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Category:Articles about multiple people

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The result of the discussion was: keep for now, please renominate if a concrete renaming proposition emerges. MER-C 09:04, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. If it was properly populated it would contain hundreds of sub-categories - sports teams, families, gangs, lists of people etc. Rathfelder (talk) 22:45, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Objection in search of a problem. – Fayenatic London 06:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I can't see how multiple people would not be defining for duos, trios, quartets etc. By the way, I would not object to renaming the category simply to Category:Multiple people. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:56, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The category serves a valid purpose by grouping together all of those subcategories. It's not the most elegant name, so I'm open to renaming it if a better name can be found. Anomalous+0 (talk) 10:37, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm happy to see it renamed Category:Multiple people. That's less all-embracing. Rathfelder (talk) 11:34, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Dropping the word "Articles" is not helpful, imo. When I said it wasn't "elegant" I was referring to the term "Multiple people", which is rather puzzling, until you look at the contents. Perhaps something along the lines of Category:Specified groups of people, or something to that effect? Anomalous+0 (talk) 14:38, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (or rename, clarify and purge) but possibly, after discussion, create a more precisely defined (and more appropriately named) category instead. Looking at the mix of articles in the category it's clear that there are thousands more articles that would fit (e.g. NASA Astronaut Group 2, The Beatles, Category:Brothers). In fact, many (perhaps most) wp articles mention multiple people - for example an article about a crime such as murder is likely to mention the victim and the perpetrator (with some biographical details of each) - do all such articles belong in this category?
The category may be intended to be for articles that discuss multiple people each of whom may be notable in their own right, but who "for convenience" are covered in a single article. If so, I don't see how that's useful to readers (or editors). It also doesn't conform to normal categorization practices - for example, the Natascha Kampusch article is in this category presumably because it contains biographical details of her kidnapper, if those details (e.g. DoB) were removed from the NK article (either by splitting to an article specifically about the kidnapper or because they are considered excessive detail) then the NK article would no longer belong in the category even though the topic hasn't changed. DexDor (talk) 17:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The main reason for keeping the category is that the subcategories are a more or less coherent collection. Containerizing the category could be an option. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but it should be containerised as far as possible. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:57, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Container category for articles covering more than one topic, and could be split at some point. I have been using it for years. Dimadick (talk) 16:01, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Containerizing would certainly help. But I think the name needs to be clearer if it is not to attract inappropriate stuff. I've added a few more subcategories by number. I'm inclined to think that strategy might help. Articles about a specific number of people seem to fit better than articles about families and amorphous groups. But I'm not sure what I'm going to do about
    The missing 54. Rathfelder (talk) 22:13, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Category:Buildings and structures in Carora

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 21#Category:Buildings and structures in Carora

Category:Buildings and structures in Calabozo

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 21#Category:Buildings and structures in Calabozo

Category:Screenplays by writer

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 16#Category:Screenplays by writer

Category:LFP template with deprecated parameters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:26, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category code removed from Template:LFP at this revision making this category unused and obsolete. Gonnym (talk) 13:46, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Presidential candidates

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to the ALT2 proposal. Timrollpickering (Talk) 08:19, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Several more similar categories
Nominator's rationale: Rename to be consistent and concise. Category:Presidential candidates contains a few countries that have sub-categories by year; IMHO, the sub-cats of Category:United States presidential candidates by year have the best naming format, which I have copied here. – Fayenatic London 11:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose ALT2 I think that the format "Candidates in the YYYY Fooian election" is clearer and more precise, not least because it keeps the title of the election article intact, and just prefixes the election title with "Candidates in the".
So the model to follow is the existing Category:Candidates in the 2018 Czech presidential election, Category:Candidates in the 1979 Nigerian presidential election, etc. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:26, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Here is ALT2
ALT2: rename to "Candidates in the YYYY Fooian election"
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Category:Julio Cortázar

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:45, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:OCEPON --woodensuperman 09:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Hal Clement

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:07, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:OCEPON --woodensuperman 09:52, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Leigh Brackett

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:45, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:OCEPON --woodensuperman 09:51, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Caitlín Kiernan

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:45, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:OCEPON --woodensuperman 08:34, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Robert Bloch

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 23#Category:Robert Bloch

Category:Philip Wylie

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 17#Category:Philip Wylie

Category:David Zindell

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:08, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:OCEPON --woodensuperman 08:06, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Lewis Mumford

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:08, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:OCEPON --woodensuperman 08:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:Donna Haraway

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:08, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:OCEPON --woodensuperman 08:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
]
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Category:William Goldman

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 23#Category:William Goldman

Category:Religion in Switzerland by city

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:09, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete and move Category:Religion in Geneva to Category:Geneva, Category:Religion in Switzerland and Category:Religion in Europe by city. Only Geneva has a full "religion in" category. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mesoamerican historical documents

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:11, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, the Mesoamerican documents are obviously historical, no need to add that in the category name. See also this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:31, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:African motivational speakers

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 18:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary intermediate category. Very few articles about African motivational speakers. Large majority are American. Rathfelder (talk) 08:08, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
<sigh> You've completely ignored what I explained above. As I pointed out, there are 32 other, sister categories that all serve the same function as this one: they all facilitate navigation for readers who are looking for articles about particular occupations in different African countries. Why single out this one? Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:44, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Bridges named after Queen Victoria

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 18:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: following the suggestion by user:Place Clichy, I confirm that the ones named "Victoria" are all listed at Victoria Bridge. On the list page I tried to add a link for the "Queen's Bridge" names, but this was rejected.[1] – Fayenatic London 22:06, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SHAREDNAME
For the vast majority of these bridges, they were namved for either the reigning Queen (or the recently deceased one) with no other connection. At least Queen Victoria was actually at the opening ceremony of the Queen's Bridge in Belfast. Whether articles are in this category because of a shared name or a due to a one-time performance, this category seems non-defining. The main article, Victoria Bridge, is a disambiguation page that could be converted to a more formal list article if anyone is interested. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:39, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly
WP:PERFCAT might apply if the category was "Bridges opened by Queen Victoria". All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 07:43, 10 May 2019 (UTC).[reply
]
Yes, the parent category should also be purged but will still have plenty of actual memorial/statue articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:25, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Facilities named after David Attenborough

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SHAREDNAME
David Attenborough is the prominent host of natural history TV shows on BBC. The only article in this category is a ship, RRS Sir David Attenborough, whose only connection to Sir Attenborough is being named in his honor. This category isn't defining and doesn't aid navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:38, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I take your point that there is only one article so far. I think there would be scope for more pages, as Cambridge University has named the building which houses its Zoology Museum after Sir David.--Thoughtfortheday (talk) 10:06, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Thoughtfortheday: I would actually suggest a list article rather than a category if more examples can be found, whether they have an article yet or not. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I will look for more examples in due course.--Thoughtfortheday (talk) 09:31, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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