. What are your references to the Boyd chief having recently died? Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 13:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Daily Telegraph. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

thank you for that. Re the question of chief, my thinking is that we should wait until the references update their entries before listing a new chief. Perhaps continuing to list the 7th with a ^[note] that he died on such a date. My logic behind this is that wiki is about references, not the truth, see Wikipedia:Verifiability, yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 14:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi when I created the above article it brought up a link to your DL page for Banff. This may not be as odd as it seems as I have not found his death recorded in England, so it is quite possible he retired to his native Scotland. Any answers? Regards Motmit (talk) 15:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks - I found a reference linking the brewer to Barrow and hence Banff so it is the same person. Regards Motmit (talk) 09:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Ho, since I was looking for the announcement of John Gore's peerage in the London Gazette, I had today the doubtful pleasure to flip through almost all issues of the year 1766 - unfortunately one of these years the search engine of the website is unable to sift through. Among other things, I have found also the list of appointed highsheriffs of 1766, of which I think you might be interested in it (I believe I remember you have somewhere a place with links to the issues of other years). Regards

I have found the parentage of the second daughter. However there are other oddities:

• He divorced his first wife for adultery with John Townshend. Nine years later there was a duel and proceedings for criminal conversation (i.e. adultery) with his wife. I can hardly believe it happened twice!
• I have not cited all the passing references for him, but the last letter identified in archive sources seems to be 1797. This suggests that he retired as a clerk to the Privy Council, but I cannot find what he did afterwards.
• Was his Shropshire hime Brereton or Brocton? I do not recall a Brereton in Shropshire: it could be that is a misreading. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Adulteries with two successive wives would certainly be extraordinary. If you have a good reference for the duel please add it. There are several reports of the case on the Internet, but all on sites to which I have no access. These will be better than the seconsary source currently cited. I am not planning to do more on the article, so over to you. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:29, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Notable? Kittybrewster ☎ 13:59, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I was busy for a while with college graduation and job seeking. I assume I lit up 'Watchung Mountains'? Lithium6ion (talk) 02:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I can only hope that my many hours of creating immense quantities of minutia will result in decreased productivity from disinterested office workers surfing the internet the world over! Lithium6ion (talk) 02:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Which John Findlay is shown on

It would be good for you to cite your source. I know that these lists commonly have none, but in principle they should. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Choess. I have noted that you have left a message to Vintagekits at

Without planning to I have made a start article for Coudersport and Port Allegany Railroad - would you mind looking at it when you have a chance and making sure I have not committed any egregious errors? Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello. Are you certain that it was Lord Trevor who served as Comptroller of the Household and Treasurer of the Household during the 1840's and 1850's? I believe it was his uncle Marcus Sandys, 3rd Baron Sandys (then known as Lord Marcus Hill) - see for example this source. Tryde (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Whats the latest news hombre?--Vintagekits (talk) 15:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hello, just to let you know that this has been nominated for speedy deletion, per {db-disambig}. Thanks,

Feeling wikistress? Wish you could have a vacation someplace with two dozen waterfalls? Well the next best thing is here!

If you want to, please come look at pictures of waterfalls and pick which ones you like best. You'll be helping make a better article too.

Thanks,

P.S. That wikilink again: User talk:Ruhrfisch/Waterfalls

As always I am amazed by your ability to find things. Thanks so much! I also found an article on an archeological find (and Indian pot) that G Murray Reynolds found on Kitchen Creek in 1890 here. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:02, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Choess (is that your name?)

I have been thinking along the same lines as you. These families were supposedly the largest iron manufacturers in Pennsylvania in the mid-1800's. In fact I am already drafting a page for Peter Grubb, Jr., from whom the men you mentioned are descended. I am torn between doing individual bios for some of those men, or doing a general page called "Grubb Family Iron Barons" or something like that. Such a page could mention as many players as I can find and tie their histories together. I am leaning toward the latter, because I don't really have a lot on most of them, just what my (distant) cousin David Grubb has compiled in his excellent "The Grubb Family of Grubb's Landing, Delaware." I'm not up to doing a lot of research, but am a pretty good writer for putting available info in Wikipedia.

I am curious why you are interested in the Grubbs? Are you related? And how did you end up with my draft? If you are related you should get Dave's book; it catalogues over 3,000 Grubbs and is a nice coffee table book!

Dave has Edward Burd Grubb IV living in Fort Meyers, Florida.

I would welcome your comments on Peter Jr., at User:LynnSGrubb/Peter Grubb, Jr. It's still a work in progress, but there's not much more I plan to add. I am interested in the brothers because I descend from Curtis via Jehu (whom I also plan to do). They were so intertwined that I wanted to do both of them. Which then leads to "what next?"!

Also, I am thinking a page is desireable for Edward Burd Grubb, but there is already a page by that name for his son. His son should be "Jr." but the redirects would still be in conflict with his father. Can you suggest how to deal with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LynnSGrubb (talk • contribs) 21:44, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Lynn Grubb

Prescott, AZ

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Happy Thanksgiving! I am thankful for you and your contributions here! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

(I lurvv liddle kitties, yum yum!) No, really, thanks for adding the Ordained peers and Members of the Inner Temple categories where appropriate in the Baron Byron series of biographies. This is just the sort of "many eyes" help I was hoping for when I sent out my whimpering plea, and I'm truly grateful you were moved to respond. — Sizzle Flambé (☎/✍) 05:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm involved in splitting up Chester County PA NRHP lists into north and south User:Smallbones/SouthCC and User:Smallbones/NorthCC and sleeping before its finished. I think I've got the two new fotos in the right place on the new south list (all that's done there!). Please find some more CC photos and put them in in a couple of days. Thanks. Smallbones (talk) 05:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, everything seems to be set right. The lists are small enough to edit now. Please see:

• National Register of Historic Places listings in Chester County, Pennsylvania
  • National Register of Historic Places listings in Eastern Chester County, Pennsylvania
  • National Register of Historic Places listings in Northern Chester County, Pennsylvania
  • National Register of Historic Places listings in Southern Chester County, Pennsylvania

And do add some more photos please. Smallbones (talk) 14:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your updates and message, appreciated. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I must have missed it. I was awake for many hours, though I recall I tried to locate any mention to the duel, which I didn't despite being there.

After all, it was my mistake...

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Seasons Greetings

	<font=3> Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and all the best in 2010! Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 23:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Rupert Onslow, Viscount Cranley

Hello. You may be passingly interested that there has been a

Rupert_Onslow,_Viscount_Cranley, the heir apparent. (Here is the announcement on my talk page.) I'd be very pleased for your support here, and if you can spread the word to anyone else who may be passingly interested. With thanks,- Peter Ellis - Talk

04:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Beep, beep.- Peter Ellis - Talk 04:09, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I have been told that, in the opinion of a user (~~ Phoe), the posting asking for your assistance was WP:Canvassing. I actually disagree with that perception. However, I want to disuade you from any action counter to your conscience. Equally, at the suggestion of that user, I have posted a neutral comment on this subject at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Peerage_and_Baronetage. For consideration.- Peter Ellis - Talk 10:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your hard work on several of the stubs on earls I've created over the last couple of days. It was a pleasant surprise to work on them this morning and see them already looking so good! Best wishes,

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Hey there

Nice to see you back :). Ironholds (talk) 04:37, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

PRR GG1

Ruhrfisch suggested you might be able give a better opinion than him on whether or not a section contining the GG1's appearances in movies could be fashioned into a "In popular culture" without stepping over into original research or should it just be removed? I'm expanding and cleaning up the article for (most likely) a GA and its the one thing I'm not sure of what to do with. Thanks, ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 05:09, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I was finally to get a hold of that book about the calendar art, as well as another book, and will see about finishing the pop culture section over the weekend. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 23:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Austin Taylor MP

Hi Choess, I notice that in this edit you changed the name of the 1902-1910 MP for Liverpool East Toxteth from "Austin Taylor" to "Austin Kyffin-Taylor".

I have just created a stub article on him at Austin Taylor (British politician), and since all of the three sources I have used name him as plain "Austin Taylor", so I have restored his Kyffin-less state in the constituency article.

Maybe he was named Kyffin-Taylor, but dropped the Kyffin in the manner later done by Messrs Wedgwood Benn and Brocklebank-Fowler? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:52, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I think I just pulled the "Kyffin-" from the info in

William Kyffin-Taylor, 1st Baron Maenan, but now that I look back, I suspect that's wrong. I can't now find any evidence that Austin (unlike his brothers) ever used the "Kyffin-". Choess (talk

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That's fine, and thanks for the clarification. I'll make the necessary changes. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Cromwell's Other House

I have reverted this edit, because the list is a copy of an original source (see footnote 3) and there is more than one way of spelling this these names. --

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Governments

Having it 1987-1992 makes little sense to me - there was a major shake-up when Thatcher resigned - at least as big as any of the post-election shake-ups. If 1979-1990 and 1990-1997 are too big, I'd say divide up within each prime minister's cabinet by election, but the primary division should be between Thatcher and Major.

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That would be my first instinct as well. Is there a talk page where I can weigh in?

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24 Waterfall salute!

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21:28, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks fo the Succssion boxes that you added to the Edward John Hutchins article Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 21:09, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

E.J.Hutchens was a "liberal" but was he a "Liberal"?(See Talk:Penryn_and_Falmouth_(UK_Parliament_constituency) Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 20:37, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania

You might be interested in some photos I took at the museum and are in commons category Category:Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania including:

For now I'm just uploading them and related pix. Let me know if you have ideas on how to put them into articles on a consistent basis (individual articles, Multiple listing NRHP, or just at the Museum article) Smallbones (talk) 20:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

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Edward Conway, 1st Viscount Conway

I do not understand your last edit to the above, changing the date when he ceased to be Baron Conway from his death (1631) to 1628. In the normal couse of events, he would retain that title, even when advanced to Viscount. You may like to reconsider this point. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I did wonder whether your change was due to a writ of acceleration. It would be useful to find a means of indicating that reason for termination of holding a lesser peerage. Any suggestions as to how? Peterkingiron (talk) 18:58, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree: <small>([[writ in acceleration]])</small>), seems a good solution for the problem. You have presumably made a number of these edits, not all on my watchlist: can I leave you to deal with this? Peterkingiron (talk) 19:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Placing this under the successor is liable to be confusing as in most cases he will also be successor to his father's title subsequently, but I leave it to you. I tried it out in one case (under the title affected) and it did not look bad. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

The style for 18th Earl of Arundel looks even better. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

WP Trains in the Signpost

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Thank you for noticing

Both. Well done. Kittybrewster ☎ 21:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Haven't seen you on here in awhile. I thought of you when I was writing the

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Re: Pine Creek news?

Always good to hear from you too. I have not heard anything along these lines, though it seems quite plausible as Tioga and Lycoming Counties are hotbeds of Marcellus Shale drilling. I know some people in the DCNR who would presumably know - will try asking one of them. I really hope that the trail stays a trail. I also wonder how much it would cost to lay new track and refurbish the bridges. Oddly enough I was briefly on the Pine Creek Rail Trail yesterday (hiked down Little Four Mile Run from Leonard Harrison - beautiful day and hike). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Francis Wenman

Hi

I have been cross checking biography articles against the records of the Royal Society and I have a problem with that of Thomas Francis Wenman (which you initially added I believe). Although his biograpy in the DNB clearly says he was admitted FSA on 21 Jan 1779 that happens to be the date he was elected FRS by the Royal Society. Maybe coincidence - I think not. However its going to be difficult to prove whether he was made FSA that day or not. So not much can be done as it happens.

Peter Plucas58 (talk) 18:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Its delightful to get such a reasoned and objective response. Usually I throw a wobbler when problems are pointed out to me.

Henry Vane, 9th Baron Barnard

Hello!

Thanks so very much for improving the Henry Vane, 9th Baron Barnard article. I'm rather thrilled that someone other than me would take an interest in them. I just had some things I wanted to check:

• Barristers

He has been removed from the English Barrister's category. I didn't add him to this, yet he was a barrister called to the Temple. I know for a fact he didn't practice except for some very rare mesonic cases in County Durham. But is there any reason why he shouldn't be in that category?

• 'de Vere'

Usually peers omit the middle name, and I can see why you have redirected the page on that fact.

But, I was wondering if it was appropriate in this case? As you know, this is the reverted creation and on the title and on the House of Lord's decision on the matter of who should inherit the seat they proclaim it as:

admitted under the style Henry de Vere Vane, 9th Baron Barnard

which is why I used this name. I think this has something to do with the legal claim. In the proceedings of the House of Lord's generally he is also refered to under this style, when the other peers omit the middle surname. Strangely, the Garter King also uses this as his title on the warrant, unlike many which, as you say, omit the middle name. I don't know if this has anything to do with the reverted creation and the present Lord Barnard has no idea either. My theory is that it is to distinguish the reverted creation from the former creations. I have one of his letters and he signs himself de Vere Vane Barnard.

So, do you think the title of the article should go back to 'de Vere'?

I love the new accession boxes you have put on the articles! :)

--Alex (a.k.a. October1625) (talk) 00:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for James Murray (of Strowan)

nominate ) 06:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC) Grubb Family Iron Dynasty Hi Choess: Last year when we talked you expressed an interest in the Grubb ironworks operating out of Mount Hope, Pennsylvania, in the 19th century. I have started a userspace draft to be entitled "Grubb Family Iron Dynasty" to chronicle their history. I plan to discuss the ironworks history over 160 years, the individuals involved over four generations, and detail the properties they owned. As I recall, you said you had some pictures that might be useful. I would like to know what you have, and when I am further along would appreciate your feedback and any additional factual information you might have. Please advise. LynnSGrubb (talk) 03:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC) your contribution to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Vice_Great_Seneschal_of_Ireland I just stumbled across the above AfD. I wish I had found this debate previously, the information you contributed to that AfD would have been very helpful for this debate here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Francis_Martin_O'Donnell. It may be interesting for you to have a brief look at this article and the related debate. Both articles were created by the same editor, and possibly there is a pattern here. The concerns you voiced previously seem very relevant for both articles. ReidarM (talk) 11:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC) Re: Peers articles Hi Choess, thanks for your message. I'd like to apologise from the start for any inconvenience that I may have caused. As for the edits... The UK honours system is just that - it's in the UK. An online encyclopedia such as Wikipedia is universal. Intended for use and enjoyment for all peoples from all nations throughout the world. "If you're pursuing some sort of personal agenda with regards to the validity and credibility of the UK honours system, be aware that Wikipedia is not the place to campaign or agitate for change." But I'm not pursuing any agenda. I did not, and have no intention of, changing any actual details/life/history of the persons. Even if I did have a personal agenda, I know I would not get very far! "It is an encyclopedia, and tries to record the way the world is (rather than how some people may think it should be)". Well, take the title of a Wikipedia article on a peer - why is the title the persons NAME? And not just their title? Take, for example (as of 11th December 2010): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Sugar Why is the title just 'Alan Sugar' and not 'Lord Sugar'? I thought you're meant to record the way the world is. As a British peer, if 'Lord Sugar' is how he should be addressed, why are you not recording the way THIS is meant to be? Yes, you can say Wikipedia goes along with whatever is accepted in common parlance - so why not also do this with the title of the article? Why only the name? Because the name is the most important element, their title is secondary. As is the case of all Wikipedia titles. Now, am I wrong? I mean, having their actual name as the first thing is a simple case of informing us of who that person is. "It is an encyclopedia, and tries to record the way the world is..." I'm sorry, but I'm sure you're intelligent enough to realise this is not true. Even you have to admit that there is a certain bias when it comes to "recording the way the world is". Not that I'm complaining about it, I'm just aware of it, that's all. Wikipedia is a USA based website, so naturally there will be a slant in the bias, would you not agree? As long as impartiality, fairness and a healthy dose of neutrality is prevalent, I guess this is what matters most (despite the bias). I'm not trying to be belligerent. I understand that the numerous helpers of this encyclopedia are here to improve Wikipedia, by said means of fairness and impartiality. This is all that I am doing, trying to be impartial. Of course, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I still want their titles to be retained - I've not deleted 'Baron', or 'Sir', they are still there, just not bold. The bold part is the most important part of that person - their name. The titles are still there though! But if you feel my thinking is wrong, then that's fine. I love Wikipedia and find it a great tool for knowledge of this age. I don't want to cause any hassle or unnecessary disruption. Thank you. Somewhatdazed (talk) 18:21, 11 December 2010 (UTC) Continued Vandalism of Lombard Histroy Please be careful about your continued edit war on the Lombard history. If you continue you will be blocked from this site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eddiebrannon (talk • contribs) 16:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC) maurice Bourke Actually, 'I was only following orders' was no defence even then. To insert 'while under the orders of...' is to take a point of view on the matter. Markham was a bloody fool and should not have driven Camperdown into Victoria. The same logic would apply to Bourke. They both got away with it because it was too embarassing to admit RN captains had no more sense than this. Oh, and Bourke being well connected.Sandpiper (talk) 18:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC) No, I dont really mean that as a complaint, which on reflection it sounds like. You added a bit of info, which is the right thing to do. Its the usual problem of covering a complex thing very briefly. Sandpiper (talk) 18:13, 18 December 2010 (UTC) I dont know much about Bourke. I recall in Gordon's book he says something like the court was hand picked to make sure they got the right result at the court martial and I think it was by his friend the prince of Wales. Which makes sense given the extra info in the bourke article such as it is about him captaining prince Alfred's yacht. I have no idea if he was any good as a naval officer. It was your edit comment that bourke was acquitted because Tryon was in charge that set me off. I dont think that was the reason. I dont believe Tryon was off his head on the day, he expected the captains to do something sensible, and out of the possible options ramming the two ships together was not the best choice. I am still looking for an expert on naval maneuvers- to give a view on whether the two lines crossing in between ships was a viable outcome. Tryon gave them orders and then trusted them to carry out something off the wall safely. They didnt, so it was correctly Tryons fault for overestimating their ability, but all the same they had been given explicit orders just before never to blindly follow orders which would endanger their ships. I am guessing that Tryon was keeping some sort of eye on what Victoria did, which was to turn hard. So presumably he though this reasonable. It would have been harder for him to see exactly what Markham was doing, which mostly was squabbling with his captain about how the hell to make it work. Markham said he decided Victoria would turn outside the circle of his ship, which strikes me as pretty daft given Victoria turned tighter than Camperdown and was signalling a maximum tight turn. At the last minute Markham saw Victoria was inside him, so used engines to try to turn faster. If anything, he should have reversed helm and used engines oppositely to go outside Victoria, or as I quite suspect Tryon intended, pass behind her instead of trying to go through her. Sandpiper (talk) 05:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Succession boxes on articles for songs and albums Hi. As a "longtime installer of succession boxes", do you have an opinion on their use in songs and albums that reached #1 on national music charts? There's an WT:CHARTS#Request for comment: Use of succession boxes, and we really could use some more neutral, third-party opinions on the subject. An example of how they are used is at The E.N.D. To me, it's unintended use and it's gotten totally out of hand. Thanks for your time. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk ) 00:50, 23 December 2010 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of Fleetwood John Pellew If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article. You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles. A tag has been placed on criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable . If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hang on}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Ironholds (talk) 17:58, 13 January 2011 (UTC) Officers of the Tower of London Thank you so much for that valuable information regarding Rutton's articles. You've given me a lot of work to do! Thanks again. --Kenatipo speak! 16:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC) I need your help again on Constable of the Tower. I can't get my third ref link from the Rutton article to go straight to the page (243) in Notes and Queries in Google Books. The first 2 go right to the page (61 and 162, I think) in the book. Can you think of a search that takes the link right to page 243 for the third ref? Thanks again for your expertise and help. --Kenatipo speak! 15:56, 4 March 2011 (UTC) That looks good! Thanks. --Kenatipo speak! 00:05, 5 March 2011 (UTC) Isabella Furnace I'm amazed by how good the article is - you should submit it to DYK and FAC all at the same time! How did you find all those sources? I added the NRHP nomination form from PHMC as a ref - do you know how their new system works? Since I have a Mac and they require the use of Internet explorer it took me a while to get used to it. I thought the Brandywine Manor entry as "nearest city" was off, and it should probably be replaced with Elverson, Pennsylvania, but thought I should ask you first. Have you ever heard of a populated place called Brandywine Manor? If you can get a picture of Oakdale, I'd be very happy. If it's the place I remember, I couldn't see anyway of getting a shot of it. I'll probably go up to northern Chester County again within 10 days and try to finish that list off (though finishing it may not be possible). One place that really grabbed me was the Warwick Furnace/Farm HD, though I didn't realize exactly where I was. (I thought I was taking Brower's Bridge but got the Warwick Bridge instead File:Bridge 246 Chesco.jpg.) I may try to get a set of pix for the HD at Warwick. Somewhat related: I was in Trenton yesterday and will be uploading a couple of pix of the Roebling Machine Shop All the best, Smallbones (talk) 16:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC) DYK for Isabella Furnace nominate ) 16:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC) Alexander Leslie-Melville, 7th Earl of Leven this redirects to 9th Earl which is wrong. Kittybrewster ☎ 09:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC) You made this move while it was at WP:RM and where I had questioned whether it was actually uncontroversial given that one of the sources lists them as 9th. Given the above message was left before the RM request I am not accusing anyone of wrongdoing but I would still like to know how this is uncontroversial - it may simply be that I don't know enough about the subject but at first glance it doesn't look uncontroversial to me. Dpmuk (talk ) 23:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC) Sorry should have made it clear that it was listed as an uncontroversial request not as a full RM. Although I agree with consistency etc I still think this probably was controversial given what the online references (the only ones in the article) say. I'll message Kittybrewster to see if she can exlain why this is "uncontroversial" and so not worthy of a full WP:RM. Dpmuk (talk ) 08:16, 10 May 2011 (UTC) I have replied on my talk page. Kittybrewster ☎ 09:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC) Earl of Surrey I notice you’ve been re-numbering the Warenne Earls of Surrey; what source are you using? The only source on the EoS page supports the previous numbering scheme, not yours. And don’t you think you should have discussed it first before starting to move pages around? Swanny18 (talk) 19:10, 21 May 2011 (UTC) I've just seen your reply; thanks for that! I didn’t realize the history of all this; nothing is straightforward, is it? I don’t know that I’m against the numbering scheme per se; it agrees with the leigh rayment page (though not with the one at thepeerage.com) but I don't know how reliable either of them are. I was mainly concerned that the only source on the page itself, the FMG website, says the opposite to what the article now says about the numbering. What is ODNB? Do you have a reference for it? And do you think we should have a sentence or two explaining the discrepancy? Swanny18 (talk) 14:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC) John Ross (British Army officer) Many thanks for expanding the article on John Ross (British Army officer). I was aware that there was more than one Sir John Ross but I was struggling with selecting the correct biographical details to add to this article. Much appreciated. Dormskirk (talk) 17:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC) You're invited to the Philadelphia Wiknic! This message is being sent to inform you of a Wikipedia picnic that is being held in your area this Saturday, June 25. From 1 to 5 PM or any time in between, join your fellow volunteers for a get together in the Azalea Garden, just behind the Philadelphia Museum of Art 39°58′05″N 75°10′59″W / 39.96801°N 75.183156°W / 39.96801; -75.183156 Take along your friends ( newbies permitted), your family and other free culture enthusiasts! You may also want to pack a blanket, some water or perhaps even a frisbee. If you can, share what you're bringing at the discussion page. Also, please remember that this is the picnic that anyone can edit so bring enough food to share! Smallbones (talk) 17:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC) Good Article promotion Congratulations! Thanks for all the work you did in making Trial of Lord George Gordon a certified "Good Article"! Your work is much appreciated. (Pictured: sump'm bad goin' down.) In the spirit of celebration, you may wish to review one of the Good Article nominees that someone else nominated, as there is currently a backlog, and any help is appreciated. All the best, – Quadell (talk) Wikimania in DC next year Wikimania will be in Washington, DC next August, and I'd like to complete the List of RHPs in DC as a present to all the visitors. I made a general proposal/invitation at Talk:National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Washington,_D.C.#Wikimania_in_DC Please take a look and any help would be appreciated. Smallbones (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC) Good Article promotion You did it again! Another round of congratulations are in order for all the work you did in making Gaylussacia brachycera a certified "Good Article"! (Pictured: other admirers of Box Huckleberry.) Thank you; your work is much appreciated. All the best, – Quadell (talk) Lock Ridge Park Why the reversions to Lock Ridge Park?--Rpclod (talk) 21:06, 30 August 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the response. I thought that might be the case. Good luck with East Penn RR.--Rpclod (talk) 03:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC) Re:Gaylussacia brachycera Hey, that's no problem, thanks for taking it on. It's always a pleasure to review taxonomical articles at GAC, and, compared to animals and fungi, plants are a little underrepresented. J Milburn (talk) 09:33, 1 September 2011 (UTC) WT:DYK By the way, this comment wasn't actually cloned from an edit conflict; I moved it from its original space because I thought (perhaps incorrectly) it was a response to Malleus' question. You can move it back if I was wrong in moving it; I just wanted to let you know because in this edit you actually deleted your comment (there isn't a copy of it lower down). rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC) Flood Great to hear from you - and I owe you an email. I am going to try and make it to Sonestown and Hillsgrove to check on the bridges when the roads reopen. Also want to see Worlds End SP. (My guess is that it will be easier to get to Sonestown first / that 220 will reopen first). If you want I can try and find the station there, but any sort of address / map / coorrdinates would help. I have never been to Nordmont, but can try that too. Hope all is well and congrats on the GAs. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:29, 12 September 2011 (UTC) I made it to Sonestown via some detours (a chunk of US 220 is still closed) - the covered bridge has a tree in the one wall but is still standing and I think very repair-able. Also made it to the village of Sonestown, which was heartbreaking, with all the flood damage. The only house I saw in the village that was not flood damaged was the former depot (see pic). There is an odd little bridge to the depot house - could it be a converted rail bridge? Did not make it to Nordmont - faling light and 12 mile round trip. Will try sometime to get there. Take care, and congrats on another GA! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:03, 14 September 2011 (UTC) Thanks very much for the sources on the bridges - I think IP who initially updated the articles thought damaged = destroyed. The bridge to the former depot looks old and the road doesn't really go anywhere else, so perhaps it was built to access the depot? Or perhaps there were once other things to access up there. Did you see what happened to the Lycoming Valley Railroad bridge over the Loyalsock here? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC) Sounds reasonable - I think this flood will result in several houses in Sonestown being torn down - it was terrible to see how damaged some were. If I recall correctly, Col. Ricketts was involved in the clothespin factory at Sonestown. Someday I'd like to work on the articles on him and the town of Ricketts, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:00, 15 September 2011 (UTC) Thanks, I just remembered it was a wood-working mill. I have the fairly recent (and very small print run) biography of Ricketts too, used it for the Clemuel Ricketts Mansion article. It said he hoped his Sonestown mill would help provide for his family after his death, but it only outlasted him a few years. They had to sell off the land eventually, which state park fans are glad for ;-) Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:08, 15 September 2011 (UTC) Just as well I didn't try to get to Nordmont the other day - turns out the road between Sonestwon and Nordmont is closed as a bridge is out about 2 miles beyond Sonestown. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 23:01, 15 September 2011 (UTC) DYK for Adiantum viridimontanum DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Orlady (talk) 08:03, 12 September 2011 (UTC) Good Article promotion You did it again! Another round of congratulations are in order for all the work you did in making Adiantum viridimontanum a certified "Good Article"! (Pictured: the unrelated green maiden hair.) Seriously though, thank you; your diverse work is much appreciated. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 19:05, 13 September 2011 (UTC) Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Choess/Archive5&oldid=1139990593"