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Natural environment edits
Hi, I just reverted your good-faith edit because I felt that the two categories you added didn't fit the article's subject matter. As an article about natural environments, environmental design didn't seem relevant, and since the article's focus is not on environmental conservation (in fact it barely makes reference to it), the Conservation category didn't seem to be appropriate either. If you believe that these categories are relevant to the article, please discuss their inclusion in the article on the Talk:Natural environment before readding them. Thanks. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 08:01, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Architecture categories by style
Hi Look2See1, I see you took on the job of categorising 20th and 21st century architecture based on style. Please be aware that the wiki articles on the subject are not yet well developed, and cannot be taken as a comprehensive guide for such categorization. The distinctions between architectural styles of the second half of the 20th century and contemporary architecture are often ambiguous, with different critics drawing the lines differently. Most importantly, "modernist" is commonly used only for early 20th century architecture. There are also clear cut cases such as the Neue Staatsgalerie which is a prime example of postmodernism or designs by Peter Eisenman which most critics consider a prime representant of deconstructivism. Other terms such as "critical regionalsm" have been proposed but not yet in world-wide use. Please be aware that labelling everything contemporary as "modernist" could create confusion and controversy. For this reason I would rather leave alone buildings built after 1990, as their categorasitaion will remain object of dispute among critics. --Elekhh (talk) 05:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- Please refrain of categorizing buildings as "modernist" only because they were built in the 20th or 21st century or based on personal judgement. I've undone a number of your recent edits where there was no evidence that such categorization would be appropriate, or there is evidence of the contrary. I opened a tread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Architecture#Categorizing late 20th and 21st century architecture by style in order to seek community consensus regarding the best way to categorize contemporary architecture. --Elekhh (talk) 06:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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- Hi Elekhh, Have stopped the modern & contemporary [Cat:Architecture] adds, while it is clarified by editor group. Apologize for not addressing your concerns earlier. Not ignoring, but trying to clarify thoughts. Will be brief for here. Was using Category:Modernist architecture in very broad way, as a post 'Classical and regional vernacular Revivalisms & Victoriana' and post early 20th century to present category. Defining "Modernist" in an encompassing manner - the way Romanesque, Renaissance, Baroque, and Neoclassical each hold many subtly diverse to quite loosely related styles.
- Got my undergraduate degree when Federal Modernism - let alone all the "contemporary but not modern" styles since. Will read editors' discussions, and share more later. Was not trying to impose 'my taste' but allow some wonderful project's articles be less obtuse to find. Will wait for consensus clarity here-on. Thanks for your patience.---best---Look2See1 t a l k →22:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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- Sorry for my previous harsh wording, I recognise your edits are in good faith. I hope there will be some fruitful discussion on this at WikiProject Architecture. I think some of the disagreement also comes from a distinction critics often make between "modern architecture" and "modernist architecture", the first being a more integrative term. However as mentioned, some critics, like Charles Jencks would trace a clear line to where modern architecture ends, and not use it for anything post-1980s. --Elekhh (talk) 03:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Classification of ecoregions
Hi Look2See1 and thanks for your work on classifying ecoregions. I wonder why ecoregions of Borneo is included in
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- Hi Elekhh, just now in fixing above I saw-recalled my thinking at time, that the 21:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Borneo is in Oceania geographically, but than again it is in (South-east) Asia politically... Given that the article is about the ecoregion I think is fair to categorize it primarily by global ecoregion categories. Maybe this needs to be clarified in the category description as well. To what you're trying to do maybe the best solution is to categorize Category:Ecoregions of Indonesia as a subcategory of Category:Geography of Oceania. --Elekhh (talk) 02:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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Death Valley region and Great Basin
A lot of questions there. First, I think that not creating new categories in these areas may be the best moves for a while. Give the system a chance to catch up. Re the Death Valley stuff. I don't like the using region in a category name since it is ambiguous. Category names and the contents should allow for objective inclusion criteria and not be subjective. If there is an article Death Valley Region that defined the area, then a category probably would be OK. Without that article, I would question the category. Re: Category:Great Basin landforms. I was not planning on deleting this. I agree with you that the naming might be backwards. The need for the category is questionable. I'm not sure if grouping landforms by geographic areas is right. If I'm recalling correctly, large parts of Nevada are in multiple geologic and geographic areas. If we create a category tree for one, do we need to do so for all? We probably need to concentrate on cleanup right now. BTW, the is a WikiProject Geography but I'm not sure how active they are. I posted a request there for help with the Searchlight triple point and got no response. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Populated places
Aren't all 'unincorporated communities' 'populated places'? If so the articles should not be in the populated places category. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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- Hi Vegaswikian, cleaning up my earlier [this year] mistake of putting all Clark County pop. places in a then new [Cat:Cities of C.Cty], including non-incorporated & CDP entities. So now my misplaced ones are getting [Cat:pop. place in Clark.Cty] & [Cat:CDP in Nevada] or [Cat:Uninc. com./town in Nevada]. Not clear on your question & want to be, seems one cat. at county and different one at state is standard ? Please let me know if otherwise.---Thanks---Look2See1 t a l k → 18:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- If Category:Unincorporated places in Clark County, Nevada has Category:Populated places in Clark County, Nevada as a parent, articles in Category:Unincorporated places in Clark County, Nevada would not need to directly contain Category:Populated places in Clark County, Nevada. Since we have Category:Cities in Clark County, Nevada we probably need a similar category for unincorporated communities. Note that planned communities like Mountains Edge and Summerlin are not communities in this sense but are populated places or neighborhoods. Summerlin is also odd in that it is in the city and a CDP and the county. So yes, a cleanup in this area is needed. We also need to add Category:Neighborhoods in Nevada where Category:Planned communities in Nevada is a subcategory. See Category:Populated places in Washington (U.S. state) for a more complete category.
- One take here is to create the top level categories and then split them when you see how they are populated. The other is to create the top categories as parent categories and fill them from below. Hope this does not confuse you. But as I said this are does need a good cleanup and additional categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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- Still confused, sorry, it seems that Category:Populated places in Washington (U.S. state) is similar to Category:Populated places in Nevada, with NV missing some like cat:neighborhoods & cat:planned communities. Washington does have the 1 specific Category:Populated places in King County, Washington in [Category:Populated places in Washington (U.S. state)], I can similarly put Category:Populated places in Clark County, Nevada in [Category:Populated places in Nevada] ? Are you advising that new [Category:Unincorporated communities in Clark County, Nevada], & same with [Category:Census-designated places in CC, NV] - [Category:Unincorporated towns in CC, NV] are needed-ok ?
- I'm reluctant currently to create any new 'desert located anything' cat.s - after the other editor's recent plethora of micro-G.B ones, and questioning enough of mine too. I did today's new [Cat:Pop. places CC] only in response to an editor's [yours ?] very valid point in Sept. that with [Cat:Cities CC] I had put non-inc. communities in it, otherwise would not have.---Thanks---Look2See1 t a l k → 19:48, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I was just looking at creating one for planned communities. Any others to consider? Vegaswikian (talk) 19:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Not sure how to deal with Category:Populated places in King County, Washington since that is an odd ball. It really belongs in Category:Populated places in Washington (U.S. state) by county not sure that is needed there yet. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm reluctant currently to create any new 'desert located anything' cat.s - after the other editor's recent plethora of micro-G.B ones, and questioning enough of mine too. I did today's new [Cat:Pop. places CC] only in response to an editor's [yours ?] very valid point in Sept. that with [Cat:Cities CC] I had put non-inc. communities in it, otherwise would not have.---Thanks---Look2See1 t a l k → 19:48, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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- Hi Vegaswikian, with [Cat:Planned communities in NV], or [Cat:Plan.cmm. in C.C., NV], it's yours [and any other local editors] place to decide, as I'm not a NV resident. I had typed & saved a Category:Populated places in Nevada by county earlier today, but with only Category:Populated places in Clark County, Nevada & an unorganized Category:Reno–Sparks metropolitan area & Category:Washoe County, Nevada without any Category:Populated places in Washoe County, Nevada, [along with my "no new desert cats." timeout], - I didn't set it up. Perhaps for states like WA & NV with only 1-2 major metropolitan areas/counties it can wait ?
- The Category:Populated places in California by county is only 'populated' with 18 of its 55+ counties. I have created a few of those to clean up the parent [Cat:County, CA] or sub-cat. [Cat:Geography of county, CA] pages - when one couldn't see the 'big trees' articles for all the 'little sapling settlements' ones. The motivation was actually the same when did hasty [Category:Cities in Clark County, Nevada] in Sept., though that was for settlement sub-cats "clutter."
- Have finished cat. tagging all the Clark non-incorp. settlements' articles & their sub-cats. Will now [to not startle your watchlist] take quick pass to make sure both articles & sub-cats. for the Clark inc.-cities all have their tags ensembles too; & unless hear otherwise will put Category:Populated places in Clark County, Nevada in Category:Populated places in Nevada, .....and then will quickly depart Great Basin-Mojave territory......
- With our favorite G.Basin editor reverting your good Lake Mojave cleanup with [cat:state boundaries] back, upon reflection realized need to get busy and put that cat. on every Calif. beach, town, city, county, surf spot, lighthouse, etc. within tsunami zone of Pacific O. state boundary line - & then on to China and back.... Anyway, please advise as needed, want to learn---best---Look2See1 t a l k → 21:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Borders
Any editor is free to undo changes that they believe are not correct. Just remember to avoid the
History of Clark County
When a category like Category:History of Clark County, Nevada is in another category like Category:National Register of Historic Places in Clark County, Nevada then it is already applied to all of the articles in Category:National Register of Historic Places in Clark County, Nevada and it should not be added separately to the articles. Aren't categories fun! Vegaswikian (talk) 06:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
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- Hi, hear you on cat:history not to join a cat:NRHP on articles, and will not repeat that hereon. Did set up some other NV county history cat.s where mining was-landmarks are significant. [alas have double done it on them too, & for months on other states/counties.....] Will undo as come across them all again. I'm learning from your approach and comments on edits too, such as on Topock Gorge & Lake Mojave - with your actual deletes and beyond to the criteria behind them that's widely usable elsewhere. Thanks anew.---Look2See1 t a l k → 06:39, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Functionalism architecture
Category:Death Valley region
I'm likely going to propose this for deletion since the inclusion criteria is really ambiguous. Also it seems to require meeting multiple criteria which is also frowned upon by the guideline. Any ideas for a better name or a simpler set of inclusion criteria? Vegaswikian (talk) 20:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
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- Hi Vegaswikian, Thanks for asking about Category:Death Valley region, and clarifying-improving it by delete/rename. After reading many wiki-articles on various "region" types lately, to improve my understanding and future usage, and as a first pass here, it seems very broadly that regions tend to be in one of four groups:
- 1.) physical geography group - with scientifically determined, generally agreed, clearly delineated boundaries
- 2.) geopolitical group - with legislation-treaty established precise boundaries
- 3.) historical-political, visual-aesthetic, and socio-cultural regiongroup - with defined, or generally agreed upon, or established over time boundaries; that range from 'clear'/singular; to 'fuzzy'/overlapping; to opinionated variable options, to [weasel term] edges
- 4.) natural history group - with determation by biota presence/range, &/or averaged climate and elevations, &/or visual landform boundaries that are: clear-simple, orr transitional-ecotone-intergrade, or stop & start, or have significant exceptions
- To possibly apply above to our locale: "d.v. group" 1.) Category:Death Valley basin itself, drainage basin-watershed, features & places; "d.v. group" 2.) Category:Death Valley National Park, removing "visitor interest filter," for articles on anything within the park boundaries, & child [cat.D.V.]; "d.v.group" 3.) outside DV and DVNP - ie: Amargosa Desert-Amargosa River-Amargosa Valley, mining-ghost towns-old RR lines-stops, Timbisha homelands; "d.v. group" 4.) convert old "Category:Death Valley region with the "ill disciplined" plants, animals - to possibility below.
- Possible solution: a new Category:Natural history of Death Valley region, only for "d.v. group 4" natural history biota-ecosystems articles, and "d.v. group 3" selected 'non-human history' landforms and natural places articles. It could be a sub-cat. in Category:Death Valley National Park and Category:Natural history of the Mojave Desert. "It" is not defined by Great Basin water movement or Mojave Desert history. If a plant [article] is endemic to the valley floor, the Eureka Valley, or the Panamint Range it can be found here. The 'D.V. region' is so rich from the unique extremes of its location and being a large transition zone from M.Desert. ecoregion to G.B. ecoregion, that one valley nor artificial park boundaries can contain it. Another option is just use existing cat:D.V, cat:DVNP, & cat:N.h.of.M.D.
- Shared in spirit of early discussion, not final standpoint. Your question's final solution can be a wiki-precedent for consistency.---Thanks---Look2See1 t a l k → 23:53, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
- My primary concern is that the use of region is completely ambiguous and the introduction does not help. Category:Natural history of the Mojave Desert or Category:Natural history of Death Valley might be better targets for this as you suggested. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:21, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
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- With a bit more reflection, perhaps just deleting & not renaming [D.V. region] cat. - and moving articles to one of 4 existing [DV], [DVNP], [M.D.nat.hist.], & [M.D.human.hist.] cats. is most succinct. Later I or another editor can do a list article [Native plants of the Death Valley region] with plant articles. I've started a list for Sierra Nevada, as some editors strongly disliked [cat:Flora of S.N./cat:Fauna S.N.] in Yosemite-Sequoia-parks etc. cats. or as "see also" link in their articles, and other editors suggested list as peaceable solution with easy reader access. If delete the cat. & move articles is acceptable I'd be glad to figure out what goes where and do it.
- Not certain on wiki-protocol, but if ok could do that soon & 1.) also remove "region tag" & empty cat., or 2.) leave "region tag" for later en-mass removal if approved? Was glad to see 'my' [Cat:Basins in the Great Basin that are endorheic basins or lakes and are in California too] quickly deleted due my posting Approve as cat. creator. Could this be same, also for delete [cat:M.D. Lakes in Calif]? Sorry for more questions.---Thank you---Look2See1 t a l k → 01:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- Let me nominate it for deletion with the note that anything that needs to be categorized in that area is in the right tree, or will be shortly. You can comment at the CfD discussion. This way it is done in the open. With you being the creator, there should be few if any objections. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:16, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for solution with transparency! Will get articles in the right trees over weekend, and comment on CfD page. Please just ask if my cat:Mojave Desert relinks need help. I'm self-banned from any watershed-basin edits/cats. currently, but noticed a large edit on List of Great Basin watersheds, seems maybe a number of endorheic basins went out with the bathwater? ---best---Look2See1 t a l k → 01:45, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- OK, nominated. I'm really buried right now with the HUC cleanup and what is the beginning of a cleanup of the architecture categories. So I can answer a specific question, but not a lot of research. As to List of Great Basin watersheds, that whole area needs work. So I guess the question is where the removals really wrong? I have a feeling that as some others start cleanup, there will be some items removed and later re-added as the dust settles. So maybe just watch and see what happens over time. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for solution with transparency! Will get articles in the right trees over weekend, and comment on CfD page. Please just ask if my cat:Mojave Desert relinks need help. I'm self-banned from any watershed-basin edits/cats. currently, but noticed a large edit on List of Great Basin watersheds, seems maybe a number of endorheic basins went out with the bathwater? ---best---Look2See1 t a l k → 01:45, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Archaic/Woodland period/Mississippian culture/ of North America
- Redundant, unrelated, unnecessary links
- Go read the WP:MoS about overlinking and what not to link. That list of unrelated, redundant links does NOT need to be added to all of those pages. Please revert your self. Keep it up, and I'll ask more experienced editors to comment and we'll see how consensus goes on this issue. Heiro 05:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Also, the LSU campus mounds, are not Mississippian culture, they are from the Archaic period, many THOUSANDS of years earlier. Do not revert my removal of factually incorrect information from that article again. If you dont trust me, follow the links used as cites for the article. Heiro 05:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry Heironymous Rowe-iro - I was going by the information already in the articles when adding the cat. links. It was part of putting Category:Mounds in the United States and the state cats. from Category:Native American history by state on 'semi-orphan' articles for average readers, those not experts in the field-region as you are, to find/come upon these good articles. Ironically, re: your harsh criticism this way, 'Your' articles and wonderful colored maps-diagrams-art for the Gulf to Great Lakes cultures, traditions, groups, and sites inspired the effort (overdone I understand now, with apologies) to facilitate their find-ability. Being unfamiliar with that region's prehistoric legacy, whenever any article opened with one of your 'watercolor' maps I felt gratitude and could sense its place in time period and locale. Was just about to write 'thank you' for them on your talk page on 23rd when the above 2 posted here, so some cool down time, and the appreciation is sincerely shared now.---Best---Look2See1 t a l k → 23:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
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California star editor
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Awarded for your doggedly dedicated yeoman work in organizing California categories. Thanks for rolling up your sleeves and digging in! Binksternet (talk) 17:41, 22 August 2010 (UTC) |
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- Hi Binksternet, Thank you for the California Star, it was (in August) and continually is (by moving down...) very appreciated, and so kind and thoughtful of you.---Best---Look2See1 t a l k → 04:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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Moved List of Sierra Plants into article namespace
The list article looks pretty good! I used the "move" feature in WP to move it to become a real article. Thanks for your efforts on the article!
Let me repeat what I said before: I appreciate the time and energy you spend on WP categorization. I think if you spent the same energy on creating list articles for the same material, then more people would see them and you would end up helping our readers more. Just something to consider.
Thanks again! —hike395 (talk) 16:17, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Hike395, am startled to see your message about my "Sierra plants" draft now an 'out there' wiki-article. I really appreciate your regarding it good enough for that.
- At a lower level of importance: I'm surprised to not be asked first; there were some final collected adds for filling out slim areas; the intro lede was unfinished; the working title was too vague 'for public use' and wanted to discuss with you) options and how to change it; and lastly had some minor corrections to do. I also wanted to learn how to transform/release a draft article into the wiki.world, still have no ? idea. I am unable to find it in Category:Sierra Nevada (U.S.) and sub-cats./park articles and quite confused?
- Please help me with this. Your insights, ideas, and support have been so 'calmingly valuable-meaningful' since the Sierra/plants fracas-learning opportunity first appeared. Again, thank you for considering it good enough for a wikipedia article.---Best---Look2See1 t a l k → 17:00, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry -- I should have asked you first. Articles certainly don't need to be anywhere near finished to be put up as an article: Wikipedia is never finished: people will continue to improve articles through the years. Feel free to keep improving it!
- The article is at List of plants of the Sierra Nevada (U.S.). You can add categories to it like any other article. You can move articles around by clicking on the "Move" tab, and giving it a different name. I just gave it a name that didn't start with "User talk:", and *poof* it became an article. Quite easy. No bureaucracy or anything: anyone can make or move one. —hike395 (talk) 01:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)