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Thanks for video at Smarthistory

Philaf,

Thanks for adding the video at Smarthistory. I added a headerimage and changed the placement. Feel free to revert, but since there is some misinformation on this, I'll explain a bit as well.

1st things first - it took me a while to figure out why a Brit was using a Philadelphia name - but i've got it now! Feel free to join in any Philadelphia projects as a full or honorary member.

There's a GLAM/Smarthistory project at

WP:Smart
. Please do join in. Out of their 500+ videos, we've placed about 250 in articles and I'd guess a couple of hundred more might eventually fit in to articles. When I get back up to full health and eliminate other distractions, I hope to generalize the project to include "all" non-profit (and non-selling - even non-profits try to sell you on something sometimes) museum videos. There must be 1,000s of very good ones (I've already included a couple), and we would have our choice of the very best, that have exceptionally high encyclopedic value. e.g.

External videos
video icon The Frick Collection's Colin Bailey on Giovanni Bellini's St. Francis in the Desert, Frick Collection[1]
video icon Bellini's St. Francis, Smarthistory[2]
  1. ^ "The Frick Collection's Colin Bailey on Giovanni Bellini's St. Francis in the Desert". Frick Collection. 2010. Retrieved February 20, 2013.
  2. ^ "Bellini's St. Francis". Smarthistory at Khan Academy. Retrieved February 20, 2013.

I've been using the external media template in other contexts as well; e.g. from the US non-profit cable public affairs provider

MOOCs
for an example of what would be over-kill in any other article)

There is a question on the proper use and placement of the external media template. The 250 Smarthistory uses have gone up gradually from January and there have been very few objections to the placement I've used - maybe about 5 polite questions, but 2 fairly violent objections - one as foul a comment as I've ever seen on Wikipedia.

The problem seems to be that some folks are just completely against the use of any external links, especially in the body of the article. Turns out that there is no rule against using the external media template - see

WP:EL
, footnote 1. The only restrictions are that - if the content was freely licensed - then you would use it in the same place in the article, e.g. if it was a photo, then you'd place it exactly where it fits best in the article. In respect for the skittishness that some folks have against any external links, I always only do this with non-profit, non-selling sources, and often put the material down low in the article.

Any feedback or help in this project would be appreciated.

Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:22, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I agree about the exceptional encyclopaedic value of the videos, but I think we must be careful not to let them overshadow the article or use them as an excuse for not creating a good article. You can't print a video and we don't control the content when they are not on commons. Generally, however, I support their use. The debate about the use of external videos has, I am glad to say, passed me by. I have joined the project. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I promise not to get carried away. I try to make a point to clean up an article before placing a video there. It should go beyond that in creating articles and actively making major improvements. The possible impermanence of links is certainly an issue with smaller institutions, but with Smarthistory, the National Gallery(s), etc it doesn't seem to be. CC-BY-NC licenses means we we can download and keep the videos for any non-commercial reason (e.g. access by Wikipedia), but we can't upload them to Commons! Maybe send them to archives.org? I also think in terms
WP:notpaper
.
All the best,
Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
As you say, the answer is also to mirror them somewhere else. I don't know if they or anyone else is actively doing that but it would be a wise precaution. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Brighton

Hi Philafrenzy. In the end I was the only one who could make it apart from Katie Chan from WMF, but we had a lengthy and interesting discussion about all sorts of matters to do with WP, Commons and other Wikimedia matters. I think there's scope for more Brighton meetups in the future — there are a few people down this part of the country (in addition to those who put their name down on the list) who may well be interested. All in all, an interesting meeting, and good to meet another experienced Wikipedian in "real life"! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 08:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Glad you had a good day, a bit disappointed more people didn't go (including me). I would have thought it was a good place for a meet-up. Feel free to schedule a second one on Meta if you feel it is justifiable, I won't right now. I think it would need perhaps personal contact from a local organiser to work, and I am not on the spot. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:12, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Pedantry

Have you nothing better to do than make unnecessary edits which add no value? If so, I'm sure I can find you a project of interest to you that would appreciate your efforts. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much! I am sure you are an expert on pedantry... Philafrenzy (talk) 12:45, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. And yes, you're correct! I am indeed an expert on pedantry. How did you know? Pdfpdf (talk) 14:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Because you are being pedantic of course! Philafrenzy (talk) 19:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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I've been busy on other things and I'm just going around my watch list after a few days, and found your addition to the Vasari article.

OK, what you added was fact. But a factual sentence jammed into the middle of a paragraph between two sentences that are linked in meaning acts very much in the same way as writing "Hi! My name is Jimmy!" In fact, it's worse, because the facts that have been added lead the reader off in an entirely different direction, so that the sentence that follows makes little sense or becomes disconnected.

I could just fix it, but I would much rather that you, as the editor, went back to it and rethought the whole paragraph and where the info should be added. It might mean rearranging another sentence or two. It's an important paragraph because it summarises his major legacy.

The problem with this type of editting is that most article "watchers" won't delete a factual edit, even if it is disruptive to the flow of the text. So the problem gets buried under subsequent edits and it's not until a critical editor reads the whole lot that it gets fixed.

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Thanks for this message. I will reply in a similar vein. You don't say specifically to what you object. Including that information helps people to understand your meaning. If it is responsibility for the term Gothic architecture, I would have thought that fitted well where I have added it. Please make any changes you feel necessary and I will review your work to see if it makes sense and suggest changes on your talk page. If you need any help, just ask. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:51, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Order of listing at meta:Template:Meetup list

Hi, re this edit: if you look at the four other than Glasgow 2, you'll see that the next one (Oxford 5, 2 June) is first, and then the others in sequence (London 70, 9 June; Hong Kong 78, 21 June; Manchester 18, 22 June). This order was most recently established with this edit; earlier on the same sequence is seen here. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:33, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Changed it back. I did check with some random earlier versions first. It's not a big deal as far as I am concerned but they do now go in opposite directions in the two halves of the template which seems slightly confusing. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:04, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi, just a reminder (because some people haven't seen the geonotice) that the fifth Oxford Meetup is this Sunday. Are you able to attend? It would be great if you could come. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Bristol Meetup 2

Hi Philafrenzy; did you realise that the number Bristol 2 had already been assigned? See

Wikipedia:Meetup/Bristol 2 and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bristol/Archive 2#Free Event: Jimmy Wales, Founder of Wikipedia, Talks in Bristol. I guess you overlooked it because unlike Bristol 1, it's not recorded in any of the usual lists. --Redrose64 (talk
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Thanks. It doesn't seem like it was a normal meetup so I changed the name of that one to Wikipedia:Meetup/Bristol 13 January 2011 and left the other one unchanged. Not sure if that is strictly correct but it seemed more practical. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:47, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Meetup

Thanks for the invite! Don't think I am going to be able to make it! ·addshore· talk to me! 13:47, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Likewise, thanks for the invite. I will be there. MartinPoulter (talk) 09:02, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Could you add your name to the list Martin? Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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The Encyclopaedia of Postal Authorities

Thanks for the kind words, Phil. It must be regarded as a "finished work" now like an old book, I suppose. It was published in webspace provided by BT but they have withdrawn the facility and it can now only be viewed via the archive site. I've corrected links from the WP cricket pages and I really should do the same on the philately pages although the corresponding set of WP articles – e.g., Compendium of postage stamp issuers (A – Al) – have grown apace and my site is now behind WP. I haven't decided what to do with the site yet as there has been interest in publishing the cricket part in book form, though I've pointed out it's incomplete. It's possible I might buy some domain space and republish on the internet. All the best. ----Jack | talk page 11:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

OK, it's preserved in the archive in the meantime, though they don't seem to have quite captured all the layers. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
AskPhil is the most comprehensive philatelic glossary on the internet and I referenced it in every philately article I worked on, so it should always have been there as an accompaniment to the postal authorities site but I was a bit lax with referencing in my early days, as were most editors. We didn't do inline citations then. AskPhil is currently being reconstructed by the Chicago philatelic society. ----Jack | talk page 10:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but was it a source for those specific articles which are mostly of a fairly specialised nature? Philafrenzy (talk) 10:46, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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Many thanks. Nice workaroud you put together. Ceoil (talk) 23:37, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, tried to make a virtue of a necessity. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:52, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Game designers

Hi there!  :)

I don't know if you have any particular interest in game designers, but in case you do I added a few more at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment#Game design. :) BOZ (talk) 17:34, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, it's not a real interest of mine. I just did that one because it had so many incoming red links, but good luck. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:03, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

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Mansion Tax

Great idea to brighten up the article with a pic, but you have shown a real mansion never likely to come on the market rather than something more representative of a typical transaction. An executive home in Ascot or a terrace in Notting Hill would be more accurate.Tomintoul (talk) 10:19, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Fair point, I will change it shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:21, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
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Cost of moving house in the United Kingdom‎

I deleted a picture of a model house with jokey caption that adds nothing to this article. You have reinstated. Please explain your reasoning.Tomintoul (talk) 11:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

It's a picture of someone moving a house isn't it? With a small joke about the size of the house. Please say where in the
Manual of Style it says you can't do this occasionally. Philafrenzy (talk
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What? Did you just pick something at random from the MOS? That relates to something entirely different. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:16, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

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(1) Is there any other way for me to have communicated with you in response to the message you sent to whomever? Is there a better and preferable one?

In response to your message, I clicked on the link to your user page, but I could not figure out any other — let alone better — way to reach you than this. My first thought was that it was unnecessary for me to communicate with you publicly, in full view of the world, as I am doing now. My second thought was that communicating with you via a publicly viewable page like this might actually be advantageous, if others can be taught by your answers just as I hope to be.


(2) The last part of your message advises:

"If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits, consider creating an account for yourself so you can avoid further irrelevant notices."

I strongly suspect that is the case (though I was not previously aware of this), and I will seriously consider creating an account.

(I do not make a habit or a pastime of editing Wikipedia pages, and there did not seem to me to be any point in creating an account if I were not going to be editing Wikipedia pages regularly. And I certainly do not need to receive any credit for my little contributions!

However, I do correct errors when I come across them, and perhaps it is worth having an account even just for that occasional activity. Plus there is the logistical difficulty that the present matter highlights.)

But I have several additional questions I want to ask anyway.


(3) Your main message read:

"Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at William and Mary. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Administrators have the ability to block users from editing if they repeatedly engage in vandalism. Thank you. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:08, 29 September 2013 (UTC)"

Since I have never even looked at, much less edited, the page "William and Mary," I know that I am not the person to whom your message was directed. However, as it happens, I have edited Wikipedia pages before, and I made several minor edits (all corrections) to one page in particular just a week ago or so. However, I'm not sure that has anything to do with the message I received tonight.

If I understand this matter of shared IP addresses correctly (and perhaps I do not), I received your message a little while ago when I clicked on a link to a Wikipedia page because the IP address I am using today matches the one that someone used however many days ago to edit the Wikipedia entry for "William and Mary" (not the college, but the monarchs for whom the college is named). The fact that I have edited Wikipedia pages before, and the IP address I happened to be using on any such previous occasion, are entirely irrelevant to what happened tonight. All that matters are the IP address I am using tonight and the IP address that God-knows-who used when he/she edited the page "William and Mary."

Is this right? Would I have received your message tonight upon opening a Wikipedia page even if I had never in my life edited a Wikipedia page myself, based solely on the coincidence of IP addresses?


(4) Will any of my own previous edits — made to other pages (not the "William and Mary" page) — be undone? In particular, will the edits I made to a different and unrelated page just over a week ago be undone?

All of the changes I made appear still to be intact. (I just checked.) However, your message does advise me that my edits "have been reverted or removed," and the sentence that says that does not expressly confine itself to the "William and Mary" page. So I want to be sure.


(5) In light of what has happened, is there any way to get your message to the person to whom it actually was directed — the one who made whatever edits to the "William and Mary" page? I suspect not, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

(Since my first name is William, and my late wife's name was Mary, and I wear a "William & Mary" t-shirt in her honor — and since I once had to memorize all the Kings and Queens of England, in order! — I feel a mild personal sense of affront at whatever this other person did.)


(6) Given this phenomenon of shared IP addresses, how can you or Wikipedia enforce your threat "to block users from editing if they repeatedly engage in vandalism"? I suspect anyone determined to vandalize (God knows why!) would make a point of using lots of different IP addresses. Only a stupid vandal would use the same IP address over and over, allowing himself to be detected and caught.

Just curious.


Thank you in advance,

Bill

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Thanks for your comments, the notice was directed at someone sharing your IP address who vandalised the article. As you say, the way to avoid this is to register, I hope you will. Registration lasts indefinitely and requires no personal information to be revealed. Why not adopt the William & Mary page and improve it? It seems far too short. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:03, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY

Announcing WikiProject Open: WikiProject Open kicked off in October, with several brainstorming and co-working sessions

New ways to get involved: Visiting scholar requirements; subject guides; room for library expansion and exploration

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DYK nomination of Iron railing

Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk
) 13:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kathleen Garman

Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk
) 22:23, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Philately template

Can you please use the current philately project assessment template {{

) 13:49, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Where did I use it? Philafrenzy (talk) 14:16, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
If we are talking about Presentation pack, it looks to me like it was you that put it there in the first place! I just moved the page. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:55, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Oops, I think you're correct. Sorry I thought it was you. Keep up the good work you are doing. ww2censor (talk) 20:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Iron railing