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Just letting you know I removed some sections of Holmes Colbert that, when present, made the article look like it was half-complete and abandoned. In general, biographical entries for people of minor notability do not have detailed family histories, and what history they do have takes up only a small portion of the article.

The Colbert's have major notability with the Chickasaw Nation. It is important to have Native American historical detail which is often overlooked and ignored. This information needs to be accessible. Information Systems, like Wikipedia, are no longer constrained by space as printed encyclopedias-- I don't see why this would be a problem. 14:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The issue was it made the article look awkward and it does not match its title. It would be like having an article about Bill Clinton with 1 line saying he was President from 1993-2001, a paragraph about his ancestry and upbringing, and little else. If the content is to be restored, the article needs to be greatly expanded so the most encyclopedic things about this person represent the bulk of the article. On the other hand, if the article were renamed "The Colbert Family (Chickasaw Nation)" then it would be fair to make the bulk of the article about the family rather than the man. However, you would need to establish the

merging this article into Chickasaw#The Colbert Legacy (1800s). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 17:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply

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I created that Chickasaw subsection (Chickasaw#The Colbert Legacy (1800s)) and was expanding it into articles like Colbert Holmes and later Winchester Holmes. The deleted section was intended to be a background of his family relating to the significance to the Chickasaw and the Chickasaw Nation. If there were no Colberts there probably wouldn't be a Chickasaw Nation as it is today. The article is a work-in-progress. As a historian and regular user of Wikipedia I'm well aware of the importance of reliable sources. Creating a Colbert Family article maybe appropriate in this case though which I'll research. Respectively, Rob (talk) 18:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't clear that the article was "in progress" - it looked abandoned. One technique I've seen done, and used myself, is to draft articles in "user space" like

C-class or better yet, B-class. In many cases a clearly-written stub is more valuable than start-class article. A start-class article can leave the reader confused over the relative importance of the various parts of the article, which was my major complaint with the Colbert Holmes article. I look forward to a balanced article, section of another article, or even articles that highlight the importance of this family in history. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 00:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply

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To say that Jessica Biel CLAIMS Choctaw heritage is to say that there is doubt. That makes it seem like she is a liar or her heritage is questioned. There seems to be a standard that people that are of partial heritage are questioned. That's why I say it should be changed from claims to is of. It's more clear and claim means that there is doubt that a situation is not true.Mcelite (talk) 00:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Of course there is doubt. She is yet to prove that she is a member of a state or federally recognized tribe. Also no one is questioning her integrity. Claims (those without state or federally recognized tribal membership) and tribal members are commonly accepted terms for federal government offices and the general public. Read and be enlightened with commonly accepted terms in regards to Native American genealogy: http://www.doi.gov/bia/docs/tracing_Indian_ancestry.pdf, http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/heritage/native-american/ancestor-search.html, http://www.gregathcompany.com/indianancestry.html

Whoops! You are completely right about the date of Will Sampson's death. Thanks for catching my error. Cheers, Uyvsdi (talk) 01:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

• No problem ... we all make errors from time to time. Rob (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is not appropriate to add the same generic content about early Tennessee history to numerous articles on specific city's histories. Please feel free to integrate that content to History of Tennessee (where it most logically belongs) and to add any information specific to those cities to their respective articles. Thanks. Kaldari (talk) 16:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, no problem. Rob (talk) 19:45, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - a GA candidate should not have anything unsourced in it. That is essentially a criteria for a quick-fail. Cirt (talk) 03:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks so much for the barnstar! I felt like a jerk for being so picky with that review. Best of luck with the article! Peace, delldot ∇. 14:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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