Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Russia

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The result was delete. There is clear consensus to not keep this as a stand-alone article. Beyond that, opinion is evenly split between an outright delete and redirecting is somewhere. Normally, I would be inclined to go with the redirect, per

WP:SYNTH. So, I'm going to go with the straight delete here. Anybody can recreate this as a redirect, if they can find a reasonable target to redirect it to (with the understanding, of course, that reasonable can be tricky to define, and might have to be defended at XfD). -- RoySmith (talk) 02:58, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply
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Greater Russia

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Wild original research. There is no such concept in Russian culture. 'Velikorossiya' ? - It is something else. - üser:Altenmann >t 05:09, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Yellow Dingo (talk) 10:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As not enough references to meet
    WP:GNG, and a fair bit of original research which would all need to be removed to keep this article. Omni Flames (talk) 06:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply
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  • Redirect as per Robofish's suggestion below. I had looked for a suitable destination for a redirect but wasn't able to find one. Delete; as above, fails NOR and GNG. Mattlore (talk) 07:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Eurasianism#Greater Russia. This article seems to be entirely original research, but that article has a section on a similar topic which at least is referenced. Robofish (talk) 22:34, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • You failed to notice that this section is exactly same WP:SYNTH. (P.S. and as I checked the authorship, it was actually created in 2009 as merge from this article). There is no Russian movement whose name may be translated as "Greater Russia". You were probably fooled by several references. Yes, there is an idea to restore Russia to the boundary of Russian Empire, but is is not called "Greater Russia". So I am deleting this section just as well. - üser:Altenmann >t 04:43, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep By simply checking Google news [1] and following the sources, one can see that the term is widely used. I do not know about Russian, but it is widely used in English, and only this matters. May be it should be merged with Great Russia or something else, but this is difficult to decide. My very best wishes (talk) 17:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • A cursory review of your link shows that the term "Greater Russia" is used in passing, with no explanation what it actually means. Without reliable sources with scholarly coverage the article will inevitably be original research. If there is no established usage, you even don't know whether the writers speak about the same thing. - üser:Altenmann >t 02:22, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Noi it cannot be merger into Great Russia (Velikorossiya), because, as I said, is a concept completely different from what the current article tries to write up. - üser:Altenmann >t 02:28, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it seems that the term is used in English (but not in Russian!) specifically to distinguish it as a nationalistic concept different from "Great Russia" (see usage in books [2]). Hence the "keep". My very best wishes (talk) 15:09, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And significant coverage (which defines the term at least) would be...? - üser:Altenmann >t 06:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Too much OR and not enough reliable sources. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:57, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or redirect to some appropriate article or section, perhaps Eurasianism or Foreign policy of Vladimir Putin. The term pops up again and again as a description of the geopolitical aims attributed to Putin, as a glance at the Google News results shows (e. g. [3]). Even if it's only a political buzzword rather than any coherent set of ideas, it is a likely search term and should lead to something topically appropriate.  Sandstein  16:29, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect as this is acceptable. SwisterTwister talk 21:15, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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