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Category:Abkhazian culture

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The result of the discussion was: reverse merge & rename.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Both of these categories cover (at least for me) the same topic Robby (talk) 23:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, the former category might have contained diaspora Abkhazian culture, but that is not actually the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reverse merge and rename, moving the older page Category:Culture of Abkhazia over the newer Category:Abkhazian culture. – Fayenatic London 08:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am neutral to whether apply to suggested merge or the reverse merge (not being a native English speaker) but we should avoid to have two categories for this topic. Robby (talk) 09:43, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with that, reverse merging is also an option. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:30, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Voskepar

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT. One article outside of eponymous. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Museums in Dilijan

Biota of the Amazon rainforest

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 20#Biota of the Amazon rainforest

Category:Nick Carter (literary character)

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: Rename to match main article Nick Carter (character). That page was recently moved without discussion, so the category is not eligible for speedy renaming. – Fayenatic London 21:56, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Comics navigational boxes purge

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: This is a really strange category and I've never seen anything like this before. Honestly, I'm not sure if I even understand what it's supposed to do, but the purpose appears to be listing which templates use navboxes related to comics that aren't in a predefined list. This is done by putting a big switch block with different page names in different navboxes in tons of templates with a list of pages the template is supposed to go on and otherwise it will be put in this category (check out {{The Atom}} or {{Alien/Clear}} for examples). This is confusing and generally a maintenance nightmare since it requires several confusing edits in several places every time the navbox is modified or added to a new page and from what I can tell how this should be used isn't documented anywhere.
I've placed a note at
WT:COMICS so we can get to here from some people editing in the area. I'm happy to clean up this mess if this is deemed unnecessary and if this is something that's actually in use I'm sure I can come up with a less horrible way to do it. --Trialpears (talk) 20:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
I think the intent was to enforce
WP:BIDIRECTIONAL. But there are better tools for that now (i.e {{check completeness of transclusions}}), so Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 03:15, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
You're probably correct, it's just doing the reverse in places because of a missing pipe. I've never heard of that tool before but I like it! --Trialpears (talk) 03:47, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Finnish Jehovah's Witnesses

Category:Finnish Indologists

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 20:24, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

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Category:Latvian Egyptologists

Category:Estonian Baptist missionaries

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 20:10, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

 Comment: long category tree with 1-2 members. I guess that only Category:Estonian missionaries to be retained because there is potential, see et:Kategooria:Eesti_misjonärid--Estopedist1 (talk) 20:13, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Latvian Lutheran hymnwriters

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

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Category:People from Tsav, Armenia

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
WP:SMALLCAT. One or two articles in each. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:36, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Houses in X, Massachusetts

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. User:Namiba 18:32, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Homeland Security Investigations

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale:
Eponymous category for a topic without enough spinoff content to warrant an eponymous category. Looks are deceiving here, because the eponym itself has had to be removed from the category as it's still in draftspace (but it's minimally referenced to primary and unreliable sources, and thus not on track to pass AFC review anytime soon) -- but there's only one other "spinoff" article here, which isn't enough. And since we already have Category:United States Department of Homeland Security, which the one article here is already in alongside this, the investigations department doesn't have a pressing need for its own divisional subcategory with only one or two articles in it. Bearcat (talk) 13:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Requesting permission to continue to add to this draft to further flesh out HSI, its investigative mission, and its components before deletion. The United States Department of Homeland Security category page includes one sub-bullet on HSI. HSI is the 2nd largest investigative agency in the United States. SimpleGov (talk) 01:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you want to expand the article, by all means go ahead. But it is unclear how your request relates to this category discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    My apologies. I misunderstood. So the article isn't being proposed for deletion only the category? SimpleGov (talk) 05:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:11th-century BC Kings of Israel (united monarchy)

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: merge per
WP:SMALLCAT, a total of four kings in two categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Merge per nom and Iskandar323. I have my doubts about the century categories because the dating is uncertain, but that's an issue for a next step. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per detailed nomination.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:02, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lithuanian travel websites

Category:Lithuanian synthpop groups

Category:People associated with David

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: merge per
WP:OCASSOC, we normally do not categorize by unspecified association. SubCategory:Family of David should be manually moved to Category:David though. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:58, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

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Category:Years of the 18th century in the Southern Netherlands

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

(added later)

Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, also these are a few isolated categories after the Austrian Netherlands no longer existed while the Southern Netherlands was annexed by France. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:48, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Further comment, the nomination is not intended to abolish the tree of Category:Southern Netherlands, the purpose is an easier navigation between a slightly larger amount of articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Alfa Romeo aircraft engines

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:09, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. The main article of the category is Alfa Romeo Avio. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of speedy discussion
  • C2D supports the current names of these categories by being unambiguous and having long standing stability (15 years plus).
    WP:CATNAME
    also supports their current titles. Convoluted category names trip up Hotcat and also don't align with their matching navbox templates which have been carefully created to be intuitively added to articles by the aviation project over many years.
By the logic of slavishly following some guideline without using common sense we would expect a move from Category:Kawasaki motorcycles to Category:Kawasaki Heavy Industries Motorcycle & Engine motorcycles? Perhaps that example comes under 'OTHERSTUFFEXISTS'? Baffled to be honest. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 12:29, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Category follows parent language Italian wiki convention Motori aeronautici Alfa Romeo. Follows Commons category (Category:Alfa Romeo aircraft engines). If necessary the manufacturer article link in the engine article infoboxes can be corrected. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 19:00, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose. Company names vary over time, brand names do not. These engines are always categorised - and their articles titled - according to the brand, not by the corporate registration of the moment. Wikipedia needs to respect the real world here, and not go off on some daft head-trip inspired by its belly-button fluff. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:31, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fiat aircraft engines

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:09, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. The main article of the category is Fiat Aviazione. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of speedy discussion
These categories were carefully created to intuitively follow their Commons categories, in other cases the Commons category has been created to follow the Wikipedia:en category where it was created afterwards. This greatly eases category/image navigation and removes multiple error messages where there are mismatches between wiki:en categories, Commons categories and Wikidata entries (dissimilar named categories are placed in a maintenance category, highlighting that there is a mismatch, undesirable and easily avoided). By far the best option is to follow long established convention. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 18:40, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose. Company names vary over time, brand names do not. These engines are always categorised - and their articles titled - according to the brand, not by the corporate registration of the moment. Wikipedia needs to respect the real world here, and not go off on some daft head-trip inspired by its belly-button fluff. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:32, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:General Electric aircraft engines

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:09, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. The main article of the category is
GE Aviation. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
There may be some confusion in these nominations, the prefix is the common name of the company and 'aircraft engines' is merely the plural form of aircraft engine, i.e. the company has not been incorrectly taken to be General Electric Aircraft Engines, the nominator's first language would appear not to be English. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 18:09, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Gnome-Rhône aircraft engines

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:09, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy. The main article of the category is Gnome et Rhône. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of speedy discussion
  • Category:Gnome-Rhône aircraft engines to Category:Gnome et Rhône aircraft engines – C2B: per Gnome et Rhône. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)**[reply]
    • Oppose Clearly not the anglicised common name, where the parent article is used it is piped in most cases to the short and common form. This should not be a speedy nomination Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 09:11, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      This opposed rational should be ignored. Debating the "anglicised common name" should be done at the article level and not on category pages which should match them.Gonnym (talk) 11:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Engines in this category are from three distinct but related companies and are grouped together for convenience, any product before 1915 is not a Gnome et Rhone product as the article and navbox both explain. According to the logic being applied here there should be three parent company articles and three categories for their products, following that route would no doubt result in a proposal to merge the articles and categories to arrive back at the current sensible arrangement that has been in place for many years. No rationale should be ignored in discussions, it could be perceived as belittling editors, particularly experienced ones.Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 05:07, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      @Nimbus: objections on this Speedy page can be overruled where it is clear from precedents that the nomination would gain consensus if taken to a full discussion.
      In this case "Gnome-Rhône" is used for the engine lines; Gnome et Rhône is used for the company except in 3 articles (Gnome-Rhône 14M, SNECMA 14R and Gnome-Rhône Mistral Major). I would have thought using "et" ("and") would be better than the hyphenated form for a category covering 3 companies. But the hyphenated form is used even for the article by a few other-language Wikipedias.[1] Also, this is one of a series of contested nominations. I would therefore not process it as a valid Speedy nomination. – Fayenatic London 11:27, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The speedy discussion is stale, therefore it has been moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:23, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lithuanian snowboarders

Category:Lithuanian sausages

Category:Lithuanian restaurateurs

Category:Lithuanian powerlifters

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 09:03, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

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Category:Lithuanian post-punk music groups

Category:Lithuanian plastic surgeons

Category:Buildings and structures in Malanje