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Thank you very much for your nice welcome and yout tips, I´m a wikipedian over 5 years, but mostly I´m working (if I have time) in the German Wikipedia with a concentration on science. Only sometimes I come here:--Empiricus-sextus (talk) 14:20, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I understand this 100 % (I was a strong fighter for the copyright issue in wikipedia -see my german side) but the press statement is more or less an open source UN document without any copyright (until you citate the source correctly !) Specially in the context it is even necessary to use the "UN words". I´m offically for Wikimedia Germany at the conference - the text was exactly verbal communicated on the press conference. For me it`s enough to care for the german version.... --Empiricus-sextus (talk) 16:27, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The UN webpages are copyright, according to their copyright page: "COPYRIGHT © UNITED NATIONS All rights reserved. None of the materials provided on this web site may be used, reproduced or transmitted, in whole or in part..." so you're not allowed to copy their material to Wikipedia. Everything you add to Wikipedia needs to be written in your own words please. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 20:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources on Estiphan Panoussi

Hello Empiricus, if you could have a look at your article

significant coverage in independant sources

, that is also good to add to demonstrate notability.

See you around, – Thjarkur (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, I add some strong source. Should be o.k. now ! Best Greetings --Empiricus-sextus (talk) 10:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Estiphan Panoussi

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reliable source

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I add some strong sources - should be o.k.--Empiricus-sextus (talk) 11:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:51, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply

And now with a nice thread at

WP:ANI. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply

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This sanction has been removed; the topic ban is not longer in place. See #Topic ban removed (Special:Diff/1026737918) for details. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:35, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following sanction has been imposed on you: You are indefinitely COVID-19 , broadly construed. You have been sanctioned because you have repeatedly WP:MEDRS applies: "Laboratories are per se not research subjects - and therefore strict scientific standards do not apply here. [...] This is not only an issue of science but also of international politics",[7] "One has to be blind not to see - that the laboratory thesis is a highly political issue. [...] this has less to do with science, but with politics. Who does not understand this - has understood factually nothing.",[8] "The laboratory lack question is a biosafety and biosecurity issue [...] The question of natural origin belongs first of all to animal virology.",[9] "from a scientific point of view regarding biosafety",[10] "all this has nothing directly to do with medicine and missinformation",[11] "MEDRIS must be the central source for all medical questions concerning COVID 19, but this question is about biosafety [...] It is the wrong methodology to answer this question. For this reason, we have no choice but to consult other reliable sources."[12] This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator as authorised by the community's decision at Wikipedia:General sanctions/COVID-19, and the procedure described by the general sanctions guidelines. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions for that topic. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions. You may appeal this sanction at the administrators' noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:03, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply ]

ToBeFree, kindly consider lifting the topic ban placed on Empiricus-sextus. The two reasons you gave for the ban simply do not hold up.

• Firstly, Biosafety is a field dedicated to managing occupationally-acquired infections and the WHO Director General publicly acknowledged that the WHO team’s report on a possible laboratory incident was not extensive enough. The team did not have a biosafety expert and the DG said the possibility of a laboratory incident requires further investigation by a more specialised team. This is what Empiricus-sextus was trying to say in the statements you cited in the topic ban notice.
• Secondly, the deletion of a long abandoned draft by the esteemed
  WP:N and will be a value to future historians, bored housewives who scroll through our random articles
  , or songwriters looking for inspiration for their next hit.

If you do lift the ban, my advice to Empiricus-sextus would be to leave this topic to experienced EN:WP editors. Tinybubi (talk) 08:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback, I have read this message. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:48, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have already been issued a topic ban under general sanctions relating to COVID-19, I would recommend you quit engaging in discussions that could be construed as relating to the subject (such as these two edits to User:ToBeFree's talk page). jp×g 22:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@

one suggestion for improvement

and was very surprised by the selection criteria. This very strict and wrong rule interpretations (from few editors) leads to dogmatic discussions (in one other topic) - is a logical consequence. There is nothing more to say about it.

You are a source expert, as I have seen -what I have understood so far, is that in Wikipedia to certain topics the sources must fit (but what happens if scientific sources can be automatically excluded ? - is not regulated !), that we must also take into account the background and circumstances and then weigh what where we find consensus. This basic rule is here out of order, I have oriented my behavior to it and I do not think that is wrong with me, my behavior, but we have a rule problem - resulting in a content problem.

In special cases an adjustment (what you suggestet- I think !) would make sense, reasons I and other had mentioned, otherwise you violate rules and that leads to misbehaviour. I think that in the future much more research will follow, pro and contra, but I think we should (not as now) exclude none of the results of both options here, also not the cirumstances, etc... Thanks again and have a nice Sunday.--Empiricus-sextus (talk) 11:19, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JPxG: There is no adjustment necessary for rules; because in WP:MEDRS we have this rule: "Sourcing for all other types of content – including non-medical information in medicine-articles – is covered by the general guideline on identifying reliable sources." That was exactly my position in the discussion and above, which I emphatically defended. It's logic. Biosecurity and Biosafty - the laboratory topic in general is a multidisciplinary topic, with a lot of non-medical informations. I have behaved correctly according to WP.There is a misunderstanding of the application of the MEDRS rules. Also - I have never used a NON MEDRS source in an article, wrote nothing - only discussed, that is a big difference.--Empiricus-sextus (talk) 20:06, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Empiricus-sextus: I would, again, recommend you quit engaging in discussions that could be construed as relating to the subject (such as this one). jp×g 20:17, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that. I am not interested in discussions on the topic, as I said, I respect the topic ban here. I'm just trying to understand the rules that led to my ban. Our Wikipedia can't be that illogical - fortunately. If the rule applies, the topic ban is disproportionate. There is a need for clarification. As I said it is a problem of interpretation and correct application of rules - my mistake was that I didn't really check deeper the WP:MEDRS correctly. I have discussed for something that has long existed here !--Empiricus-sextus (talk) 21:10, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A topic ban means you are not allowed to discuss the subject, anywhere on the website, nor are you allowed to argue about the specific details of why you were actually right in the argument about the subject that led to it. While you can appeal it on the issuing admin's talk page or at

WP:AN, I do not recommend you immediately doing this: it would probably be a better idea to spend a while editing elsewhere on Wikipedia (in non-controversial subjects) and get a better feel for how things work beforehand. jp×g 03:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply

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In the interest of making helpful contributions to talk page discussions, I'd recommend reading

WP:ASPERSIONS. jp×g 07:37, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply

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I have been editing in wikipedia for nearly 20 years !!! The basic rules are already clear to me. As an occasional editor, I certainly do not know the many, new nuances (specially here in the english WP), but basically I do not make personal attacks. I am diplomatic, but strict and logic in the argumentation. But this should not be taken as a PA. Thank you for advice....--Empiricus-sextus (talk) 12:03, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Empiricus-sextus,

first of all: I'm sorry. I have attempted to strictly enforce the

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Again, I'm sorry. I have made a mistake here by enforcing a consensus that turned out not to exist in the way I thought it did.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:33, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear ToBeFree,

thanks for your correction and the removal of the topic ban. I did not take it personally. I am aware that the administrators sit between all chairs and to do the right job for Wikipedia, the community and the world is very difficult - concerning the origin question. The time out was also not a real problem, since I only occasionally write in Wikipedia anyway.

Best regards --Empiricus-sextus (talk) 10:58, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much,

WP:ARC

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I guess the only possible outcomes of the case are a) the committee taking no actual action, or b) the committee converting

WP:AC/DS

procedures. None of these two options would have an impact on the RFC linked above, which may be the most important area of COVID19-related discussion at the moment. When that RFC is closed, hopefully by multiple experienced administrators or bureaucrats, the result will probably have a very strong impact on all of the origin discussions.

There's probably still a lot of time to do so, and I guess you already have this on your schedule, but just saying: A concise statement with policy-based arguments in the RFC is probably a valuable opportunity I'd recommend taking before it's closed.

Best regards and sorry again,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:13, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear ToBeeFree - all good. I have added in the RFC discussion - which was almost finished - a section Conclusions, which comes more from the point of view of the philosophy of science or medicine (my specialty) and looks at the whole thing from another perspective. Basically, all discussions here are going in circles, because of complex problems of classification of contents medical (bioinformation) and non-medical (no bioinformation). If this is understood and we find consensus on the correct application (of MEDRS) and Bioinformation - a central problem is solved. Greeting --Empiricus-sextus (talk) 09:45, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Empiricus. When you get a chance, please have a look at

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