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Sahara

in the deletions page log thing, it said it had been settled as not going to be deleted, so I removed the tag????Engineman (talk) 22:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Avram (disambiguation) listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Avram (disambiguation). Since you had some involvement with the Avram (disambiguation) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). MegaSloth (talk) 01:17, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Fayenatic London. I don't quite understand this edit of yours. Could you please explain the deletion of the Emerson LaSalle hoax to me? Thanks. CactusWriter | needles 14:07, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. It was by Special:Contributions/Indefiniteintegral, all of whose new articles known to me – Leibniz function, Leibniz differential, Fermat differentiation, ‎ La'kalai and Aru'kiruna – were hoaxes. Somehow I miscalculated and thought the time and dates that he recorded for Emerson LaSalle did not correspond, although in fact they do (oops). I therefore guessed that the hoax had not been there as long as he said. I see you're an Admin; if you can confirm the creation date for that article, I will be happy to reinstate it in the list with apologies. - Fayenatic (talk)
No problem. The Emerson LaSalle article was created 27 November 2007, at 22:36 by User:Gorjus. Thanks for keeping a watchful eye out for hoaxes. CactusWriter | needles 16:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Fayenatic london. You have new messages at VernoWhitney's talk page.
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I canceled your Merge proposal. Please see the

Muktika is a better merge target if a stub article is found inadequate. rudra (talk) 05:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

Good call. I might do that, if you don't do it first. - Fayenatic (talk) 08:38, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is a (slight) chance that a legit bio can be written. I've asked others to look into it too. There is plenty of legendary material available (of very predictable, stereotype quality - one could almost say it's a genre), the problem is figuring out how much - actually, how little - has a factual substratum that can be reliably sourced. People who haven't seen this kind of "literature" before can be taken in, and have been. rudra (talk) 17:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article seems to be in safe hands so I'll stop watching it and let you carry on, as I have no sources to contribute. - Fayenatic (talk) 00:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Massacre of the Innocents

How about this: [[1]]?? Springnuts (talk) 11:05, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK by me. I've rearranged it again, though. - Fayenatic (talk) 11:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your deletion of my addition to Three Wise Monkeys

Hi! I noted that you deleted the note I added to Three Wise Monkeys suggesting a possible origin of the original Chinese maxim in Hebrew literature and documenting a plausible mechanism for its migration into China. Can you explain your motive for this deletion? With the earliest referenced Chinese instance of the maxim in the 8th century, and both Christian and Jewish presence documented in China well before that, it seems to me that this hypothesis is entirely plausible. Isaiah's form of the saying aligns extremely well with the iconography of the carving on the stable at Tosho-Gu in Nikko:

Isa 33:15 that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;

The last two fit perfectly; the first is not represented on the shrine, but is reflected in the four-clause version of the underlying maxim cited in the article.

Capturing possible cross-cultural linkages like this that might not be noted by any single author is, it seems to me, one of the great strengths of Wikipedia. It is a fact that similar sayings circulated in the Levant and in China, and linkages between the two areas in the correct chronological sequence (between the origin of Isaiah's version, and the first appearance of the Chinese version) are well documented. Can you explain why you didn't want to let stand a note calling readers' attention to the possibility of a connection? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Van Parunak (talkcontribs) 17:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NALGO

I don't object to the article being moved to the later name - but it would have been good if you had asked for opinions first. Never mind - we'll see if anyone else objects. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The page name did not match the subject shown in bold in the first line; it should, see
WP:BOLD! Best wishes, Fayenatic (talk) 21:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

Re: three monkeys

Hi, thanks for your very thoughtful reply. After posting my comment, I noted the somewhat cryptic reference to "original research", and guessed that this might be the problem. I agree with the intent of the policy, though I need to get calibrated on what constitutes "original research." I should have thought that citing a primary source that aligns verbally with what is being discussed in an article would be within bounds--but as a newbie, I'm happy to be corrected!

Perhaps you can give guidance on how to proceed. In terms of reliable sources, I think I qualify (PhD from Harvard in Near Eastern Languages and Literatures with specialization in the Old Testament, 1977). The observation in question is so specific that I doubt I could find a journal interested in it (though if you can suggest one, I'll write it up). But the idea occurred to me in the course of an ongoing exposition of Isaiah in which I'm involved, and which is publicly available on-line (http://www.cyber-chapel.org/sermons/isaiah/index.html; the observation in question appears in footnote 6 on p. 8 of http://www.cyber-chapel.org/sermons/isaiah/notes/Isaiah33.pdf . Is such a reference sufficient to serve as a citation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Van Parunak (talkcontribs) 14:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. I know there is
other stuff of the kind, but it gets challenged and eventually removed. For instance, the personal theories at Jesus wept #Interpretation
all need to go, except for Warfield's which states the author (an established exegete) and provides a citation. I've been meaning to put in some stuff from respected commentaries and delete the rest.
In the light of http://www.cyber-chapel.org/about.html I do not think it would be possible to demonstrate sufficient academic peer review. The sermons on that website appear to be the work of yourself or others closely associated with you.
citing oneself
. Regardless of whether I agree with your theory, unless and until you get it printed in an academically-reviewed Bible commentary or similar, I don't think there is a way to publish it here.
However, please consider joining
WikiProject Bible, or one of the others listed at Portal:Christianity/Projects, as there is a lot of substantial and more valuable work to be done! - Fayenatic (talk) 20:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

In case you see this, I apologise for giving offence. We're both working hard to improve this encyclopedia; in fact my edit count is

above yours
. I see I need to work on communicating better if I'm still giving the impression that I'm a newbie or vanity editor.

You wrote that you were not sure what I was implying about you. I only meant that we would both be better off improving articles than trading remarks. Most of your edits to the article in question are justified and I did not attempt to revert them. Anyway, thanks for forcing me to track down a demonstrable

WP:RS. - Fayenatic (talk) 21:42, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

I just came her to let you know I had apologized to you on my page, too. Obviously, we both want what's best for the project, but I was being a complete jerk. I'll try my very best to not let a bad day bleed over into Wikispace again. — Satori Son 23:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

POV tags

hi. the luis palau template refers to the fact that the article portrays him as a liberal out-of-the-box preacher, which is debatable, and that he has been involved in some controversies that are not even mentioned. the other one, refers to only one section which seems to always give the last word to the foundation side.--camr nag 00:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please reply at Talk:Emmanuel Schools Foundation#Article Issues. - Fayenatic (talk) 17:49, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Muriel

Thank you many times, Fayenatic london. Have a great day! --

Vejvančický (talk) 15:47, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

Barnstar

The Invisible Barnstar
For rooting out hoaxes in even the most obscure corners of Wikipedia. Your efforts are seen and appreciated. CactusWriter | needles 00:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if you keep barnstars around, but this was an interesting find. CactusWriter | needles 00:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the award! I was amazed to find that the para had been around for so long, partly because it had even been embellished (apparently in good faith) along the way! - Fayenatic (talk) 12:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Muriel a andělé

Updated DYK query On
DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page
.

Thanks Victuallers (talk) 00:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ref name

Hi, I havent seen that before it was made by using http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Reflinks seems that has made error or something --Typ932 T·C 02:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I saw where you've done some editing to this article. I've tried to cut it down some, mainly to remove the peacock terms and other brochure-like marketing material. I'm also concerned that much of the recently added material was copied straight from a book and not re-worded to avoid copyright issues. I've taken a stab at cleaning it up some, but would appreciate another set of eyes. Thanks! TNXMan 13:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I don't have access to the book so I've left the plagiarism tag, but I've deleted & revised a lot more and was content to remove the other tags. Have a look now. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please do review the plagiarism tag, as I thought the article was worth for DYK! - Fayenatic (talk) 18:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The improvements look great! All of the weasel words and spam are gone and we are left with quite an impressive bio. Thanks again for cleaning this up. TNXMan 19:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Glad you agree! Sometimes a COI contributor + an experienced editor can make a decent article. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to everyone who contributed to improving this page with helpful edits. Thanks for nominating the page to appear in the "Did you know" section; I am a new contributor to Wikipedia and it's been an encouraging learning experience. Hopefully, I've addressed the [expand] and [specify] tags adequately. - Mbtso (talk) 22:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, and yes you have! By the way I should not have implied that you necessarily have a conflict of interest (although some previous single-purpose accounts editing that article alone did give that impression). - Fayenatic (talk) 22:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Coronation Street theme

Hi Fayenatic London: We have The Mail on Sunday Story. How should we proceed. Monika London (talk) 13:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Theraplay

I am puzzled by your merge of this article with Play Therapy. They are not remotely the same thing. Should this not be discussed first?Fainites barleyscribs 21:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first line of the article Theraplay said that it uses play therapy, so they are not as remote as you suggest. I explained both in my edit summary and at Talk:Theraplay what I was doing and why. If you have the time to create a better article on Theraplay, with citations, that would be good, and I would be willing to help with formatting etc. Note that I added another online source on the effectiveness of Theraplay to the bibliography in Play Therapy, which had been given on the talk page. - Fayenatic (talk) 08:15, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well play therapy is a mainstream generic therapeutic tool. "Theraplay" is a named, specific therapy with Capital Letters. I suppose the main difference is that play therapy is broadly non-directive and theraplay is very specifically directive. Theraplay is also somewhat controversial. There are issues around the use of touch and holding and it gets promoted by those practising the extremely controversial Attachment therapy. However, it has alos been used in the Head Start programme. I don't know a huge amount about myself but there have been issues in the past here with some editors trying to name it as an "Attachment therapy" and others claiming it is mainstream and evidence based and not an "Attachment therapy" at all. Probably neither view point is either fair or neutral but certainly none of these views, issues and controversies relate to simple play therapy. It is certainly not as simple as saying it should be merged simply because it says it utilises play therapy or is a bit of a stubby article. Can you please un-merge it and restore the status quo so the matter can be fully discussed on the talk page. I would propose to seek the opinion of psychology project members. There are several there who have expertise in the area of infant mental health. I think I did dig up some sources about research at some point a while back but there wasn't an awful lot. I'll see if I can find anything else.Fainites barleyscribs 10:00, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also - if your concern is lack of citations, that is just as much a problem with putting the material into the play therapy article is it not? The play therapy references do not cite/support Theraplay but it may well create the impression that it does. Do mainstream therapists accept the tenets of Theraplay? I've found this source in a 2008 book here which gives a lot of detail about research conducted a while ago in Germany and Austria. I agree the article needs a lot of work, but I don't think merging with play therapy is the answer.Fainites barleyscribs 10:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As the "I added" link above shows, I did add citations and links for Theraplay when I merged it, although I didn't check every part of what I merged. If you know better, feel free to undo or edit what I've done to

WP:BOLD results in you or other editors changing a long-unsatisfactory article into a decent one, I shall be pleased to have played some part in prompting the improvement! - Fayenatic (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

Well feel free to improve it yourself.Fainites barleyscribs 22:02, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that Theraplay, like any "proprietary" treatment, should be discussed separately from a general approach. If it doesn't go into a separate article, it should be set off in its own section, so it' s clear to readers that these are not simply synonyms. In this case, by the way, it would probably be wise to look at ways play therapy is used by psychologists and how those compare to its use by OTs, special education providers, etc. Also, it would be good to discuss "Floortime" (which looks much like play therapy at first glance) and note what the differences are. Jean Mercer (talk) 00:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Happy List